posted by SportsAndLady

Jmog, gut, like that, ICL...these dudes get straight up RATTLED when someone supports BLM. It’s really weird. It’s almost like, they don’t like black people having their own movement  

Wonder why

Yup, as soon as anyone doesn’t agree with something on the left they are racists...we know...

I agree with the movement, I don’t agree with riots, violence, etc and I don’t support the actual BLM organization as it is an unabashed admitted Marxist organization.

Hope this helps.

posted by jmog

Yup, as soon as anyone doesn’t agree with something on the left they are racists...we know...

I agree with the movement, I don’t agree with riots, violence, etc and I don’t support the actual BLM organization as it is an unabashed admitted Marxist organization.

Hope this helps.

There’s no point in explaining it. He’s gone. He doesn’t understand that life isn’t always black/white.

posted by jmog

I read all your comments, that’s not all you were doing/said. I won’t go as far as gut and say you were race baiting, but you definitely assume it’s murder by a cop when it’s a black suspect first before hearing the facts.

Lol never said it was murder he probably won’t even get charged. Getting back n  the car was the big deal I was just saying I don’t think this “knife” was. But detective gut explained the law and police procedures as well as what the cops were thinking so we are good now 

It probably seems like I’m always defending unarmed black people for getting killed by police because it happens a lot lol and Someone has to have some viewpoints on the other side or it would be just you guys agreeing with each other all day. 

posted by geeblock

Lol never said it was murder he probably won’t even get charged. Getting back n  the car was the big deal I was just saying I don’t think this “knife” was. But detective gut explained the law and police procedures as well as what the cops were thinking so we are good now 

That’s what they want. They want to sit around an anonymous message board circle jerking each other because they all believe that BLM is a Marxist organization that causes crime and rioting and that black men murdered by cops are just bad people and they aren’t going to feel any sort of empathy for them when they’re murdered by police. They’re going to pretend like rioting is wayyyyy worse than murder. They’re going to listen to cops, but ignore their prejudices. 

And when someone calls them out on it, they do what they’re doing now (you can’t read, you are a moron, you’re a race baiter, blah blah blah)

Pretty easy to see. 

As someone who doesn't care enough about this to do much more research than trying to slog through this shit-show of a thread, I'll just say three points.

1. If you're getting orders from a cop and you don't comply, you're asking for some sort of trouble.

2. If you're a cop and you decide that "some sort of trouble" involving non-compliance should be you gunning the dude down AND there isn't a factor along the lines of "dude was charging me with a weapon and ill intent", you probably shouldn't be wearing that uniform.

3. While I'm still not sure if dude had a knife or had something else (like a phone, which I think I saw mentioned here a few times), I think in light of recent events, especially in an area where body cams aren't a thing, a person would have to be a bit naive to think that the concept of a cop yelling "drop that weapon" when not sure if the guy is even holding a weapon, but does know he's being resistant, is outside the realm of possibility. All they need is plausible deniability in case shit does hit the fan -- such as "it's night, he wasn't complying and he might have been reaching for something". There's a reason why people are still yelling about Breonna Taylor in Louisville -- the simple truth that the police are hiding behind loopholes to keep things as close to "accidents happen; can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" where a person or two might lose their job, but aren't getting any sort of charges against them.

posted by Heretic

As someone who doesn't care enough about this to do much more research than trying to slog through this shit-show of a thread, I'll just say three points.

1. If you're getting orders from a cop and you don't comply, you're asking for some sort of trouble.

2. If you're a cop and you decide that "some sort of trouble" involving non-compliance should be you gunning the dude down AND there isn't a factor along the lines of "dude was charging me with a weapon and ill intent", you probably shouldn't be wearing that uniform.

3. While I'm still not sure if dude had a knife or had something else (like a phone, which I think I saw mentioned here a few times), I think in light of recent events, especially in an area where body cams aren't a thing, a person would have to be a bit naive to think that the concept of a cop yelling "drop that weapon" when not sure if the guy is even holding a weapon, but does know he's being resistant, is outside the realm of possibility. All they need is plausible deniability in case shit does hit the fan -- such as "it's night, he wasn't complying and he might have been reaching for something". There's a reason why people are still yelling about Breonna Taylor in Louisville -- the simple truth that the police are hiding behind loopholes to keep things as close to "accidents happen; can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" where a person or two might lose their job, but aren't getting any sort of charges against them.

You said it much better than I did well done. #3

posted by geeblock

You said it much better than I did well done. #3

Yes he did. Good post and fair points.

posted by Heretic

1. If you're getting orders from a cop and you don't comply, you're asking for some sort of trouble.

I think most people get that, while also understanding that the cop could have and should have handled this differently.

But when the SJW's get unhinged when you talk about resisting arrest as being a factor in these cases, then there's really no hope of a productive discussion.  It's not mutually exclusive - saying people have a role in cops doing their job safely isn't saying that policies and procedures don't need to change.

Fueling more hatred and distrust of the police won't save a single life.  In fact, it will probably cost more lives.  You don't have to defund police - I think that's already happening voluntarily.  And then the real costs of the misguided BLM movement will begin to emerge.

posted by SportsAndLady

That’s what they want. They want to sit around an anonymous message board circle jerking each other because they all believe that BLM is a Marxist organization that causes crime and rioting and that black men murdered by cops are just bad people and they aren’t going to feel any sort of empathy for them when they’re murdered by police. They’re going to pretend like rioting is wayyyyy worse than murder. They’re going to listen to cops, but ignore their prejudices. 

