posted by kizer permanenteYou'd think since Trump was the best president ever and strongest economically they'd have been chomping at the bit to get it out before the election? Strange.
Or the vaccine maker was playing politics with it and its been ready for months and they waited.
or they were too busy to worry about the election and today is the day the product was ready for the announcement.
Not everyone is a partisan hack.
I am amazed that the COVID didn’t disappear right after the election
posted by SpockOr the vaccine maker was playing politics with it and its been ready for months and they waited.
Okay Alex Jones.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieOkay Alex Jones.
He is right way more then CNN is
posted by iclfan2Great news about a vaccine. SHOCKED at the timing of it.
LMAO. I'm guessing the folks at Pfizer were a little more concerned with SEC laws and actually confirming their research. I'm also not sure how a vaccine we've all known for months was coming would have moved the needle in any meaningful way.
Anyway, 90% effective is great news. Hopefully some other candidates are even more effective. Fingers crossed that one of the single dose candidates is the silver bullet.
posted by SpockHe is right way more then CNN is
Quoted: A moron.
But here's the big question: Pfizer wasn't part of Operation Warp Speed and didn't take a dime in federal money. So I have no idea who they're going to sell those doses to. They claim they'll be able to immunize 15-20M people by the end of the year.
posted by queencitybuckeyeor they were too busy to worry about the election and today is the day the product was ready for the announcement.
Not everyone is a partisan hack.
The amount of money involved...the ENTIRE MARKET rallied 5% on this news. You go to jail when you make news like this without having all your ducks in a row.
Big deal to be first. It IS a race, especially for someone like Pfizer that didn't have a govt partnership in this.
posted by gutBut here's the big question: Pfizer wasn't part of Operation Warp Speed and didn't take a dime in federal money. So I have no idea who they're going to sell those doses to. They claim they'll be able to immunize 15-20M people by the end of the year.
"WASHINGTON — As nations around the world race to lock up coronavirus vaccines even before they are ready, the Trump administration on Wednesday made one of the largest investments yet, announcing a nearly $2 billion contract with Pfizer and a German biotechnology company for 100 million doses by December.
The contract is part of what the White House calls the Warp Speed project, an effort to drastically shorten the time it would take to manufacture and distribute a working vaccine."
posted by iclfan2"WASHINGTON — As nations around the world race to lock up coronavirus vaccines even before they are ready, the Trump administration on Wednesday made one of the largest investments yet, announcing a nearly $2 billion contract with Pfizer and a German biotechnology company for 100 million doses by December.
The contract is part of what the White House calls the Warp Speed project
Well, that's fascinating. I assumed they were part of Warp Speed, but then I read this. This quote is from an SVP and head of vaccine research at Pfizer (i.e. the proverbial "horses mouth"):
"Operation Warp Speed, the federal effort to rush a vaccine to market, has promised Pfizer $1.95 billion to deliver 100 million doses to the federal government, which will be given to Americans free of charge. But Dr. Jansen sought to distance the company from Operation Warp Speed and presidential politics, noting that the company — unlike the other vaccine front-runners — did not take any federal money to help pay for research and development.
“We were never part of the Warp Speed,” she said. “We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”
Pfizer didn’t take anything to develop it. But they signed a nearly $2B contract to sell to government when it was ready. I haven’t seen if they get that sale even if they aren’t first?
posted by Laley23Pfizer didn’t take anything to develop it. But they signed a nearly $2B contract to sell to government when it was ready. I haven’t seen if they get that sale even if they aren’t first?
I have no idea if they actually signed a contract or not, I'll take your word for it. Too much risk involved in failure to move at this pace without govt guarantees.
It's just a very odd statement from Dr. Jansen, and appears to be carefully worded. It may be as simple as wanting to distance themselves from Trump, since the politics of it all have undermined confidence in the vaccine.
Or it could be corporate greed in action. "Yeah, the price was $2B when we thought it would probably be worthless, but this thing really works great!!!!"
posted by SpockOr the vaccine maker was playing politics with it and its been ready for months and they waited.
“Sniff sniff, why didn’t they have the vaccine ready before the election. Then Trump would have won 😢😢😢😢😢”
posted by SpockHe is right way more then CNN is
Go teach dodge ball. Its a good thing gym grades are easy to figure out, as percentages are not your thing.
