posted by ernest_t_bass

No, and if what I typed interprets that way, then I apologize.  There are, however, many Christians who are ridiculed and "shamed" because of their Christian faith.  In my opinion, it doesn't compare to the ridicule that Islam receives, but that doesn't make it right.  

Like who? This is a serious question. The only ones i see catch heat is when they try to project their beliefs on others ie gay bashing/abortion ect

Depends on where you live, I guess.  I don't see it on a daily basis b/c I live in the midwest.  But say you're a "christian" to a far left'er, and you'll probably get the same response as you would from a far right'er, when saying you're Muslim.

Have you seen the Silicon Valley episode to which I'm referencing?  It's definitely bashing the Christian faith.

posted by geeblock

Christianity is under attack? 

297 Christians massacred last week.

No big deal.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

297 Christians massacred last week.

 

No big deal.

 

Trumpers for Sri Lanka. It would make a nice bumper sticker. It’s actually not a big deal because their skin was brown. It was covered for about 1 day on Fox 

posted by geeblock

Trumpers for Sri Lanka. It would make a nice bumper sticker. It’s actually not a big deal because their skin was brown. It was covered for about 1 day on Fox 

I've seen a lot of coverage about it. Sorry the facts don't fit your narrative, but that no longer seems to matter.

posted by geeblock

Trumpers for Sri Lanka. It would make a nice bumper sticker. It’s actually not a big deal because their skin was brown. It was covered for about 1 day on Fox 

So Christians are not being slaughtered then?  I’m confused.

posted by geeblock

Trumpers for Sri Lanka. It would make a nice bumper sticker. It’s actually not a big deal because their skin was brown. It was covered for about 1 day on Fox 

The topic was on religion. Skin color was not mentioned until you brought it up.

posted by QuakerOats

 

So Christians are not being slaughtered then?  I’m confused.

If I understand it right, they are "Trumpers," therefore it is justified?  Or they don't matter?  I guess I don't get it either.

I believe he was talking about Christians being under attack in America for their views not physical attacks in foreign countries. Yes in foreign countries where Christians make up less than 1% of the population they do get attacked. In the us 95% of the population probably identifies as Christian and it is widely the most popular religion and is not under attack except for the fanatics.  I don’t watch much news so I’ll take your word for it. They may have squeezed it in between an AOC story and another AOC story on Fox. It certainly isn’t being covered now. It for sure got less coverage than the Notre Dame church burning down 

Also, for the record, I hate religion and what the human race has made of it.

I despise organized religion but am not against the idea of there being a god. I go back and forth in that one. I don’t believe that people burn in hell for eternity or go to heaven and look down on you. 

posted by geeblock

In the us 95% of the population probably identifies as Christian and it is widely the most popular religion and is not under attack except for the fanatics.

Eh, there are cases in which people would prefer to be left alone to practice their faith, and it does come under some scrutiny, but I certainly agree that almost none of it in the US is to any significant degree.  When I hear other Christians refer to any opposition they face as "persecution," I gag a little.  Most of those people don't know what "persecution" means.

Also, the number isn't 95%, and it depends largely on what you mean by it (I saw one survey where more people identified as "Christian" than believe in God, for example), but it definitely is the majority still.
 

posted by geeblock

I despise organized religion but am not against the idea of there being a god. I go back and forth in that one. I don’t believe that people burn in hell for eternity or go to heaven and look down on you. 

On that last point, most thoughtful Christians would agree with you.  On the former, there's debate, so it's not necessarily an exhaustive belief among Christians.

Service providers who refuse service based on non-market, non-business forces (ie, personal reasons).

Sure, they have the right to do it, as they should.

It's not smart, though.

posted by ernest_t_bass

If I understand it right, they are "Trumpers," therefore it is justified?  Or they don't matter?  I guess I don't get it either.

The trumper is QO. Pretending to care about Christians in Sri Lanka to fit the narrative that Christians in the us are under some type of attack or adversity is what I was saying.  

I just made the 95% number up as a guess. I think everyone should believe what you want and allow others to do the same. If you don’t believe in abortion don’t get one. If you are against gay marriage marry a person of the opposite sex. It’s pretty easy. You have a right to refuse service if you don’t want to make the gay cake, but if I hear about it I won’t buy a cake there. It’s pretty easy. And I agree it’s not a smart business move at all imo 

Well, IMO, Christians being mocked (which has always happened) is not the same thing as being persecuted or dealing with persecution. So I don't think it's THAT big of a deal.
What is more noticeable is that usually the same people who mock Christianity rarely if ever mock Islam. In fact, there's only a handful of people that I know of who have the balls to do it. As a Christian myself, I have to say that in an oddly weird way I respect equal opportunity mockers lol!

posted by geeblock

I just made the 95% number up as a guess. I think everyone should believe what you want and allow others to do the same. If you don’t believe in abortion don’t get one. If you are against gay marriage marry a person of the opposite sex. It’s pretty easy. You have a right to refuse service if you don’t want to make the gay cake, but if I hear about it I won’t buy a cake there. It’s pretty easy. And I agree it’s not a smart business move at all imo 

See, the trouble arises when you apply the same logic to, "If you don't want to help pay for SNAP/WIC, or if you don't believe that Social Security is the right way to invest for retirement, don't give money toward those."