And when someone calls them out on it, they do what they’re doing now (you can’t read, you are a moron, you’re a race baiter, blah blah blah)

Pretty easy to see. 

BLM is a Marxist organization and their founders don’t deny that. They are all admitted Marxists.

I am sorry if you did not know that, but it is a fact.

posted by gut

I think most people get that, while also understanding that the cop could have and should have handled this differently.

But when the SJW's get unhinged when you talk about resisting arrest as being a factor in these cases, then there's really no hope of a productive discussion.  It's not mutually exclusive - saying people have a role in cops doing their job safely isn't saying that policies and procedures don't need to change.

Fueling more hatred and distrust of the police won't save a single life.  In fact, it will probably cost more lives.  You don't have to defund police - I think that's already happening voluntarily.  And then the real costs of the misguided BLM movement will begin to emerge.

“Good post heretic, but here’s two paragraphs of why I’m right”

posted by Heretic

... a person would have to be a bit naive to think that the concept of a cop yelling "drop that weapon" when not sure if the guy is even holding a weapon, but does know he's being resistant, is outside the realm of possibility. All they need is plausible deniability in case shit does hit the fan -

Cops have such extensive training on that it becomes reflexive.  To say the cop deliberately shouted "drop the knife" to cover his ass for what might transpire is equivalent to saying he was trained that way.  I'm pretty sure "call out imaginary weapons" is NOT standard training. It was turned around to present an argument that the unlikely was common or expected in order to dismiss the most obvious and simplest explanation.

Do cops make it up after the fact to cover their ass?  Definitely.  But that's something entirely different.  I just think it's an absolutely ridiculous argument to say that, in the heat of the moment, the cop is plotting and strategizing a defense in case he shoots this guy.

posted by SportsAndLady

“Good post heretic, but here’s two paragraphs of why I’m right”

It’s 5 now 

posted by jmog

BLM is a Marxist organization and their founders don’t deny that. They are all admitted Marxists.

They love "hands up don't shoot"....until it actually matters in an encounter with a cop.

posted by SportsAndLady

“Good post heretic, but here’s two paragraphs of why I’m right”

It's a message board where adults can have discussions.  Some day you'll grow up and be capable of adult conversation, too.

posted by gut

Cops have such extensive training on that it becomes reflexive.  To say the cop deliberately shouted "drop the knife" to cover his ass for what might transpire is equivalent to saying he was trained that way.  I'm pretty sure "call out imaginary weapons" is NOT standard training. It was turned around to present an argument that the unlikely was common or expected in order to dismiss the most obvious and simplest explanation.

Do cops make it up after the fact to cover their ass?  Definitely.  But that's something entirely different.  I just think it's an absolutely ridiculous argument to say that, in the heat of the moment, the cop is plotting and strategizing a defense in case he shoots this guy.

You are delusional  

Cops can’t cover their ass in the heat of the moment because they had such extensive training years ago. LOLOL

Perfectly normal. Also see all the white cucks. “White silence is violence”. Go fuck yourselves. 

Sorry I’ve been out of town and haven’t followed this that closely. When he went to get back in the car, was anyone else inside the car? 

Was he involved in the domestic dispute that led to the call? 

posted by Heretic

As someone who doesn't care enough about this to do much more research than trying to slog through this shit-show of a thread, I'll just say three points.

1. If you're getting orders from a cop and you don't comply, you're asking for some sort of trouble.

2. If you're a cop and you decide that "some sort of trouble" involving non-compliance should be you gunning the dude down AND there isn't a factor along the lines of "dude was charging me with a weapon and ill intent", you probably shouldn't be wearing that uniform.

3. While I'm still not sure if dude had a knife or had something else (like a phone, which I think I saw mentioned here a few times), I think in light of recent events, especially in an area where body cams aren't a thing, a person would have to be a bit naive to think that the concept of a cop yelling "drop that weapon" when not sure if the guy is even holding a weapon, but does know he's being resistant, is outside the realm of possibility. All they need is plausible deniability in case shit does hit the fan -- such as "it's night, he wasn't complying and he might have been reaching for something". There's a reason why people are still yelling about Breonna Taylor in Louisville -- the simple truth that the police are hiding behind loopholes to keep things as close to "accidents happen; can't put the toothpaste back in the tube" where a person or two might lose their job, but aren't getting any sort of charges against them.

Good summary in the messy back and forth here. On point 3, yeah Cops need to be held to a higher standard now a days. I'm also starting to think that the whole concept of the use of deadly force needs to be examined. 

posted by iclfan2

Perfectly normal. Also see all the white cucks. “White silence is violence”. Go fuck yourselves. 

Oh yeah fuck those protesters. That is just insane. 

posted by jmog

BLM is a Marxist organization and their founders don’t deny that. They are all admitted Marxists.

I am sorry if you did not know that, but it is a fact.

You always bring this up, but honestly I don't think people care about the group.  They just think yeah given everything that is going on, black lives do matter.  End of story. 

posted by geeblock

It has to do with it because tons of times cops show up and arrest the black person who is the one who callled them or who was the victim. Or some black person who had nothing to do with it. It just happened to a black couple who called the cops on looters. This could possibly explain why he reacted the way he did. I agree we don’t know what happened. Where did we see he had a knife?

Link?

posted by iclfan2

Perfectly normal. Also see all the white cucks. “White silence is violence”. Go fuck yourselves. 

If that were me......at least 5 or 6 of them just get laid out by me.  I would have just went HAM on that crowd

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UVl3WVYmmqsposted by Spock
Link?

How many would you like? I already posted one earlier 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/09/us/dancing-black-man-police-trnd/index.html