posted by BR1986FB

Good god....if you want some laughs, go over to 92.3's podcast of Carman & Lima's interview with Evan Silva of Rotoworld yesterday. Silva is a Sashi Brown apologist and hates Hue Jackson.

Silva, when talking about the Browns defense called Larry Ogunjobi "untouchable" and "the next Ndamukong Suh."

He said Hue Jackson was worse at coaching than a pee wee coach and that Sashi Brown botching the AJ McCarron trade "Not only saved the Browns....it saved football!" as in football would no longer exist if this trade went through.

Funny shit.

I don't disagree with this at all.

One of my co-owners in my company is connected to one of the Browns higher up's through a mutual friend and they met earlier this week. My boss asked him "what are you going to do in the draft?" and the first thing that was brought up was Kirk Cousins (by the exec) which my boss replied "that's not going to happen." The Browns exec then stating "I can tell you this, if we don't draft a QB high in this draft we will lose the fan base." My boss has been a "build up the defense, get the QB later" type and wants to use 1 & 4 on defense. Nothing new, or earth shattering, but just wanted to add it here.

Matt Miller (Bleacher Report) compares the QB's. Also some notes about other players, including Minkah Fitzpatrick, at the bottom....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2760902-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-scouts-latest-takes-comparisons-for-top-qbs?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

Hope the rumor that the Browns don't want a QB at 1 isn't true. Also, if Cousins goes to Minny, I'll gladly take Keenum.

posted by iclfan2

Hope the rumor that the Browns don't want a QB at 1 isn't true. Also, if Cousins goes to Minny, I'll gladly take Keenum.

I'm sure if they will end up liking one of these guys and if they feel he won't drop down to #4, they'll take him at #1. If they feel they are interchangeable, all bets are off.

So Rams get Peters and a 6th this yr and only gave up a 4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? WTF? Why weren't the Browns in on that?

posted by Commander of Awesome

So Rams get Peters and a 6th this yr and only gave up a 4th this yr and a 2nd next yr? WTF? Why weren't the Browns in on that?

Have a feeling they will target Trumaine Johnson in FA. He's likely the odd man out in LA.

See where the Vikes will likely go all in for Cousins and they won't tag Keenum or likely bring him back. Thoughts on Keenum as the bridge QB for the rookie? (That question is for everyone btw)

posted by BR1986FB

Have a feeling they will target Trumaine Johnson in FA. He's likely the odd man out in LA.

See where the Vikes will likely go all in for Cousins and they won't tag Keenum or likely bring him back. Thoughts on Keenum as the bridge QB for the rookie? (That question is for everyone btw)

Cool with me

I'd rather have Keenum over McCarron because I could see a Hoyer/Manziel situation between McCarron and a rookie. Keenum is older and has been a backup his whole career where I think McCarron might think Dalton's been holding him back from being a starter and may be dumb enough to think he could be someone's franchise guy.

Keenum would do just fine in Cleveland, if Gordon sticks around.

Well Rosen went on record saying that he wouldn’t play for the Browns is completely false. Just draft Rosen at 1 and be done with it. I honestly think he is the best qb prospect since luck. 

posted by BR1986FB

Have a feeling they will target Trumaine Johnson in FA. He's likely the odd man out in LA.

See where the Vikes will likely go all in for Cousins and they won't tag Keenum or likely bring him back. Thoughts on Keenum as the bridge QB for the rookie? (That question is for everyone btw)

Start the rook

posted by Commander of Awesome

Start the rook

I think Dorsey, unlike Sashi, wants to win.

Beyond Cousins greatest contract ever, is there a predicted market value for either Keenum or Bridgewater?

posted by Verbal Kint

Beyond Cousins greatest contract ever, is there a predicted market value for either Keenum or Bridgewater?

I've read Keenum will probably command ~$12-$15M on a 3 yr deal, $25M guaranteed.

posted by Verbal Kint

Beyond Cousins greatest contract ever, is there a predicted market value for either Keenum or Bridgewater?