It's generally the same logic.  We've just decided, arbitrarily, which is and isn't acceptable, even though neither actively impede another's ability to make the same choices.
 

posted by CenterBHSFan

Well, IMO, Christians being mocked (which has always happened) is not the same thing as being persecuted or dealing with persecution. So I don't think it's THAT big of a deal.
What is more noticeable is that usually the same people who mock Christianity rarely if ever mock Islam. In fact, there's only a handful of people that I know of who have the balls to do it. As a Christian myself, I have to say that in an oddly weird way I respect equal opportunity mockers lol!

Same here.  I don't mind someone who mocks everyone.  It feels less personal.

I mean, if it's funny, it's funny.  Even if it is about people like me.  I've got thick enough skin that mocking rarely bothers me anyway, but I certainly find more camaraderie with someone who mocks everyone.

Hmmm... I not sure I’m getting there with that analogy. Putting your beliefs on someone and making a law saying YOU can’t get an abortion because I believe it’s wrong just doesn’t get me there.

posted by geeblock

Hmmm... I not sure I’m getting there with that analogy. Putting your beliefs on someone and making a law saying YOU can’t get an abortion because I believe it’s wrong just doesn’t get me there.

Does that also apply to murder? 

posted by FatHobbit

Does that also apply to murder? 

Don’t be deft 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Stating Robert E. Lee was a great general.

No. No he wasn't. He was a good field general, sure, but a terrible overall theater general. 

Maybe it is because I work in VA and his shit is everywhere, but it is pretty annoying. 

Compared to U. Grant he was a genius. Realistically the Union just has more troops, more guns, more $$. The war was an inevitable conclusion no matter who was the Confederate General. 

But Lee was a good General, one would be denying history to say he wasn’t. 

Make no mistake, he was fighting on the wrong side morally, I am just talking about battle tactics. 

posted by ernest_t_bass

No, and if what I typed interprets that way, then I apologize.  There are, however, many Christians who are ridiculed and "shamed" because of their Christian faith.  In my opinion, it doesn't compare to the ridicule that Islam receives, but that doesn't make it right.  

More Christians killed by Muslims in terrorist attacks over the last whatever years than Muslims killed by Christians. You wouldn’t know this if you watched any thing other than maybe Fox however. 

posted by geeblock

Like who? This is a serious question. The only ones i see catch heat is when they try to project their beliefs on others ie gay bashing/abortion

Sri Lanka, the dozens of churches in France that have been torched (ND was an accident, rest were intentional by local Muslims), etc.

The problem with your other statement is this. If it were only the Christians who hold the signs “God hates fags” and are intentionally gross/idiotic outside abortion clinics then I would agree with you.

However, with the modern left/media if a Christian says that homosexuality is a sin, according to the Bible, they they are labeled homophobic and a bigot.  That is ridiculous and you should agree that it is really.

posted by geeblock

I just made the 95% number up as a guess. I think everyone should believe what you want and allow others to do the same. If you don’t believe in abortion don’t get one. If you are against gay marriage marry a person of the opposite sex. It’s pretty easy. You have a right to refuse service if you don’t want to make the gay cake, but if I hear about it I won’t buy a cake there. It’s pretty easy. And I agree it’s not a smart business move at all imo 

Your first statement about abortion to Christians, who believe the fetus is a life, is like saying “if you don’t like murder, then don’t murder anyone.  Let others murder if they like.”

pro-life Christians view it as a baby, as a life and so that is why they are passionate about not allowing it to be killed. 

Your statement about homosexuality is actually how the majority of Christians view it. It’s a sin but they stay out of the politics of it. The problem for most with your next statement about the cake is that your view of how it should have happened isn’t what happened. You said the baker should be allowed to refuse and you can refuse to give him/her business. That is how nearly all Christians thought it should have gone down. The baker can choose as long as he knows he may lose to business. 

That isn’t what happened and that’s what Christians called “persecution” when he got sued, shut down for awhile by the government, etc. (can’t remember the whole story). 

posted by geeblock

Hmmm... I not sure I’m getting there with that analogy. Putting your beliefs on someone and making a law saying YOU can’t get an abortion because I believe it’s wrong just doesn’t get me there.

I believe murder, theft, rape, etc are wrong, should we not have laws on these things because they are all my beliefs (and actually stem from the Judeo-Christian Bible)?

Your logic is flawed. You have to understand that to a pro-lifer it is killing a living baby. Just like they believe murder is wrong, they believe abortion is as well. 

You take almost anything that is illegal and morally wrong and put it in your analogy and it may make you realize why they are fervent in their pro life beliefs.