We’re not any closer to sports being back on, are we? Saw a tweet a few days ago that a proposal for getting back to play in baseball was possible for June and July but that felt “overly optimistic.”
posted by friendfromlowryWe’re not any closer to sports being back on, are we? Saw a tweet a few days ago that a proposal for getting back to play in baseball was possible for June and July but that felt “overly optimistic.”
Unless you're talking UFC (tonight) or NASCAR (about 10 days from now?), I'm not sure if anything is planned to start back up in the near future.
On the preseason thread I brought this up.
I wonder if the NFL has a drop dead latest date for a Super Bowl. Lets say it is the last sunday in March. That is 7 weeks after it was originally scheduled.
If they go to just 2 preseason games that essentially means they could push the season 9 weeks. SOme talk of taking away the bye weeks. That would be logistically tougher than originally thought I believe.
posted by thavoiceI wonder if the NFL has a drop dead latest date for a Super Bowl. Lets say it is the last sunday in March. That is 7 weeks after it was originally scheduled.
I'd be tempted to say 2 weeks before March Madness, because you don't want to compete against conference tournaments and then 3 weeks of the tourney.
There's also the fact that teams are going to lose up to $100M if there are no fans. So maybe not quite the appetite to really have a season as we would like to believe. Not sure what contracts (including TV) or the CBA say about a shortened season, or even no season. Less than 14 game regular season could become prohibitively costly.
Otherwise there's not really anything to prevent pushing the SB back 5-6 weeks. Except logistically moving schedules becomes quite difficult, especially the SB with all the related event planning that goes around it. If you go to the extreme, 10 games is the minimum season you need to determine playoff teams, so push the start of the season up to 3 months (6 games, eliminate the bye week, eliminate 2 preseason games, push the SB a month).
posted by gutI'd be tempted to say 2 weeks before March Madness, because you don't want to compete against conference tournaments and then 3 weeks of the tourney.
There's also the fact that teams are going to lose up to $100M if there are no fans. So maybe not quite the appetite to really have a season as we would like to believe. Not sure what contracts (including TV) or the CBA say about a shortened season, or even no season. Less than 14 game regular season could become prohibitively costly.
Otherwise there's not really anything to prevent pushing the SB back 5-6 weeks. Except logistically moving schedules becomes quite difficult, especially the SB with all the related event planning that goes around it. If you go to the extreme, 10 games is the minimum season you need to determine playoff teams, so push the start of the season up to 3 months (6 games, eliminate the bye week, eliminate 2 preseason games, push the SB a month).
I dont think there is much of an issue going at the same time as the conference tournaments. Have the TV conflicts with CBS and such, but in terms of fans and such I dont think the NFL would balk going up against college hoops.
Of course both would hate to have less viewers, but NFL playoffs rule the roost.
I wonder if the season does get shortened if we will see what is going on in MLB. MLBPA is not happy with essentially a salary cap. I wonder if the NFL would just essentially give a pro rated amount of their contracts or what. That would be the easiest route.
posted by gutI'd be tempted to say 2 weeks before March Madness, because you don't want to compete against conference tournaments and then 3 weeks of the tourney.
There's also the fact that teams are going to lose up to $100M if there are no fans. So maybe not quite the appetite to really have a season as we would like to believe. Not sure what contracts (including TV) or the CBA say about a shortened season, or even no season. Less than 14 game regular season could become prohibitively costly.
Otherwise there's not really anything to prevent pushing the SB back 5-6 weeks. Except logistically moving schedules becomes quite difficult, especially the SB with all the related event planning that goes around it. If you go to the extreme, 10 games is the minimum season you need to determine playoff teams, so push the start of the season up to 3 months (6 games, eliminate the bye week, eliminate 2 preseason games, push the SB a month).
Ticket sales are not even close to the primary money maker for these owners. So I strongly disagree they may not have an appetite to play the season without fans in the crowd. They’ll lose so much more money without a season than they will playing a season with no fans.
These owners are losing millions a month by not having anything going on in the domes/stadiums they own.
Yes, ticket sales, parking, concessions etc bring in a ton of revenue, but they are going to jump at the tv rights to have a season. They have to make up some amount for the concerts, motocross, auto shows, etc that have been cancelled. Most stadiums are used like 250+ days a year, and now nothing for months. They need anything they can get.
posted by Laley23These owners are losing millions a month by not having anything going on in the domes/stadiums they own.
