posted by Laley23

Foles to Browns lol

They've already started beating the "how much would you give up for Foles" drum on the local stations. smh

posted by Commander of Awesome

Rosen, Mayfield & Darnold are all top end QB prospects. As good as Winston (as a prospect) IMO. If Mayfield were 2 in taller, he'd be the run away #1 pick IMO.

He's not, and there's no way he is regardless.

posted by vball10set

He's not, and there's no way he is regardless.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't be so sure of that. This new front office guy (McCloughan) they hired yesterday absolutely loves Mayfield.

If he were 2" taller, he'd be a no brainer. I get it...he's not, which is a huge concern. It's not like using a 3rd rounder on a Russell Wilson and hoping he turns into Russell Wilson/Drew Brees. It's the top pick int he draft, which is scary as Hell.

Thinking about #4 pick, would you consider moving back from #4 for both of Buffalo's 1st Round picks? Buffalo owns #21 & #22.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Thinking about #4 pick, would you consider moving back from #4 for both of Buffalo's 1st Round picks? Buffalo owns #21 & #22.

Have heard a few conversations about this. 92.3 had a writer from Atlanta on yesterday who seems to think this new front office group is going to change the course for the Browns. He said he thinks they are going to trade down one of those picks.

If they go the free agency or trade QB route, I'd say all bets are off at keeping that #1 pick. I'll be pissed if they use the pick on Barkley at #1, assuming they were to sign Cousins or trade for someone like Foles (unlikely).

The thing that sucks about moving down to the Bills picks is that I'm having Eric Mangini draft flashbacks even though I know these guys are more qualified to make the picks. If they drop that far, they'd better be getting Buffalo's 2018 #1 too.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Thinking about #4 pick, would you consider moving back from #4 for both of Buffalo's 1st Round picks? Buffalo owns #21 & #22.

I already said I would be willing to trade down from the #4 pick.  It would be even better if they traded down with the Broncos or Jets.  

Absolutely not. Haven’t we learned our lesson on this? Just stay at 1 and 4, make good picks, and move on. I swear, browns fans want to get so damn cute with the draft, smh. 

posted by SportsAndLady

 Just stay at 1 and 4, make good picks, and move on.

This

posted by SportsAndLady

Absolutely not. Haven’t we learned our lesson on this? Just stay at 1 and 4, make good picks, and move on. I swear, browns fans want to get so damn cute with the draft, smh. 

How is trading one or two spots down (as I mentioned) getting cute?   If you are referring to COA's scenario, I also can't 100% get down with the NO TRADE DOWN attitude. Just because the previous dumb ass front offices fucked up those picks, doesn't mean the current FO will.  You have to approach this FO with a clean slate.  The problem the last 5-6 years was not the trading down.  The problem was our idiot GMs making horrible decisions with the picks they gathered.  For example, if Farmer makes the correct picks after the trade down in the loaded 2012 draft, instead of drafting gilbert/manziel, nobody would be bitching.  I can't get down with this "we cant trade down, because our previous dumbass gms have fucked that up" attitude.  A lot of franchises have benefitted from collecting draft picks.   If the Browns were offered a first round pick (and maybe more) to move down one or two spots, you would have to be the biggest fucking idiot not to take that deal.  

posted by like_that

How is trading one or two spots down (as I mentioned) getting cute?   If you are referring to COA's scenario, I also can't 100% get down with the NO TRADE DOWN attitude. Just because the previous dumb ass front offices fucked up those picks, doesn't mean the current FO will.  You have to approach this FO with a clean slate.  The problem the last 5-6 years was not the trading down.  The problem was our idiot GMs making horrible decisions with the picks they gathered.  For example, if Farmer makes the correct picks after the trade down in the loaded 2012 draft, instead of drafting gilbert/manziel, nobody would be bitching.  I can't get down with this "we cant trade down, because our previous dumbass gms have fucked that up" attitude.  A lot of franchises have benefitted from collecting draft picks (see the eagles).   If the Browns were offered a first round pick (and maybe more) to move down one or two spots, you would have to be the biggest fucking idiot not to take that deal.  

