posted by gut

I think most of that manufacturing capacity is in China.  It would be hard to tool-up for that in a few months, and it's unlikely that someone making car parts is going to change over to making masks, if it were even feasible.  Plus, simply "if you pay enough" you have to consider that process starts with someone making the tooling.  And with a shortage of that you have to go back even another tier to the people who make the tooling to make the tooling (yes, that's a real thing).  All that takes time, even if you're writing a blank check.

A year or two from now under reasonable economics, sure.  But we're 3 months into this and we still barely have enough masks for healthcare workers.

I actually used to do a newsletter for a company that produces tooling equipment. I hadn't really considered what all would be involved in that, so perhaps you're right.  At least in the short-term, it's probably not feasible.  Not with any kind of non-homemade masks, anyway.

But as you said, it's not likely the kids would keep them on well anyway.

posted by queencitybuckeye

They're carriers of everything known to man. Their R0 numbers are off the charts.They'll be fine. Grandma, dad, etc. not so much.

 

Idiot.

 

It baffles me that people cannot understand that point. It’s not about the kids getting it or regular healthy people getting it or whatever, it’s about them passing it to others who are more vulnerable. And they’d have no idea they did it. 

posted by SportsAndLady

It baffles me that people cannot understand that point. It’s not about the kids getting it or regular healthy people getting it or whatever, it’s about them passing it to others who are more vulnerable. And they’d have no idea they did it. 

I imagine it's often choosing to pretend not to understand. Easier than making their case honestly.

posted by O-Trap

But as you said, it's not likely the kids would keep them on well anyway.

On the other hand, maybe I'll invest in a maker of halloween masks....

posted by SportsAndLady

It baffles me that people cannot understand that point. It’s not about the kids getting it or regular healthy people getting it or whatever, it’s about them passing it to others who are more vulnerable. And they’d have no idea they did it. 

There is more evidence that kids do not only get infected much, they are also very poor carriers (i.e. they don't spread it easily).  

posted by queencitybuckeye

They're carriers of everything known to man. Their R0 numbers are off the charts.They'll be fine. Grandma, dad, etc. not so much.

 

Idiot.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-epidemiolo/children-with-covid-19-may-be-less-contagious-than-adults-two-uk-epidemiologists-say-idUSKBN22V1K1

300 at a wedding is ok in June but 2 months later please no more than 12 kids on a bus

posted by Ironman92

300 at a wedding is ok in June but 2 months later please no more than 12 kids on a bus

Article I just saw in The Atlantic was like "OMGOMGOMGOMG states are including antibody tests in their numbers which is overstating their testing for active cases and could allow them to re-open when they haven't met the guidelines".

But the hospitals are nowhere near overburdened and I thought that was the point?  If the shutdowns work - and I'm not sure they do - then why can't we just shutdown again if numbers start going back up?  Usually elicits some response about Drumpf and deplorables.

posted by Ironman92

300 at a wedding is ok in June but 2 months later please no more than 12 kids on a bus

Its arbitrary.  Fear has set in. The ability to control is ripe for the picking. Even some staunch libertarians are falling in line.

The idea that kiddos can't live their lives because grandma and grandpa might get the plague is selfish.  If your fear is so great stay away.  My wife and I have liberated ourselves from our children and grandchildren being a sponge for the virus and so have our elderly parents.  When my son comes home from Chicago I am going to give him a big hug which I admit I was scared to give him the last time he was home.

Fear will no longer trump my grandaughter laying on my chest while I read a book while she lives the life we all enjoyed as kids. 

By the way I wonder how many are troubled by crowds gathering and not worried about the teenage kid dropping a handle full of ketchup packets in their takeout bag.

Got my haircut. It was fine except Skip Bayless was on the TV trying to argue Patrick Mahomes is overrated. 

All the numbers we are getting will eventually be combed through and most of these fear mongerers are going to look stupid.

I am sick of hearing about positive tests......how about how many people are actually sick from it?  Already established that upwards of 40% of people dont even have symptoms or mild cold like symptoms.

posted by friendfromlowry

Got my haircut. It was fine except Skip Bayless was on the TV trying to argue Patrick Mahomes is overrated. 

