Uhhh....ever worked in sales? 

posted by Spock

No....no i didn't.  Other jobs dont evaluate on an individual basis how well their co workers do and then apply that to their evaluation.

 

That's exactly how every company evaluates employees - at least all of the ones I've ever worked for.  You get evaluated in part on your own performance and in part on the entire company's performance (how well co-workers do).

posted by Devils Advocate

People that feel the need to correct spelling or grammar  because they have no valid argument in

the first place 

Oh, come on.  It's part of the running joke.  ;)
 

posted by Spock

No....no i didn't.  Other jobs dont evaluate on an individual basis how well their co workers do and then apply that to their evaluation.

My guess is that you haven't worked in sales, customer support, marketing, the medical field, legal, or even manufacturing.

Every. Single. One of those fields does indeed do evaluations based on how you compare to your peers' performance.

Distribution centers, construction management, civil engineering...the list goes on.

So, it looks like "stupid people who whine about their job while showing no actual knowledge about how the world of employment works in general" might not outrage people, but at least is good for a laugh or two.

I'm still laughing about the whole "other fields don't have to take classes to stay employed" part because it's as hilariously ignorant as the "we're the only ones judged off what others do" bit. Might not be COLLEGE classes, but I have a friend who is an electrician who has repeatedly undergone training classes, both to improve his skill set for future employment opportunities and to keep up to date with technology (Bonus Points: He was pissed off at some co-workers a few weeks back because they were on a job as a team and other guys were slacking, making the boss annoyed because THE TEAM wasn't getting shit done in his preferred time-frame -- meaning his personal performance was tied into how the rest of his co-workers were doing). And another, older, friend who retired early from Xerox because of how copy machine technology changed to be more computerized/button-pushing and he was at the "I'd be retiring in 5 or so years anyway, have money saved and good investments, so fuck learning how to fix a completely new style of machine" point.

posted by Spock

fourth......what you call a salary isnt what a teacher brings home to live off of.  After retirement, taxes, benefits.....no teacher brings home more than 60% of their salary.  Its more like 45%

Lastly, is being an educator the most important job in our society.....yes it is.  You think you would want the brightest and best.  Paying them scraps doesnt do that.

1) I am also an educator.  I have 15 years in, so I assume fewer than you.  I know what I make, and I know how it stacks up to other career fields as well as other school districts.  I'm paid JUST FINE for what I do.  Heck, most of the times I think I almost make too much.

2) We are paid for 185 days of work.  Take your daily wage and multiply it by an arbitrary 260 (52 weeks * 5 days in a week).  What do you make now?  You are NOT PAID SCRAPS. 

CC, the only thing you do with your idiotic rants is prove to people everything they already think about teachers (and you).

posted by Spock

Sure is the schedule nice, yes it is.  

Solid education on display, right here.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

That's exactly how every company evaluates employees - at least all of the ones I've ever worked for.  You get evaluated in part on your own performance and in part on the entire company's performance (how well co-workers do).

Imagine living in CC's reality, where he thinks this only applies to teachers LOL.

posted by Heretic

So, it looks like "stupid people who whine about their job while showing no actual knowledge about how the world of employment works in general" might not outrage people, but at least is good for a laugh or two.

I'm still laughing about the whole "other fields don't have to take classes to stay employed" part because it's as hilariously ignorant as the "we're the only ones judged off what others do" bit. Might not be COLLEGE classes, but I have a friend who is an electrician who has repeatedly undergone training classes, both to improve his skill set for future employment opportunities and to keep up to date with technology (Bonus Points: He was pissed off at some co-workers a few weeks back because they were on a job as a team and other guys were slacking, making the boss annoyed because THE TEAM wasn't getting shit done in his preferred time-frame -- meaning his personal performance was tied into how the rest of his co-workers were doing). And another, older, friend who retired early from Xerox because of how copy machine technology changed to be more computerized/button-pushing and he was at the "I'd be retiring in 5 or so years anyway, have money saved and good investments, so fuck learning how to fix a completely new style of machine" point.

My career field, not only is a masters encouraged to move up the ladder, but we also have to get multiple certifications with multiple levels.  Once all of that is completed, we still have to seek out 80 hours of training every 2 years.  Training where you are actually tested on the material and have to pass to get your credit hours. 

CC finding out that almost every employer in this country operates the same way might be the funniest shit on this site for the past 6 or so months.  

posted by like_that

To piggy off this post and to go along the theme of this thread, I will add teachers that bitch about their career in general. Out of all career fields this one has the most pissing and moaning. Even in college the education majors tend to cry the most. 

+1. When I had Facebook, a couple girls I went to school with went on to be middle school teachers and they were constantly posting memes about how many days until Christmas/summer break, how the students were driving them crazy, etc. I'm sure being a teacher has its challenges but every job does and no one wants to hear about it all the time so shut the fuck up. 

i thought he delivered pizzas or something 

Yeah, the whole "teachers are the only ones doing professional development" is incredibly short sighted and hilarious.  Jesus, CC.

