posted by BR1986FB

there isn't a bunch differentiating these top 3 QB's (Mayfield, Rosen & Darnold). In the latest one I saw, it had Josh Allen going #2 to the NYG's and the Browns taking Mayfield at 4, followed by Darnold to the Donks & Rosen to the Jets.

I don't agree with the RB at #1 but I guess I could live with it if they got their QB in FA. If that were to happen, I'd prefer a combo of Fitzpatrick/Chubb to bolster the defense if Chubb were to fall at 4. I know, #1 is too high for Fitzpatrick.

I think there will end up being a large differentiation in those 3 qbs for an organization. I don't think anyone in top 4 just goes into the draft not giving a shit which one they get. Clearly there is a favorite, and that one should be drafted at 1 (unless they think that is Allen). The analyst I follow the most, in his top 50 he has 3 qbs top 11 in the order of Darnold/ Mayfield/ Rosen

I think the 2nd tier of running backs after Barkley are good enough to take in the 2nd round without wasting a huge pick on RB in the first.

posted by like_that

Drafting a RB #1 overall is a fireable offense. 

100% agree.

posted by BR1986FB

and there isn't a bunch differentiating these top 3 QB's (Mayfield, Rosen & Darnold). I

Respectfully disagree. They all have their differentiations:

Height

Attitude

Accurracy

posted by Verbal Kint

Respectfully disagree. They all have their differentiations:

Height

Attitude

Accurracy

Rosen & Darnold win on height, Darnold also wins on attitude, Mayfield EASILY wins on accuracy. Rosen & Mayfield could get dinged on attitude although I've heard Mayfield is a gym rat who will sleep at the facility if that's what it takes to win. Have also heard that Mayfield may be the most pro ready, even better than Rosen. Also like the fact that Mayfield's done some research on the organization and knows the ramifications (hero status) and the challenge of turning the organization around.

If they have to take a QB at #1, Mayfield's my guy. Only thing that scares me about him is his height. Turnovers scare me with Darnold and Rosen isn't even on my radar. That dude is Ryan Leaf waiting to happen.

Let’s at least wait until these guys work out for pro teams. All we have now is college footage and it’s tough to see how that success will carry over to the pros. 

I really want Bradley Chubb on the Browns. Taking a QB at 1 allows for that possibility to happen with him falling to 4. Please don’t take a RB at 1.

posted by Laley23

I really want Bradley Chubb on the Browns. Taking a QB at 1 allows for that possibility to happen with him falling to 4. Please don’t take a RB at 1.

I want him too but almost every mock I've seen has him going to the Colts at 3. Obviously, mocks are speculation but I'm not sure he'll make it to 4. Pairing him with Garrett would only help accelerate both their production.

Here’s an interesting scenario.. let’s say the browns do sign cousins. Could you imagine the absolute haul trading out of #1 will bring? Everyone would be trying to jump ahead of The Giants to grab a QB. I could see the colts or even the broncos giving up a lot to get to that spot. Meanwhile being able to drop back to 3 or 5 while still being able to more than likely Chubb and Fitzpatrick meanwhile acquiring a shit ton of high draft picks.

posted by Crimson streak

Here’s an interesting scenario.. let’s say the browns do sign cousins. Could you imagine the absolute haul trading out of #1 will bring? Everyone would be trying to jump ahead of The Giants to grab a QB. I could see the colts or even the broncos giving up a lot to get to that spot. Meanwhile being able to drop back to 3 or 5 while still being able to more than likely Chubb and Fitzpatrick meanwhile acquiring a shit ton of high draft picks.

Yeah but then you're stuck with Kirk Cousins and his $50M a yr salary.

posted by BR1986FB

I want him too but almost every mock I've seen has him going to the Colts at 3. Obviously, mocks are speculation but I'm not sure he'll make it to 4. Pairing him with Garrett would only help accelerate both their production.

Most Colts insiders have them targeting Barkley, if available.

posted by Crimson streak

Here’s an interesting scenario.. let’s say the browns do sign cousins. Could you imagine the absolute haul trading out of #1 will bring? Everyone would be trying to jump ahead of The Giants to grab a QB. I could see the colts or even the broncos giving up a lot to get to that spot. Meanwhile being able to drop back to 3 or 5 while still being able to more than likely Chubb and Fitzpatrick meanwhile acquiring a shit ton of high draft picks.