Yes, ticket sales, parking, concessions etc bring in a ton of revenue, but they are going to jump at the tv rights to have a season. They have to make up some amount for the concerts, motocross, auto shows, etc that have been cancelled. Most stadiums are used like 250+ days a year, and now nothing for months. They need anything they can get.
WHen you say most stadiums, you surely cannot say that NFL/MLB stadiums are used that often.
NFL had 16.7 million fans at games last year. Multiply that by ticket prices, concessions, parking, etc and that is one helluva alot of money.
2018 shows gate receipts were 15% of revenue. Now, I dont know if that is concessions as well.
2010 it was 21.5%
MLB is taking a huge hit here. Last year over 68 million attended and they state that MLB teams earn 40% of their earnings by fans in attendance. Now taht does include in stadium advertising and such.
posted by SportsAndLadyTicket sales are not even close to the primary money maker for these owners. So I strongly disagree they may not have an appetite to play the season without fans in the crowd. They’ll lose so much more money without a season than they will playing a season with no fans.
As usual you're wrong. TV accounts for only about half the revenues, on average. Stadium revenues are about 35-40%. The remainder is licensing fees. In 2018, GB reported $455M in revenues and a profit between $30-$50M (excluding one-time extraordinary expenses).
They lose a lot less money if they cancel the season and don't pay players. It depends, again, on how the CBA and contracts are worded. But we can say with 100% certainty teams will lose tens of millions playing without fans. GB in 2018 made $200M in local revenues that goes to virtually
posted by gutAs usual you're wrong. TV accounts for only about half the revenues, on average. Stadium revenues are about 35-40%. The remainder is licensing fees. In 2018, GB reported $455M in revenues and a profit between $30-$50M (excluding one-time extraordinary expenses).
They lose a lot less money if they cancel the season and don't pay players. It depends, again, on how the CBA and contracts are worded. But we can say with 100% certainty teams will lose tens of millions playing without fans. GB in 2018 made $200M in local revenues that goes to virtually
You’re an idiot. You’re wrong. You’re a dumbass. As usual you’re incorrect. We disagree. Your brain is the size of a peanut. Kill yourself.
^thats how you respond when someone even respectfully disagrees with you lol you’ve gotta be the most miserable human being to be around IRL.
And I don’t know what to tell you if you believe owners aren’t motivated to play the season because they would lose less money. I mean I can’t even dignify that with a response.
posted by Laley23These owners are losing millions a month by not having anything going on in the domes/stadiums they own.
Yes, ticket sales, parking, concessions etc bring in a ton of revenue, but they are going to jump at the tv rights to have a season. They have to make up some amount for the concerts, motocross, auto shows, etc that have been cancelled. Most stadiums are used like 250+ days a year, and now nothing for months. They need anything they can get.
Without fans, the owners are going to lose money to play the games. Salary cap is tied to previous year revenues, so a big ugly negotiation looms - the players get like 50-53% of revenues, or whatever the new split is. Cap has already been estimated to drop as much as $70-$80M next year.
Can't answer this question without knowing what all the different contracts say. But normally you don't pay for an event that isn't held. The owners most likely would lose more money to play the games then not playing the games. A shorter season will cost them even more money because of lost tv revenues.
posted by SportsAndLadyAnd I don’t know what to tell you if you believe owners aren’t motivated to play the season because they would lose less money. I mean I can’t even dignify that with a response.
We're talking the same owners who would lock-out players over a few points in revenue sharing. You can do that math - over a 10-yr CBA it's in the ballpark of what they stand to lose this year with no butts in seats.
The average owner is going to lose about $100M in stadium revenues. You're talking $70-$80M in losses. Even billionaires don't usually have that kind of cash on hand. Some of the owners, like the Rooney's, have most of their wealth in the team. So they'll need a loan or bailout because it's unlikely any of them want to sell a piece of the team, if that's even feasible given timing.
So GB gets @ $15M per game from tv. So let's play a 12 game season you say. Well, now instead of losing $70M they're losing $130M. And then the potential to cancel the season becomes much greater.
posted by SportsAndLadyYou’re an idiot. You’re wrong. You’re a dumbass. As usual you’re incorrect. We disagree. Your brain is the size of a peanut. Kill yourself.
^thats how you respond when someone even respectfully disagrees with you lol you’ve gotta be the most miserable human being to be around IRL.
As usual, you responded to me with your typical smug ignorance and received an appropriate response.
Stop acting like a dick, start being less stupid, and maybe people will start treating you more respectfully.
posted by gutAs usual, you responded to me with your typical smug ignorance and received an appropriate response.