Engagement rings and diamonds is the latest outrage

Placing the dollar sign 56$ after the number outrages me.

posted by like_that

Placing the dollar sign 56$ after the number outrages me.

On that note, people who put the dollar sign in front, but still add the word 'dollars' at the end.  It enrage me. 

posted by like_that

Placing the dollar sign 56$ after the number outrages me.

This might be foreign, but I don’t get MM for million. Like wtf do you need 2 Ms for?

posted by iclfan2

This might be foreign, but I don’t get MM for million. Like wtf do you need 2 Ms for?

I think it's to be used in the case of multiple millions. 

Eg. 

1M

2MM

posted by O-Trap

I think it's to be used in the case of multiple millions. 

LOL, no.

"M" is the roman numeral for thousands.

300M = 300,000

300MM = 300 million.

But in practice most people use "k" for thousands, and "M" or "mm" for millions.

posted by gut

LOL, no.

"M" is the roman numeral for thousands.

300M = 300,000

300MM = 300 million.

But in practice most people use "k" for thousands, and "M" or "mm" for millions.

I wasn't exactly committed to that.  It just seemed to be how I'd seen it used.

posted by O-Trap

I wasn't exactly committed to that.  It just seemed to be how I'd seen it used.

Torched.

posted by ernest_t_bass

Torched.

Apparently.  Damn.

posted by O-Trap

I think it's to be used in the case of multiple millions. 

 

Eg. 

1M

2MM

No, its used as a mathematical term.

one "M" is 1000, so MM is like 1000x1000 or 1 million.

The "M" for 1000 is slowly going away and toward "k" which is basically metric. (km=1000m).

As a combustion engineer, natural gas flows/energy will always be MMBtu/h (million british thermal units per hour). 

Gut is right, the original "M" came from the idea of M for Roman numerals is 1000. Roman's didn't have a letter for a number bigger than 1000, so a million had to be improvised, which is why we use MM.

https://www.accountingcoach.com/blog/what-does-m-and-mm-stand-for

posted by jmog

No, its used as a mathematical term.

 

one "M" is 1000, so MM is like 1000x1000 or 1 million.

 

The "M" for 1000 is slowly going away and toward "k" which is basically metric. (km=1000m).

 

As a combustion engineer, natural gas flows/energy will always be MMBtu/h (million british thermal units per hour). 

 

https://www.accountingcoach.com/blog/what-does-m-and-mm-stand-for

Huh.  I learned something new today.

Not really outraging me but still something I hear about sometimes and it baffles me. My coworker and I work night shift. She was telling me the other day how her boyfriend, who is also the father of her 2 year old daughter doesn't like being around the little girl for more than a few hours at a time. My coworker will get off work around 0730am, go home and wait for the girl to wake up, feed her, then she gets to lay down for a few hours before her boyfriend will want her to wake up and resume taking care of the daughter. Can't believe how disinterested (and inconsiderate to their spouses) some people can be with their kids. Maybe the boyfriend is secretly Tiernan. 

posted by Spock

First off, tenure doesnt exist anymore.

Secondly, how would you like to be evaluated  on how other people do?

Third, we have huge requirements on a yearly basis on professional development.  I am sure that most college grads arent required to continually take college courses to stay employed.

fourth......what you call a salary isnt what a teacher brings home to live off of.  After retirement, taxes, benefits.....no teacher brings home more than 60% of their salary.  Its more like 45%

Lastly, is being an educator the most important job in our society.....yes it is.  You think you would want the brightest and best.  Paying them scraps doesnt do that.

Sure is the schedule nice, yes it is.  

1. Your description of being evaluated on how other people perform is a description of any job that has EVER managed a single other person. On top of that as an engineer, my bonus/pay is affected every year by how my whole group does, not just me. So you did just describe most degreed professionals. Teachers are finally just getting this applied to them, we have been dealing with it for decades. Congratulations.

2. If anyone wants to progress in their career past an entry level position they do have to take classes, work on a MS, MBA, etc. It isn't a REQUIREMENT, which I do feel or teachers there, but if you want to get any promotions you will take classes.

3. Your complaint about how much goes to taxes/retirement/benefits/etc is laughable. Just because teachers just recently had to start putting their own money into these things and can now see how expensive they are, doesn't mean the rest of us haven't been dealing with it for decades.

4. Teachers aren't paid scraps, pretty much ONLY teachers believe this. A typical worker in the US has 2 weeks vacation and gets about 10 holidays. Thats 20 days off of the 260 weekdays. 240/185 is 1.3. So a typical professional works 30% more time/days than a teacher, so add 30% to your salary to get an idea if you are paid fairly. And yes, professionals work 50-60 hour work weeks so don't give me the "we have to grade papers at night" crap.

5. You teach dodgeball, not that important in the grand scheme of things. If you taught math or science I would agree with your "one of the most important careers" statement.

posted by Spock

No....no i didn't.  Other jobs dont evaluate on an individual basis how well their co workers do and then apply that to their evaluation.

 

100% incorrect, have you ever had a degreed professional job outside of education?