 

 

Agree with this, for the most part. The actual problem, in the Wentz case, was the fact that they traded down PERIOD. Sashi Brown set this new front office up very nicely with draft picks and cap room but he didn't have the sack to pull the trigger when it came time to man up, grab his QB and own it.

posted by BR1986FB

Agree with this, for the most part. The actual problem, in the Wentz case, was the fact that they traded down PERIOD. Sashi Brown set this new front office up very nicely with draft picks and cap room but he didn't have the sack to pull the trigger when it came time to man up, grab his QB and own it.

Wentz is one they let get away, however the following draft they had several opportunities to make the right picks and that includes a QB even though I am not high on Watson as some.  I am looking at the entire sample size.  The Browns have traded down a lot and received an additional first round pick the last 5-7 years.  Any good GM could have turned the Browns into a competitive franchise with those picks.  The Browns simply haven't had a good GM making those picks. 

posted by like_that

Wentz is one they let get away, however the following draft they had several opportunities to make the right picks and that includes a QB even though I am not high on Watson as some.  I am looking at the entire sample size.  The Browns have traded down a lot and received an additional first round pick the last 5-7 years.  Any good GM could have turned the Browns into a competitive franchise with those picks.  The Browns simply haven't had a good GM making those picks. 

Mangini's was still the worst. Granted, I would've never drafted Butt Fumble but the players he picked were god awful. Dare I say COA's all-time favorite? (coug-Veikune-cough). Plus, he should've gotten a better haul of picks for how far they traded down.

posted by BR1986FB

Mangini's was still the worst. Granted, I would've never drafted Butt Fumble but the players he picked were god awful. Dare I say COA's all-time favorite? (coug-Veikune-cough). Plus, he should've gotten a better haul of picks for how far they traded down.

I always forget about Mangini, because he got trade raped on those trade downs.  I was more referring to the drafts where we had 2 first round picks. 

posted by Commander of Awesome

Thinking about #4 pick, would you consider moving back from #4 for both of Buffalo's 1st Round picks? Buffalo owns #21 & #22.

Hopefully Fitzpatrick is there and they don't need to consider

posted by like_that

I always forget about Mangini, because he got trade raped on those trade downs.  I was more referring to the drafts where we had 2 first round picks. 

Yeah, I get it. There have been so many bad players picked from those trade downs that his is easy to forget Mangini.

I would trade down from 4 a few spots, but not 1. They need a QB. Unless they are swapping with NYG you stay at 1.

I would have no issue moving from 4, but would stay in the top 10. 1-10 is still a great haul with an additional first in 2018. But moving to 21-22 from 4, even then getting 3 first this year, seems like too far a drop imo.

It’s not about former GM’s and their shitiness. It’s about the teams every year who just stay where they’re at and draft who’s best available. Look at the saints, they absolutely nailed their first 4 picks this year. And because of it, they’re going to be a playoff team for a long time. They didn’t try and get cute and be the smartest person in the room. They didn’t need a RB, but they liked Kamara and they drafted him. They needed defense, and they spent a ton of high picks on defense and now their defense is loaded. It’s not fucking rocket science. Just stay at 1 and 4, and pick good players. If anyone shouldn’t try to outsmart anyone, it’s the browns. 

posted by SportsAndLady

It’s not about former GM’s and their shitiness. It’s about the teams every year who just stay where they’re at and draft who’s best available. Look at the saints, they absolutely nailed their first 4 picks this year. And because of it, they’re going to be a playoff team for a long time. They didn’t try and get cute and be the smartest person in the room. They didn’t need a RB, but they liked Kamara and they drafted him. They needed defense, and they spent a ton of high picks on defense and now their defense is loaded. It’s not fucking rocket science. Just stay at 1 and 4, and pick good players. If anyone shouldn’t try to outsmart anyone, it’s the browns. 

lol, you're forgetting that the Saints tried to trade up for Mahomes.

posted by Commander of Awesome

lol, you're forgetting that the Saints tried to trade up for Mahomes.

Maybe they did maybe they didn’t. 