If the Jets are truly willing to pay him top dollar then I I think it's safe to say Kirk coming to Cleveland is a pipe dream.  If everyone can pay the same amount, there is no reason for Kirk to come to Cleveland. 

posted by like_that

If the Jets are truly willing to pay him top dollar then I I think it's safe to say Kirk coming to Cleveland is a pipe dream.  If everyone can pay the same amount, there is no reason for Kirk to come to Cleveland. 

Really? Because regardless of their record last year, I don't see the Jets as a much better situation than the Browns.

Interesting timing because 92.3 just had Mike Mayock on and they were discussing the QB's in this draft. First off, he's far from thrilled with it and said there's not a QB even close to Wentz in this draft. Said if he had to "pick his poison" he guessed he'd go with Darnold. Also mentioned Darnold's turnover/fumbling issues go all the way back to high school. I don't see that improving against better/faster competiton in the NFL.

The one QB he was very intrigued with was Lamar Jackson. Not as an early choice. Was comparing him to a bigger Mike Vick except he makes 3-4 "wtf" throws a game.

The scenario of Cousins-Jarvis Landry-Barkley (at #1)-Fitzpatrick (#4) along with rest of FA and the draft was brought up and Mayock said that if that were to happen, they'd be "immediately competitve" and "competing for the division."

posted by BR1986FB

Really? Because regardless of their record last year, I don't see the Jets as a much better situation than the Browns.

Interesting timing because 92.3 just had Mike Mayock on and they were discussing the QB's in this draft. First off, he's far from thrilled with it and said there's not a QB even close to Wentz in this draft. Said if he had to "pick his poison" he guessed he'd go with Darnold. Also mentioned Darnold's turnover/fumbling issues go all the way back to high school. I don't see that improving against better/faster competiton in the NFL.

The one QB he was very intrigued with was Lamar Jackson. Not as an early choice. Was comparing him to a bigger Mike Vick except he makes 3-4 "wtf" throws a game.

The scenario of Cousins-Jarvis Landry-Barkley (at #1)-Fitzpatrick (#4) along with rest of FA and the draft was brought up and Mayock said that if that were to happen, they'd be "immediately competitve" and "competing for the division."

“There’s no Wentz in this draft” just like people said “there’s no Winston in this draft”—then Wentz happened. 

I don’t really give a shit what mike mayock says, there’s going to be a big time QB in this draft. Browns need to do their homework and find out who that is. 

posted by BR1986FB

The scenario of Cousins-Jarvis Landry-Barkley (at #1)-Fitzpatrick (#4) along with rest of FA and the draft was brought up and Mayock said that if that were to happen, they'd be "immediately competitve" and "competing for the division."

Landry was tagged tonight so that's out for now.

posted by SportsAndLady

“There’s no Wentz in this draft” just like people said “there’s no Winston in this draft”—then Wentz happened. 

I don’t really give a shit what mike mayock says, there’s going to be a big time QB in this draft. Browns need to do their homework and find out who that is. 

Yeah, that might hold water had Mayock not been the one beating the drum for Wentz as not only the #1 QB, but the #1 player/athlete in that draft. He's not even sure any of these QB's would be in the top 10 PLAYERS in this draft.

And the "there's no Winston in this draft" comment is kinda dumb since he sucks and wasn't even the best QB in his draft.

posted by BR1986FB

Yeah, that might hold water had Mayock not been the one beating the drum for Wentz as not only the #1 QB, but the #1 player/athlete in that draft. He's not even sure any of these QB's would be in the top 10 PLAYERS in this draft.

And the "there's no Winston in this draft" comment is kinda dumb since he sucks and wasn't even the best QB in his draft.

My point was everyone said that before the went draft. Everyone always says there isn’t a great qb in the draft before the draft. And there’s always a great one. 

posted by SportsAndLady

My point was everyone said that before the went draft. Everyone always says there isn’t a great qb in the draft before the draft. And there’s always a great one. 

Yeah, and my point was that Mayock (not everyone) said there was a great QB in that draft (Wentz) and there was one. Now he's saying these guys all have significant holes in their game (Darnold= turnovers, Rose= desire/does he love the game, Mayfield = height, Allen= unknown, etc, etc). I know they need a QB and would have to pull the trigger at some point but I don't like any of these guys, outside of Mayfield. That's why I've been on the Cousins bandwagon but if the Jets pony up $60M guaranteed in the first year, forget it.

posted by SportsAndLady

My point was everyone said that before the went draft. Everyone always says there isn’t a great qb in the draft before the draft. And there’s always a great one. 