Neither is reality based on this post.
posted by gutThe amount of money involved...the ENTIRE MARKET rallied 5% on this news. You go to jail when you make news like this without having all your ducks in a row.
Big deal to be first. It IS a race, especially for someone like Pfizer that didn't have a govt partnership in this.
Kind of known about phizer for a month or more but couldn't say anything about it as we are under a confidentiality agreement.
Our company is engineering millions of dollars of equipment for the ramping up of this program. We had the order a month ago and they needed the design and fabrication done by the end of the year, specifically for the vaccine they were going to have done.
Also working with another company that specifically makes the ampules (little glass tubes) that hold medicine/vaccines and ramping up their glass melting/producing facilities in Q1 of 2021 as they know production of their ampules will increase by a lot come Q1. This project is one I am directly working as it involves oxygen/natural gas combustion in the glass melting furnaces.
Our engineering office literally tried to say no to phizer because with the economy coming back so well we were drowning in work. They kept raising their price they would pay until we said yes and basically had to tell other customers they would not be getting their systems until Jan/Feb. It would be like going to the car dealer and wanting an F150 for $40,000 MSRP but they are sold out for the next 3 months. You keep upping how much you will pay until you can get one ahead of someone else and you end up paying $100,000 for the same F150, but you get it in a few weeks and someone else doesn't get theirs until January.
posted by friendfromlowry“Sniff sniff, why didn’t they have the vaccine ready before the election. Then Trump would of won 😢😢😢😢😢”
posted by jmogKind of known about phizer for a month or more but couldn't say anything about it as we are under a confidentiality agreement.
Really we've all known about it. Well, maybe not the people who get their pandemic porn exclusively from CNN. But I've been anxiously waiting to hear about effectiveness.
I think they said "at least 90% effective". Not sure what the models or CI's look like, but I believe it's 96 cases out of 22,000 vaccinated in the trial, which is something like 0.4% of the total. Except who knows how that translates to several months in the real world with no covid restrictions. But 50-60% like the flu vaccine wasn't going to get it done. This is truly incredible, great news.
posted by friendfromlowry“Sniff sniff, why didn’t they have the vaccine ready before the election. Then Trump would have won 😢😢😢😢😢”
Since it's CC, it should be "Then Trump would of won".
3 team basketball scrimmage Saturday....one of visiting players tested positive today and wiped out every player that was on the court at any point with him over the 8 quarters.
My son somehow avoided the quarantine but then got the call this afternoon that the random kid behind the plastic shields of the table and the kid doesn’t eat, just sits there with mask on and reads....that kid got him quarantined.
Silly stuff
It got Coach Izzo.
And he said no one has been more cautious than him. Has no idea how or where he could have gotten it.
The best thing is 90% effective lets us go back to normal not a new normal. For them to receive the 2 billion from the US they have to deliver this year.
We should have enough doses for the US population by mid 2021 as long as distribution goes right. I hope Biden keeps with Trumps plan to use the Army for distribution they are actually good at supply chain management be cause if they get behind they just call for more people instead of having to hire and train people privat
posted by sportchamppsThe best thing is 90% effective lets us go back to normal not a new normal. For them to receive the 2 billion from the US they have to deliver this year.
We should have enough doses for the US population by mid 2021 as long as distribution goes right. I hope Biden keeps with Trumps plan to use the Army for disruption they are actually good at supply chain management be cause if they get behind they just call for more people instead of having to hire and train people privat
Trump and disruption. That’s about right
posted by friendfromlowry“Sniff sniff, why didn’t they have the vaccine ready before the election. Then Trump would have won 😢😢😢😢😢”
“Sniff sniff why didn’t they have the vaxine ready befor the election than Trump would of one and I woulda made my wife nut 😥😥😥😥”
There, made it more Spock authentic.
posted by sportchamppsHopefully it's already been addressed, but one thing I haven't heard or seen is how this is going to work globally? Are we going to get Pfizer's first 100M doses that roll off the line, or do we get like 25% of what they can produce and the rest is going to Canada, Britain, etc?We should have enough doses for the US population by mid 2021 as long as distribution goes right. I hope Biden keeps with Trumps plan to use the Army for distribution they are actually good at supply chain management