posted by iclfan2

So it's draft week. Who does everybody want? I want whatever OT the front office thinks is best. If that person is gone, I wouldn't mind trading with say Denver at 15.

I want Wirfs to fall (pipedream). If 2 of the OTs fall (Thomas/Wills) or someone really wants to jump the Jets for a WR (Oakland/Denver/SF) get the best deal you can and swap 1s. Hopefully there is a bidding war for Jeudy between someone and Jets and we can force the Jets to swap picks, but unlikely since the WR are so deep and closely graded.

If none of that happens, take the top OT left of the top 3. If its Becton/Cleveland, trade down. 

Can't see the Jets trading up with their lack of picks. I'm hoping a decent OT or WR falls a bit and they can trade back a few spots.

posted by iclfan2

So it's draft week. Who does everybody want? I want whatever OT the front office thinks is best. If that person is gone, I wouldn't mind trading with say Denver at 15.

 

1a) Thomas 1b) Wirfs then Wills...if all are gone trade down. If those guys are gone and they don't find a trade partner, I wouldn't be stunned to see them take a WR at 10 (BPA). Yeah, I know, "but OBJ & Landry?" I'm not confident those guys will be 100% to start the season. My pipedream would be Simmons but I fear they wouldn't know how to use him ala Peppers.

Don't really want Becton or Ezra Cleveland as I don't think Becton fits what they're looking for and Cleveland's a project who could do well in pass pro but could get manhandled in the run game. I know we're hearing a lot of smoke about Cleveland but I think they like Josh Jones more but 10 would be way too high for him.

If the LB from Clemson is still there at 10, take him; otherwise a tackle.  The WR class is very deep, can certainly get quality in rounds 2-4.

If Simmons falls, it’s the only person I’d want outside a LT. 

Don't want Becton, unless it’s after a trade down. Run game masher, but not many highlights/high grades on his pass protection.

posted by Laley23

If Simmons falls, it’s the only person I’d want outside a LT. 

Don't want Becton, unless it’s after a trade down. Run game masher, but not many highlights/high grades on his pass protection.

Joe Thomas, who was great at his position, isn't so great at evaluating talent, imo. He thinks Becton is best suited for the Browns scheme.

92.3 had a guy who's worked with Becton on today and called him "Hall of Fame talent" if he stays focused. Said he's real mean/nasty. Of course he's going to pimp him as he's helping him get ready for the league.

posted by BR1986FB

Joe Thomas, who was great at his position, isn't so great at evaluating talent, imo. He thinks Becton is best suited for the Browns scheme.

92.3 had a guy who's worked with Becton on today and called him "Hall of Fame talent" if he stays focused. Said he's real mean/nasty. Of course he's going to pimp him as he's helping him get ready for the league.

Not being a dick, but why would you think you’re better at grading an OT than Thomas? I’ll take his grade over almost anyones 

posted by iclfan2

Not being a dick, but why would you think you’re better at grading an OT than Thomas? I’ll take his grade over almost anyones 

BR has a weird thing against JT

Saw that pic on twitter and got so sad. Looked back at Ray Farmer’s picks as our GM. Back to back years of two first rounders and he whiffed on all four of them lol. Gilbert, manziel, Cam Erving, and Danny Shelton. You’ve gotta be really bad to go 0/4 on first round picks

posted by iclfan2

Not being a dick, but why would you think you’re better at grading an OT than Thomas? I’ll take his grade over almost anyones 

I don't think I'm better but he also said last year that Greg Robinson was a "franchise LT." That, along with the fact he ranks Becton as the best fit for their scheme, is the only reason I made that comment. You'd think since he was one of the best on the field he'd be able to have a solid idea of players at his position. Not being a dick, but do you honestly agree that G-Rob is a franchise LT?

posted by BR1986FB

I don't think I'm better but he also said last year that Greg Robinson was a "franchise LT." That, along with the fact he ranks Becton as the best fit for their scheme, is the only reason I made that comment. You'd think since he was one of the best on the field he'd be able to have a solid idea of players at his position. Not being a dick, but do you honestly agree that G-Rob is a franchise LT?

He made one bad prediction (Greg Robinson), and you think he’s not fit to grade tackles? 

A lot of Trent Williams chatter over the last few hours. Rivera has said he'd like another 3rd or 4th going into tomorrow's draft. I'd have no issue throwing the later 3rd rounder at the Skins but Williams' contract and injury history are a big concern. Williams is likely better than any LT in this draft, just much older.

I would do a 3rd in a second.

Is 31 actually old for a lineman? I feel the good ones are effective until 35ish. Plus, I dont expect the Browns to be siging him to a long-term deal. Probably a stopgap type signing. And Ive never heard Trent Williams described as anything but dependable on the injury front...

Tons of nagging stuff, but he rarely misses a game. Only 1 surgery in his life, I believe.

posted by BR1986FB

A lot of Trent Williams chatter over the last few hours. Rivera has said he'd like another 3rd or 4th going into tomorrow's draft. I'd have no issue throwing the later 3rd rounder at the Skins but Williams' contract and injury history are a big concern. Williams is likely better than any LT in this draft, just much older.

Current rumor I am seeing is a 3rd or 4th this year PLUS our 2nd in next years draft.

Just draft best OL available at 10, and don’t get cute. It’s tough to draft a bad O lineman in the top 10 (at least recently). Just grab whoever’s best available, I know that’s a crazy concept for Browns front office but it’s the best one. 

posted by iclfan2

Not being a dick, but why would you think you’re better at grading an OT than Thomas? I’ll take his grade over almost anyones 

Being a great player and a great talent evaluator aren't closely related skill sets.

posted by iclfan2

I would do a 3rd in a second.

I saw pieces of Dane's mock and seems like he has the impression that their top two guys are Simmons or Thomas, otherwise trade down. Was surprised that they traded down to 18 with Wirfs on the board (who Miami ended up drafting with the 10 pick).

And no (not referencing you), you don't take ANY O-Lineman just to take one. Of those top 4 (Wirfs, Thomas, Wills & Becton) one or more of those guys will likely bust or underachieve.

I think you take one of those 4 OLmen. It’s a loaded o line class, I think all 4 of them are good enough to play LT. Fills a hole, and helps protect baker for the next decade. 
I'm slightly concerned by Becton’s drug test, but it’s never been an issue before so hoping it’s not a huge factor. 

Wirfs has been projected by a few to be a future All-Pro guard. That wouldn't kill me but still need someone to protect BM's backside.

posted by BR1986FB

Wirfs has been projected by a few to be a future All-Pro guard. That wouldn't kill me but still need someone to protect BM's backside.

Nothing to really do with what you said, but it reminded me that I think Wyatt teller is going to have a pretty good year at RG for the browns this year. It’ll help to be covered up by tretter and Conklin, but I really think he’s a quality guard that wasn’t able to show that last year. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Nothing to really do with what you said, but it reminded me that I think Wyatt teller is going to have a pretty good year at RG for the browns this year. It’ll help to be covered up by tretter and Conklin, but I really think he’s a quality guard that wasn’t able to show that last year. 

I think they might move Hubbard to RG for the exact same reason you mentioned, protection from Conklin & Tretter. I just think Hubbard is terrible out on an island, in space. Otherwise, I can't see why they would keep his bum ass when he could free up more cap space.

IT'S DRAFT DAY!!

I don’t want Becton at 10. If they trade down and can grab him later, fine. But I’d rather go defense at 10 than Becton. His pass blocking scares me. And I’d rather have that than run blocking from LT, especially since I want to evaluate Baker as a passer once and for all this season.