Pretty much this.  In fact the wentz/goff draft the consensus was it wasn't a strong QB class and the majority (not mayock) had Goff as the consensus #1.  Both have turned out to be great picks, but at the time the consensus was the assets traded for both prospects was not worth the value.  Btw, here is mayock's rankings of the 2014 QBs.

Quarterback 
1. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M 
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida 
3. Derek Carr, Fresno State 
4. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 
T-5. Zach Mettenberger, LSU 
T-5. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville

He also thought Geno Smith was a first round talent,  RGIII was a 1st overall talent (he had him 2nd only because of luck),  Weeden a HIGH 2nd round talent (better prospect than cousins),  and he had Blaine Gabbert PLUS Jake Locker ranked ahead of Cam Newton.

Mayock might have called it for the 2016 draft, but that doesn't mean what he says is even close to always being spot on.  On paper, this QB class has more depth than previous classes. I think there are a couple franchise QBs in this draft.  The browns just have to make the right pick. 

posted by like_that

Pretty much this.  In fact the wentz/goff draft the consensus was it wasn't a strong QB class and the majority (not mayock) had Goff as the consensus #1.  Both have turned out to be great picks, but at the time the consensus was the assets traded for both prospects was not worth the value.  Btw, here is mayock's rankings of the 2014 QBs.

Quarterback 
1. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M 
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida 
3. Derek Carr, Fresno State 
4. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 
T-5. Zach Mettenberger, LSU 
T-5. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville

He also thought Geno Smith was a first round talent,  RGIII was a 1st overall talent (he had him 2nd only because of luck),  Weeden a HIGH 2nd round talent (better prospect than cousins),  and he had Blaine Gabbert PLUS Jake Locker ranked ahead of Cam Newton.

Mayock might have called it for the 2016 draft, but that doesn't mean what he says is even close to always being spot on.  On paper, this QB class has more depth than previous classes. I think there are a couple franchise QBs in this draft.  The browns just have to make the right pick. 

Exactly. He called the Wentz prediction, which was a good call. He’s had some other good calls. He’s also had some bad ones. Everyone has good and bad calls. The fact that he’s saying this isn’t a good QB draft means jack shit to me. We haven’t even seen any workouts. Let’s pump the breaks on the hot takes. 

posted by BR1986FB

Yeah, and my point was that Mayock (not everyone) said there was a great QB in that draft (Wentz) and there was one. Now he's saying these guys all have significant holes in their game (Darnold= turnovers, Rose= desire/does he love the game, Mayfield = height, Allen= unknown, etc, etc). I know they need a QB and would have to pull the trigger at some point but I don't like any of these guys, outside of Mayfield. That's why I've been on the Cousins bandwagon but if the Jets pony up $60M guaranteed in the first year, forget it.

You realize every elite QB had at least one issue in college? Stafford had a 58% completion % at Georgia, roethlisberger played poorly against top competition at Miami, etc. 

You can’t predict this shit man. It’s a fucking guess. Mayock was right on Wentz, he was wrong on Manziel. Every QB prospect has positives and negatives coming into the draft.  Rarely, if ever, are there zero good QBs in a draft. This one will be no different. 

Good god....if you want some laughs, go over to 92.3's podcast of Carman & Lima's interview with Evan Silva of Rotoworld yesterday. Silva is a Sashi Brown apologist and hates Hue Jackson.

Silva, when talking about the Browns defense called Larry Ogunjobi "untouchable" and "the next Ndamukong Suh."

He said Hue Jackson was worse at coaching than a pee wee coach and that Sashi Brown botching the AJ McCarron trade "Not only saved the Browns....it saved football!" as in football would no longer exist if this trade went through.

Funny shit.

Ogunjobi had an okay rookie year but the next Suh? Come on lol 

Evan Silva sucks 

posted by friendfromlowry

Evan Silva sucks 

He sounded like a little kid. Also sounds like he gets all of his football "knowledge" from Football Insiders and PFF and just regurgitates it..

posted by SportsAndLady

Ogunjobi had an okay rookie year but the next Suh? Come on lol 

I agree. I thought he was actually good, and a player to build off of, but not the ""game wrecker" Silva referred to him as.