Stop acting like a dick, start being less stupid, and maybe people will start treating you more respectfully.
You are a sad, sad man.
You HAVE to have a very small cock to respond this way all the time.
I just went outside to pee. Peak distance was 7 ft 9 inches. Not sure if that’ll compete well in this contest.
posted by SportsAndLadyYou’re an idiot. You’re wrong. You’re a dumbass. As usual you’re incorrect. We disagree. Your brain is the size of a peanut. Kill yourself.
^thats how you respond when someone even respectfully disagrees with you lol you’ve gotta be the most miserable human being to be around IRL.
The irony of the above post, followed by the post below.
posted by SportsAndLadyYou are a sad, sad man.
You HAVE to have a very small cock to respond this way all the time.
posted by like_thatThe irony of the above post, followed by the post below.
posted by SportsAndLadyYou are a sad, sad man.
You HAVE to have a very small cock to respond this way all the time.
Lol, aww you’re jimmies a bit rustled because I called you out on the other thread. Ya hate to see it.
posted by SportsAndLadyLol, aww you’re jimmies a bit rustled because I called you out on the other thread. Ya hate to see it.
The guy who let quaker and cc break his brain leading him to cry and leave this site for over a year is talking about jimmies rustled. More irony. Do you actually have anything of substance to dispute gut or are you going to be a typical crybaby bitch and avoid an actual valid point (per usual) by talking about gut's cock? I think gut can be smug and we have gone H2H, but he is clearly running laps around you. You should stick to trolling quaker and cc.
Cue S&L's response with no substance and nothing to back up anything he says. Typical crybaby bitch behavior.
posted by gutAs usual, you responded to me with your typical smug ignorance and received an appropriate response.
Stop acting like a dick, start being less stupid, and maybe people will start treating you more respectfully.
To illicit a legitimate and cohesive response from sportslady it would behoove you to request something other than that because that is the only way he is capable of acting on the OC.
He has to be a real treat to hang out with.
posted by Ironman92I just went outside to pee. Peak distance was 7 ft 9 inches. Not sure if that’ll compete well in this contest.
That is impressive for someone who squats to pee.
Joking, of course. Hell I went to mow the yard, I mean, i got busy working from home and come in to the fireworks. Glad to see SL showing his true colors, once again.
posted by like_thatThe guy who let quaker and cc break his brain leading him to cry and leave this site for over a year is talking about jimmies rustled. More irony. Do you actually have anything of substance to dispute gut or are you going to be a typical crybaby bitch and avoid an actual valid point (per usual) by talking about gut's cock? I think gut can be smug and we have gone H2H, but he is clearly running laps around you. You should stick to trolling quaker and cc.
Cue S&L's response with no substance and nothing to back up anything he says. Typical crybaby bitch behavior.
I lol’d and my wife is wondering what I’m liking at on my phone
posted by like_thatThe guy who let quaker and cc break his brain leading him to cry and leave this site for over a year is talking about jimmies rustled. More irony. Do you actually have anything of substance to dispute gut or are you going to be a typical crybaby bitch and avoid an actual valid point (per usual) by talking about gut's cock? I think gut can be smug and we have gone H2H, but he is clearly running laps around you. You should stick to trolling quaker and cc.
Cue S&L's response with no substance and nothing to back up anything he says. Typical crybaby bitch behavior.
Lol wow, did I strike a nerve?
posted by SportsAndLadyLol wow, did I strike a nerve?
Typical S&L. Uses fake tough guy internet act to make a bullish claim, someone challenges his comment, he responds likes a crybaby bitch instead of addressing the challenge, he then gets called out on it, and then comes in with the "lol got your jimmies rustled" response. Rinse and repeat. We didn't miss much for the past 18 months that's for sure.
posted by gutWe're talking the same owners who would lock-out players over a few points in revenue sharing. You can do that math - over a 10-yr CBA it's in the ballpark of what they stand to lose this year with no butts in seats.
The average owner is going to lose about $100M in stadium revenues. You're talking $70-$80M in losses. Even billionaires don't usually have that kind of cash on hand. Some of the owners, like the Rooney's, have most of their wealth in the team. So they'll need a loan or bailout because it's unlikely any of them want to sell a piece of the team, if that's even feasible given timing.
So GB gets @ $15M per game from tv. So let's play a 12 game season you say. Well, now instead of losing $70M they're losing $130M. And then the potential to cancel the season becomes much greater.
Are you assuming that players would get full pay for a shortened season?