Fact is, they stayed where they were and had an amazing draft. Browns should just do that. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Maybe they did maybe they didn’t. 

Fact is, they stayed where they were and had an amazing draft. Browns should just do that. 

So, if the jets or broncos called and offered an additional first round pick (plus probably other picks), you would turn it down?

Edit:  I am talking about the 4th pick.  No way in hell I am trading the 1st pick.  Draft the QB. 

posted by Verbal Kint

Hopefully Fitzpatrick is there and they don't need to consider

I don't think you're going to have to worry about Fitzpatrick (or Chubb) being there at #4. I bet the Colts take a QB at #3. News out of Indy that Luck is likely going to need more shoulder surgery and isn't close to returning. He may be done, or at least in a Peyton Manning-like (end of his career with the neck issues) state.

After yesterday, I think the Colts may be more dysfunctional than the Browns.....and Josh McDaniels is a bitch.

posted by like_that

So, if the jets or broncos called and offered an additional first round pick (plus probably other picks), you would turn it down?

 

Edit:  I am talking about the 4th pick.  No way in hell I am trading the 1st pick.  Draft the QB. 

Nope. I’m taking BPA at 4. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Nope. I’m taking BPA at 4. 

I normally agree with you, but that is dumb as fuck.  Think about what you are saying here.  The Browns would draft a QB at #1, which is our top priority.  If the Jets and Broncos are calling to trade to #4, they are doing so to get a QB.  The Browns would only drop 1 or 2 spots depending which team they trade with.  They would still be able to pick their BPA on their board, since those two teams will be drafting a QB and the Browns already drafted their QB.  Come on man, use your fucking head.  Turning down that trade would be a fireable offense. 

I can see the argument with trading with the Bills, but I can't see any logical argument with turning down a trade to go down one or two spots, especially if it means we aren't passing on a QB. 

posted by like_that

I normally agree with you, but that is dumb as fuck.  Think about what you are saying here.  The Browns would draft a QB at #1, which is our top priority.  If the Jets and Broncos are calling to trade to #4, they are doing so to get a QB.  The Browns would only drop 1 or 2 spots depending which team they trade with.  They would still be able to pick their BPA on their board, since those two teams will be drafting a QB and the Browns already drafted their QB.  Come on man, use your fucking head.  Turning down that trade would be a fireable offense. 

 

I can see the argument with trading with the Bills, but I can't see any logical argument with turning down a trade to go down one or two spots, especially if it means we aren't passing on a QB. 

If we used my strategy we’d have Julio Jones and Carson Wentz. I’ll stick with the CRAZY thought process that better talent is available the higher pick you have, so stay there and pick them. 

This dumbass “moneyball” idea already failed here. We tried to get cute and make all these trades instead of staying put and just picking the talent available at the current position. 

Now, if the trade is to move down to the 5 spot so that someone can pick a QB at 4, then sure lol but that won’t be happening. 

posted by SportsAndLady

If we used my strategy we’d have Julio Jones and Carson Wentz. I’ll stick with the CRAZY thought process that better talent is available the higher pick you have, so stay there and pick them. 

This dumbass “moneyball” idea already failed here. We tried to get cute and make all these trades instead of staying put and just picking the talent available at the current position. 

 

Now, if the trade is to move down to the 5 spot so that someone can pick a QB at 4, then sure lol but that won’t be happening. 

Yes it would.  Denver isn't trading up for a non QB.  Neither are the Jets.  It would be beyond moronic to pass up on a additional first round pick to move down 1-2 spots, just because you are paranoid about previous GMs making dumbass picks.

Again, just because collecting assets failed before, doesn't mean it would fail again.  Take a look at the Julio draft, the trich/weeden draft, and the gilbert/manziel draft.  If our GMs made the right pick(s) (plenty to choose from) we would be looking golden right now. What makes you think that these GMs would have made the right pick if they didn't move down?  The gilbert/manzil draft alone could have changed the franchise entirely and set them browns up for long term success. 

Also, who is to say if we drafted Julio Jones, that we would have been in position to draft Carson Wentz 6 years later?