posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Hearings are one thing, a special prosecutor looking into criminality is quite another.  When you potentially have a coup attempt against a duly elected president, after you had the highest levels of the FBI and DoJ spying on American citizens and a presidential campaign team, ostensibly at the behest of the opposition, then by God you damn well better investigate it with a special prosecutor.

I bet this goes over well with the ladies. It’s over my political head lol but it sounds very Tin hatty imo

posted by geeblock

Responses to the smollet case are almost identical to the mueller report responses. if you were on his side before the verdict you see this as complete vindication that he was not guilty, if you thought he was guilty you still definitively think he is guilty and got away with it.  or as stated its chicago so there is that.

The prosecutor literally has come out and said they would have convicted him, it just wasn't worth their time for the punishment (supposedly). So there is no doubt he is guilty and made the whole thing up. Wealthy privilege > white privilege 

posted by iclfan2

The prosecutor literally has come out and said they would have convicted him, it just wasn't worth their time for the punishment (supposedly). So there is no doubt he is guilty and made the whole thing up. Wealthy privilege > white privilege 

In 5 years we wont have a criminal justice system in these big cities.  It will be lawlessness.

posted by iclfan2

The prosecutor literally has come out and said they would have convicted him, it just wasn't worth their time for the punishment (supposedly). So there is no doubt he is guilty and made the whole thing up. Wealthy privilege > white privilege 

And the FBI is now looking into why the case was dropped. 

posted by SportsAndLady

And the FBI is now looking into why the case was dropped. 

And once Michelle Obama's office gets involved again, the FBI will drop it as well.

posted by SportsAndLady

And the FBI is now looking into why the case was dropped. 

more taxpayers dollars wasted.

posted by wkfan

And once Michelle Obama's office gets involved again, the FBI will drop it as well.

Well, there is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCumu9PDxgw

Lord

posted by QuakerOats

 

Well, there is this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCumu9PDxgw

 

Lord

and now we know why he isnt going to prison.  Not what you know, its who you know.

So various publications are starting to throw the "alt-right" label on conservatives, most notably Ben Shapiro. Shapiro is an orthodox Jew who receives death threats from white nationalists and the like. The Economist is the just latest one to do it and after much public backlash they retracted that label. 

Does everything have to result in a huge public backlash before publications will truthfully report?

Sad state of affairs.  I don’t recall such personal hatred emanating from conservatives during obama’s term, as we see from the left today regarding Trump.  Yes many, including me, argued intensely against his policies and actions, but it was with the good of the republic in mind.  Today, regardless of whether anything Trump does or might do, it is DOA and all because of personal hatred and incredible bitterness from losing the election.  I see no end to it.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Sad state of affairs.  I don’t recall such personal hatred emanating from conservatives during obama’s term, as we see from the left today regarding Trump.  Yes many, including me, argued intensely against his policies and actions, but it was with the good of the republic in mind.  Today, regardless of whether anything Trump does or might do, it is DOA and all because of personal hatred and incredible bitterness from losing the election.  I see no end to it.

You have a bad memory 

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Sad state of affairs.  I don’t recall such personal hatred emanating from conservatives during obama’s term, as we see from the left today regarding Trump.  Yes many, including me, argued intensely against his policies and actions, but it was with the good of the republic in mind.  Today, regardless of whether anything Trump does or might do, it is DOA and all because of personal hatred and incredible bitterness from losing the election.  I see no end to it.

LOL. What bullshit. You had people, the now President included, claiming the former President was not born in this country and closet Muslim that was pro Sharia law.

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Sad state of affairs.  I don’t recall such personal hatred emanating from conservatives during obama’s term, as we see from the left today regarding Trump.  Yes many, including me, argued intensely against his policies and actions, but it was with the good of the republic in mind.  Today, regardless of whether anything Trump does or might do, it is DOA and all because of personal hatred and incredible bitterness from losing the election.  I see no end to it.

LOL

posted by ptown_trojans_1

LOL. What bullshit. You had people, the now President included, claiming the former President was not born in this country and closet Muslim that was pro Sharia law.

And most of those people, current President included, were fools.  It was not remotely mainstream conservative media.  It was mostly a fringe group.  Not comparable, at all, to the current climate.

posted by gut

And most of those people, current President included, were fools.  It was not remotely mainstream conservative media.  It was mostly a fringe group.  Not comparable, at all, to the current climate.

Oh come on. It was plastered all over Fox News and the tea party. Spare me with the oh they are worse now. We have been in this cycle since Clinton in the 90s. 

obama wore a tan suit and people lost their shit.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Oh come on. It was plastered all over Fox News and the tea party. Spare me with the oh they are worse now. We have been in this cycle since Clinton in the 90s. 

LOL, no it wasn't.  That's fake news.  It was Trump, Cruz, a few fringe players and a bunch of Breitbart idiots.  That's it.  No one won a frickin' pulitzer for that bullshit.

There has never been anything like 90%+ coverage of a POTUS being negative.  Same people who' harshest criticism of Obama was usually "he isn't liberal enough".

