My impression is this WR and TE (and some of the RB as above average in the passing game) group will make Taylor look really good.

posted by Verbal Kint

My impression is this WR and TE (and some of the RB as above average in the passing game) group will make Taylor look really good.

It should. These are the best weapons he's ever had around him.

posted by BR1986FB

It should. These are the best weapons he's ever had around him.

Have the Browns had better skilled players since '89?

posted by Verbal Kint

Have the Browns had better skilled players since '89?

2007

posted by Commander of Awesome

2007

Agreed. Perfect storm. K2 & Braylon had their only really good years. Joe J was solid and Jamal Lewis found lightning in a bottle for that last year. None of them performed close to that again, I believe.

posted by BR1986FB

Agreed. Perfect storm. K2 & Braylon had their only really good years. Joe J was solid and Jamal Lewis found lightning in a bottle for that last year. None of them performed close to that again, I believe.

Plus Joe GOAThomas and an OC worth a shit.

I'll back track a little on my "best weapons" comment. It sounds like some of the weapons Tyrod had (Watkins/Woods) in Buffalo went on to find better success without him once they left so I'll keep my enthusiasm somewhat tempered. Yes, Tyrod is better that what the Browns have had but, fact of the matter is that, he's a pretty pedestrian QB (2800 yards, 14 TD's, 4 INT'S and got benched for Nathan Peterman while the team was in playoff contention). He's not going to turn the ball over a ton but he's also not going to put the team on his back and win games.

posted by BR1986FB

I'll back track a little on my "best weapons" comment. It sounds like some of the weapons Tyrod had (Watkins/Woods) in Buffalo went on to find better success without him once they left so I'll keep my enthusiasm somewhat tempered. Yes, Tyrod is better that what the Browns have had but, fact of the matter is that, he's a pretty pedestrian QB (2800 yards, 14 TD's, 4 INT'S and got benched for Nathan Peterman while the team was in playoff contention). He's not going to turn the ball over a ton but he's also not going to put the team on his back and win games.

The pederson benching was a joke. It literally lasted for 3 quarters. 

posted by SportsAndLady

The pederson benching was a joke. It literally lasted for 3 quarters. 

Understood but Tyrod is more serviceable than he is good. He'll be a decent bridge to get to Mayfield but I'm not expecting him to morph into this top 10 QB (not that anyone here has implied that) because he has a few more good weapons. He is what he is...a journeyman. He was the Browns third choice behind Alex Smith & Nick Foles. Once they couldn't get one of those guys they opted for TT.

posted by BR1986FB

Understood but Tyrod is more serviceable than he is good. He'll be a decent bridge to get to Mayfield but I'm not expecting him to morph into this top 10 QB (not that anyone here has implied that) because he has a few more good weapons. He is what he is...a journeyman. He was the Browns third choice behind Alex Smith & Nick Foles. Once they couldn't get one of those guys they opted for TT.

I don’t Really think anyone is arguing that with you? 

No one has claimed TT is anything other than a decent, game-managing QB. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I don’t Really think anyone is arguing that with you? 

No one has claimed TT is anything other than a decent, game-managing QB. 

I was back tracking on my earlier comment replying to Verbal Kint's comment about the weapons making TT look "really good." I haven't watched tape on TT but my understanding of him is that he did miss a lot of wide open receivers last year and there's a belief he's not confident in letting it rip and throwing the deep ball. Perhaps part of the reason he limits turnovers? Doesn't take chances.

Look at it this way. Taylor (no turnovers) on last year’s team results in how many wins? 4? 5? More or less? I don’t know, but Kizers turnovers cost them a TON in close games, even some that ended up multiple score losses were winnable at the time. 

This year’s team should be even better, but the schedule, on paper, is tougher. So, maybe the same number of wins they could’ve (should’ve) had last year?

posted by Laley23

Look at it this way. Taylor (no turnovers) on last year’s team results in how many wins? 4? 5? More or less? I don’t know, but Kizers turnovers cost them a TON in close games, even some that ended up multiple score losses were winnable at the time. 

This year’s team should be even better, but the schedule, on paper, is tougher. So, maybe the same number of wins they could’ve (should’ve) had last year?

The last part makes sense but we have to account for the Hue Factor. I'm sure he'll take some winnable games and piss them away.

Hue should be good for snapping defeat from the jaws of victory in least 2 games next season.

https://twitter.com/OrangeisOranger/status/1011246495595728901

SCOOP: The Orange is Oranger has learned that the Browns will submit an offer on Western Michigan’s CB Sam Beal in the NFL Supplemental Draft. Not sure the round but it will be a high pick.

“Draft Stock

Beal ended up with an 86 grade on my grading scale, which is a borderline first-round prospect. Had he stayed and entered the 2019 NFL draft, his grade would have been tied for the second-highest grade of the cornerbacks that I’ve watched so far. Needless to say, he’s a very talented prospect with a lot of potential. NFL teams should definitely consider using a second-round pick outside of the top 40 picks on him, but it all comes down to how confident they are in using that high of a pick on a supplemental prospect. Expect Beal to be drafted very late in Round 2 or very early in Round 3.”

posted by Commander of Awesome

https://twitter.com/OrangeisOranger/status/1011246495595728901

SCOOP: The Orange is Oranger has learned that the Browns will submit an offer on Western Michigan’s CB Sam Beal in the NFL Supplemental Draft. Not sure the round but it will be a high pick.