Cousins will just set the wheels in motion. If Brees doesn't have a deal in place before Cousins, his will be bigger...then TheRapist will likely start bitching about his deal and want it redone, etc, etc. Cousins "greatest contract ever" likely won't last very long, if it is the biggest deal ever.

posted by BR1986FB

I think Dorsey, unlike Sashi, wants to win.

If you pick the right guy and the coach isn't an asshat, you should be able to do both. Countless examples of this, not that hard.

posted by Commander of Awesome

If you pick the right guy and the coach isn't an asshat, you should be able to do both. Countless examples of this, not that hard.

You do realize that Hue Jackson's the HC so the "asshat" part is already there. I really want no part of him tainting a rookie QB with his coaching DNA. That was one of my main reasons for wanting Cousins. I doubt Hue could screw that up. Assuming they take a QB at 1, I hope he doesn't see the field until Hue's ass is canned and someone else can mold him. He did an ok job with Kessler but he handled Kizer brutally.

posted by BR1986FB

You do realize that Hue Jackson's the HC so the "asshat" part is already there. I really want no part of him tainting a rookie QB with his coaching DNA. That was one of my main reasons for wanting Cousins. I doubt Hue could screw that up. Assuming they take a QB at 1, I hope he doesn't see the field until Hue's ass is canned and someone else can mold him. He did an ok job with Kessler but he handled Kizer brutally.

90% of the kizer shitshow falls on kizer being awful. I wasn’t a fan of how Hue did some things with him, but you can’t coach awful. 

Ill give hue one thing, this FO hasn’t given him a competent QB. It’s tough to win without one. No one is going to be more happy to get the #1 overall QB than hue is. I’ll give him a shot to see what he can do with him. 

posted by BR1986FB

You do realize that Hue Jackson's the HC so the "asshat" part is already there. I really want no part of him tainting a rookie QB with his coaching DNA. That was one of my main reasons for wanting Cousins. I doubt Hue could screw that up. Assuming they take a QB at 1, I hope he doesn't see the field until Hue's ass is canned and someone else can mold him. He did an ok job with Kessler but he handled Kizer brutally.

BR, your dream of winning NOW is not going to happen.  Hate to break it to you, but Cousins coming to Cleveland is very unlikely.  I haven't seen one "expert" predict that he will end up in Cleveland.  Even if he did, the Browns AT BEST would be looking like one of those 7-9 to 9-7 fringe playoff teams. 

posted by like_that

BR, your dream of winning NOW is not going to happen.  Hate to break it to you, but Cousins coming to Cleveland is very unlikely.  I haven't seen one "expert" predict that he will end up in Cleveland.  Even if he did, the Browns AT BEST would be looking like one of those 7-9 to 9-7 fringe playoff teams. 

Gotta agree with your last point. Cousins would be the best QB Cleveland’s had in decades. But he has a ceiling. And that ceiling is a wild card berth in the playoffs. 

posted by BR1986FB

 He did an ok job with Kessler but he handled Kizer brutally.

This--the kid never had a chance...

Oh, I agree that Cousins won't be coming to Cleveland. Unfortunately, I believe that domino will also send Joe Thomas into retirement. My thoughts were that the only way he returns is if Cousins comes here. We should have our answer (regarding JT) in the next two weeks as he's said he wants to be fair to the Browns to know which direction they have to go at his position prior to FA which is Monday March 12th, I believe.

Speaking of JT, they released a ThomaHawk podcast at about 4am this morning and had Manziel on as a guest. One interesting thing JFF said was about Josh Gordon. He mentioned that for he and JG, there is always the "temptation" to do bad things. People are offering it to them all the time and they "like" to do it so it's tough. Not that anyone gives a shit about what Manziel says but it just goes to show what they're dealing with. The Browns have to make a decision shortly on whether to give Gordon this tender. I think they are waiting as long as possible to make sure no bad news comes out.

BoofuckingHoo JFF. My sympathy card is in the mail.

Joe Thomas will let browns know his future decision soon come, but it’s believed that he will be back playing. According to Rapoport. No surprise there and def good news.