Got a haircut today as well.

Clear shower curtains between each chair. All barbers wearing masks. My head feels a lot lighter.

Had my first draft beer in 2+ months today, Yuengling. Was refreshing.

No haircut for me.

posted by Spock

I am sick of hearing about positive tests......how about how many people are actually sick from it?  Already established that upwards of 40% of people dont even have symptoms or mild cold like symptoms.

 

 

Smart people understand that the large number of asymptomatic carriers is a large part of why this virus is so dangerous. Not surprised that you don't get it.

Dinner and beer at a local brewery tonight. People are out. Almost feels normal. Almost. 

Traffic definitely feels back to normal, which sucks.

also, SHIT IT GOT PATRICK EWING 

Ewing in the hospital....hopefully it doesn’t get too bad for him

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/georgetown-coach-knicks-legend-patrick-ewing-has-coronavirus/

Sounds promising at least 

posted by Ironman92

https://nypost.com/2020/05/22/georgetown-coach-knicks-legend-patrick-ewing-has-coronavirus/

Sounds promising at least 

He's got some risk factors working against him, though.  About the only option you have is to check into the hospital so you can be administered the hydroxy cocktail under medical supervision.

Or you can stick tree bark up your ass like Chris Cuomo, or bathe in bleach like his wife (LOL, I doubt these stories are true but too funny not to share).

posted by queencitybuckeye

Smart people understand that the large number of asymptomatic carriers is a large part of why this virus is so dangerous. Not surprised that you don't get it.

I hate to ever agree with CC, but the numbers of asymptomatic carriers we are now understanding to be realistic (30-40 times the actual reported cases) leads to believe the death rate and how bad this virus is is WAY overstated. 
 

One California/USC study and one study in NY showed you can multiply the actual cases by 30-40, as they tested random samples of people for the antibodies. 
 

If these studies are right, that means 48 MILLION people in the US have had it already which takes the death rate from 6% down to 0.2%. 
 

posted by jmog

I hate to ever agree with CC, but the numbers of asymptomatic carriers we are now understanding to be realistic (30-40 times the actual reported cases) leads to believe the death rate and how bad this virus is is WAY overstated. 
 

One California/USC study and one study in NY showed you can multiply the actual cases by 30-40, as they tested random samples of people for the antibodies. 
 

If these studies are right, that means 48 MILLION people in the US have had it already which takes the death rate from 6% down to 0.2%. 
 

 

You agreed with CC...auto loss

posted by jmog

I hate to ever agree with CC, but the numbers of asymptomatic carriers we are now understanding to be realistic (30-40 times the actual reported cases) leads to believe the death rate and how bad this virus is is WAY overstated. 
 

One California/USC study and one study in NY showed you can multiply the actual cases by 30-40, as they tested random samples of people for the antibodies. 
 

If these studies are right, that means 48 MILLION people in the US have had it already which takes the death rate from 6% down to 0.2%. 
 

 

Haven't we know this for a while now? Also, we are approaching 100k deaths in 3 months. Which is still WAY worse than the flu like CC's people liked to believe. We took extreme caution and are still far away from normalcy. Do you personally think we even need to social distance or should everything just be the same as it was pre corona?

Got a haircut (only 1 hairdresser and only person in store and wore mask, it was glorious) and drove to the mountains yesterday. Shit ton of traffic. 

posted by jmog

I hate to ever agree with CC, but the numbers of asymptomatic carriers we are now understanding to be realistic (30-40 times the actual reported cases) leads to believe the death rate and how bad this virus is is WAY overstated. 
 

One California/USC study and one study in NY showed you can multiply the actual cases by 30-40, as they tested random samples of people for the antibodies. 
 

If these studies are right, that means 48 MILLION people in the US have had it already which takes the death rate from 6% down to 0.2%. 
 

 

The actual death rate will always be an estimate and will not be a remotely accurate estimate until a couple of years after the virus is gone or all but gone. Absolute wrong stat to guide policy.

Ewing is out of the hospital