“Draft Stock

Beal ended up with an 86 grade on my grading scale, which is a borderline first-round prospect. Had he stayed and entered the 2019 NFL draft, his grade would have been tied for the second-highest grade of the cornerbacks that I’ve watched so far. Needless to say, he’s a very talented prospect with a lot of potential. NFL teams should definitely consider using a second-round pick outside of the top 40 picks on him, but it all comes down to how confident they are in using that high of a pick on a supplemental prospect. Expect Beal to be drafted very late in Round 2 or very early in Round 3.”

I would love to get Beal to play on the other side of ward. Beal is a stud

So we would probably put up a 3rd round pick knowing it would be early in the 3rd round?

Training camp is a little under 3 weeks away...

UDFA's to watch?

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Browns247-staff-predicts-undrafted-free-agents-to-watch-in-Cleveland-Browns-training-camp-119616254/?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=180706_104133_Cleveland%20Browns&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=23-82-89-46-EB-EA-D9-D5-6F-7B-1B-2C-2B-3A-51-D9180706_104133ClevelandBrowns

Landry: "Josh Gordon is unstoppable"

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Jarvis-Landry-Josh-Gordon-is-unstoppable-for-the-Cleveland-Browns-119612875/?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=180706_104133_Cleveland%20Browns&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=23-82-89-46-EB-EA-D9-D5-6F-7B-1B-2C-2B-3A-51-D9180706_104133ClevelandBrowns

Landry on Tyrod Taylor...

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Jarvis-Landry-Tyrod-Taylor-has-looked-amazing-for-the-Cleveland-Browns--119613523/?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=180706_104133_Cleveland%20Browns&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=23-82-89-46-EB-EA-D9-D5-6F-7B-1B-2C-2B-3A-51-D9180706_104133ClevelandBrowns

I can't believe training camp is only 3 weeks away.  

As for Gordon, I hope Landry is right.  If Gordon is back to this ridiculous form, it would be one of the better redemption stories the NFL has seen in the last decade. If it does happen, I hope the posters who were on the "WE NEED TO TRADE HIM!!!" bandwagon (you know who you are) admit they were wrong. 

posted by like_that

I can't believe training camp is only 3 weeks away.  

As for Gordon, I hope Landry is right.  If Gordon is back to this ridiculous form, it would be one of the better redemption stories the NFL has seen in the last decade. If it does happen, I hope the posters who were on the "WE NEED TO TRADE HIM!!!" bandwagon (you know who you are) admit they were wrong. 

Whether Gordon balls out, or not, the "we need to trade him guys" weren't really wrong. For godsakes, the guy hasn't given production worth a piss in FIVE years. You'll have to pardon those who wanted to move on from his unreliable ass.

I know this has been mentioned but the supplemental draft is Wednesday..

https://www.themaven.net/nfldraftscout/news/bills-browns-could-land-cb-beal-in-supplemental-draft-vRnzsFkJ90a4hdtzv8rpXw/

Also found this interesting..

https://www.themaven.net/nfldraftscout/browns/ufc-legend-liddell-mixes-it-up-with-browns-DpTETYIxaUm4Ix-05B3NzQ/

posted by BR1986FB

Whether Gordon balls out, or not, the "we need to trade him guys" weren't really wrong. For godsakes, the guy hasn't given production worth a piss in FIVE years. You'll have to pardon those who wanted to move on from his unreliable ass.

 

I know this has been mentioned but the supplemental draft is Wednesday..

https://www.themaven.net/nfldraftscout/news/bills-browns-could-land-cb-beal-in-supplemental-draft-vRnzsFkJ90a4hdtzv8rpXw/

 

Also found this interesting..

https://www.themaven.net/nfldraftscout/browns/ufc-legend-liddell-mixes-it-up-with-browns-DpTETYIxaUm4Ix-05B3NzQ/

If he balls out, everyone who wanted him traded is easily wrong. Nobody was going to give anything but a 5-7th pick for Gordon.  Meanwhile the Browns had all the leverage on his contract.  He is a RFA after this season.  The Browns had nothing to gain from trading away a guy that could potentially provide a spark for a 5-7th rd pick that most likely wouldn't even be on the roster in a couple years.  Give me the potential of Gordon breaking out again vs somebody that would have no real impact.

Supplemental Draft is today, wouldn't mind Browns throwing an offer in on that CB.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Supplemental Draft is today, wouldn't mind Browns throwing an offer in on that CB.

I’d put in a 3rd for Beal. I think he would be a crazy good number 2 corner next to ward 

If they grab Beal, the back end of that defense could be pretty good. I saw an article where one of the guys they added in FA (think it was TJ Carrie, could be wrong) was disappointed or felt like he was duped when they chose Denzel Ward in the draft.

posted by BR1986FB

If they grab Beal, the back end of that defense could be pretty good. I saw an article where one of the guys they added in FA (think it was TJ Carrie, could be wrong) was disappointed or felt like he was duped when they chose Denzel Ward in the draft.

Well boohoo Carrie.