Trump brought most of it on himself i dont see him as a victim.  I think he likes the attention and routinely stokes the fire

posted by geeblock

Trump brought most of it on himself i dont see him as a victim.  I think he likes the attention and routinely stokes the fire

So a couple posts ago you said it was "even" now you may not believe it is "even" but instead "well Trump deserves it anyway"? So which is it?

posted by geeblock

Trump brought most of it on himself i dont see him as a victim.  I think he likes the attention and routinely stokes the fire

I think the media is secretly happy there was no collusion.  They'll be even happier if he gets re-elected.  Yes, he practically saved MSNBC and CNN.

I also think Trump's people are behind some of the fake news - they easily dupe the useful idiots in the media, and then rally his base when Trump is, again, a "victim" of fake news.

posted by jmog

So a couple posts ago you said it was "even" now you may not believe it is "even" but instead "well Trump deserves it anyway"? So which is it?

i dont think trump is a victim. I dont really care if it is even or not.  The assertion was made that people treated obama good and that now the country has lost its mind. I disagreed with that statement. I think people treated obama bad because he was black. Through it all he handled every day of his presidency with class.  There have been republican presidents that had similar policies to trump aka bush.  No one called pubs racist or vilified them. If trump had the exact same policies that he wants now, but spoke like obama and really wanted to be accepted im sure he could have done it.  Instead he trolls on twitter and stokes the flames.  I am asserting that things havent gotten worse in this country and people have stayed relatively the same.  Trump is the difference not the american people. And looking at what i said i actually just said that he had a bad memory and that people got on obama for a tan suit.  Didnt say any of whatever you are asserting i said.  The same people who vilified obama  now are silent as the president golfs and looks like a idiot on twitter daily.

posted by geeblock

i dont think trump is a victim. I dont really care if it is even or not.  The assertion was made that people treated obama good and that now the country has lost its mind. I disagreed with that statement. I think people treated obama bad because he was black. Through it all he handled every day of his presidency with class.  There have been republican presidents that had similar policies to trump aka bush.  No one called pubs racist or vilified them. If trump had the exact same policies that he wants now, but spoke like obama and really wanted to be accepted im sure he could have done it.  Instead he trolls on twitter and stokes the flames.  I am asserting that things havent gotten worse in this country and people have stayed relatively the same.  Trump is the difference not the american people.

If you believe people didn't call Bush racist you forgot about Katrina. The narrative was that the response wasn't as fast as it should have/could have been because that part of Louisiana is mostly african american.

FYI, John McCain got similar "birther" questions since he was technically born in Panama, not in the US (both of his parents were citizens). 

Obama originally got questioned because his father was from and lived in Africa, he spent a majority of his childhood in Indonesia, and only one of his parents was a citizen. 

He didn't get questioned because he was black (unless you are willing to say McCain got questioned because he was white...). Now, the histeria it turned into even after a Birth Cert was provided was ridiculous, obviously. 

There was serious question raised about whether John McCain's status would be considered Constitutionally "a natural born citizen", people tend to forget that because it doesn't fit the narrative that "if you asked about my citizenship then you are racist".

There were plenty of actual racists and their treatment or depiction of Obama (literally saw a few monkey looking "Hope" posters that made me want to kick the shit out of whoever made them). But questioning his place of birth was not one of them. The narrative that "well you wouldn't ask a white President" was completely false with the evidence I stated above with McCain.

I was actually right with your believe that it was "just like it was before, just the other way" until the Kavanaugh hearings. Sorry, but the left went down a road that the right had not and I hope never will with that fiasco. That was the breaking point for me when I realized the left (not the fringe left, the people in Congress) had gone off the deep end.

I felt like most people liked bush but it could be recency affect since he seems more popular now. I didn’t really comment on the birther issue. The golf thing irritates me more as well as Michelle Obama getting slammed for sleeveless shirts when Melania has nude pics out there but is seen as more classy by some. I do understand not all white people hated Obama simply because he was black but there certainly is a double standard to what is acceptable now than 4 years ago 

Trump does bring a bunch of the "victimization" onto himself. I think he does this, partially, as a ploy to troll the media and it works to an astonishing degree. The media always reminds me of Lucy (Trump) insisting Charlie Brown (media) kick the football, only to pull it away at the last second. It happens every single time and I have to wonder when they'll catch on and stop doing it. It would certainly turn the table on him.

But on the other hand, and to a small degree, Trump is a good target for the reasons that was already brought up. He's unlikable, he somehow beat Hillary and he's a huge ratings boost (along with the accompanying ad revenue).

Let's face it, Trump and the media have an abusive and co-dependent relationship. And neither has any real interesting in packing up and leaving it. So the cycle will continue.

posted by jmog

That was the breaking point for me when I realized the left (not the fringe left, the people in Congress) had gone off the deep end.

I wouldn't attribute it all to Trump as we were already trending this direction (Harry Reid stood on the Senate floor, immune from slander charges, and said Romney was a tax cheat), but it prevents Trump/Republicans from taking the high road and truly hammering the fake news.

But it's inconceivable, and alarming, that you have former high-level Obama officials making the media rounds and spreading falsehoods, unchallenged by a sympathetic media.  You have members of Congress doing the same thing.  And the media has always been partisan, but with Trump they seem to have nearly abandoned ethics and integrity.  They don't care - they are no longer journalists, they are the resistance.

And when these news media fail to apologize or look within, then they make it clear they have no interest in changing.  WaPo changed their tagline to "Democracy Dies in Darkness" when Trump got elected....and that's extremely hypocritical for a paper that has virtually abandoned hard journalism.