posted by SportsAndLady

Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. I don’t think his story is 100% accurate. But I’ll wait to hear all the facts before making factual statements on what happened. You’re running with false rumors because it’s what you want to believe. Just admit it. 

You’re never going to hear them because they don’t fit the media narrative.

posted by SportsAndLady

The only people who really care about this are the extreme libs who want so desperately for the attackers to be white MAGA people. And those on the other side who want so desperately for this to be made up by the guy to make people hate MAGA people. That’s it

From the beginning i was skeptical of this for a few reasons.  The long time it took him to report it to police. The fact that he called his agent before the police.  The fact that when the police showed up he still had the noose around his neck and the fact that after this beating and being doused with bleach, he picked up his sandwhich and ate it.  The police found the empty subway wrapper at his house.  It never added up for me

posted by QuakerOats

 

You’re never going to hear them because they don’t fit the media narrative.

How can you honestly say this in the current day-in-age?  If this guy turns out to have lied, it will be made readily available.  Will CNN, MSNBC or the NYT run it?  Maybe not.  But the dozens of sites that align with your political beliefs will wallpaper themselves with it.  You act as though we live in 1984 with one channel.  The only people who are victims of your media conspiracy are people who read sites that you disagree with.  They'd likely say the same about you.  

posted by geeblock

From the beginning i was skeptical of this for a few reasons.

To me it was the idea that at, what 3AM?, some random rednecks decide to grab some bleach and their masks....and head out to Boys Town to randomly target someone?

I wonder where the MAGA part came from.....guessing his agent, so you could put that out there without him ever making that accusation himself.  Because I think it's the MAGA piece that really caused this to go viral, along with the whole "hate crime" aspect of it.

posted by SportsAndLady

The only people who really care about this are the extreme libs who want so desperately for the attackers to be white MAGA people. And those on the other side who want so desperately for this to be made up by the guy to make people hate MAGA people. That’s it

It is kind of funny, though, that NBC breaks the "fake news"....and after CPD disputes the report, the conservative sites continue reporting it as fact (and their end-around the facts is to say "NBC reported....").

posted by thavoice

War is big business.  A lot of tax money is spent on defense and will continue to do so.

It always employs quite a bit of people so I wouldn't be so quick to say just by pulling troops out that the govt is going to all of a sudden have all this extra money to spend on other things.

 

Well, I think it would certainly make a nasty cut to the bureaucracy machine, outside contracting and the munitions empire.

As far as Jussie Smollet goes: He basically said that if you don't believe him you are racist. I'm also skeptical for all of the reasons that geeblock mention. Also the fact that since this story broke he first refused to hand over his phone and still refuses. Instead, he printed out a spread sheet of his activity, heavily redacted it and gave that to the police. In a way I can understand his reluctance to just give the police his personal stuff on his phone. Cops can be creepers too. 

I'll stick with my funsies conspiracy theory, though, until something solid turns up.

posted by CenterBHSFan

 In a way I can understand his reluctance to just give the police his personal stuff on his phone. Cops can be creepers too.

I understand that, too, especially if you're a celebrity.  But I tend to think a victim of a racist and homophobic assault would be so desperate for justice that they would fully cooperate. 

Essentially he's saying his privacy is more important than bringing these assholes to justice....not buying it.

Stranger things have happened, but I find when a story defies credulity that it tends not to be true.  The story sounds more like something out of Mississippi Burning than something that actually would happen in Chicago in 2018 (a.k.a movies vs. reality).

posted by CenterBHSFan

Well, I think it would certainly make a nasty cut to the bureaucracy machine, outside contracting and the munitions empire.

Good thing she wont get elected then.

posted by jmog

No, end of 2018 was bad, I was using average over the 2 years in office. Guarantee your 401k is much better than January 2017. 

It's funny. The losses stand out to me more than the gains.  I looked and even with the terrible end of 2018 I am still up 40% from January 2017. You're right. 

posted by FatHobbit

It's funny. The losses stand out to me more than the gains.

There have been studies done on this, and on average, it takes a $2-3 gain to offset a $1 loss emotionally. I suspect the same applies to winning vs. losing streaks for your teams. A five game winning streak is nice, but when they lose five in a row, a lot of us are ready to break it up and start over.

posted by FatHobbit

It's funny. The losses stand out to me more than the gains.  I looked and even with the terrible end of 2018 I am still up 40% from January 2017. You're right. 

Behavioral economics is really interesting.

It's mind-blowing, for example, that most people will take $1000 guaranteed over a 15% chance to win $10,000.  The latter has a 50% higher expected value, but risk averse people choose the same thing.  But then when we are talking $1, everyone takes the infinitesimal shot to win the lottery.  So it's not just that people don't maximize expected value, it's that risk preferences actually flip.

posted by FatHobbit

It's funny. The losses stand out to me more than the gains.  I looked and even with the terrible end of 2018 I am still up 40% from January 2017. You're right. 

I also think part of it is timing (to go along with how, as was said, losses can be more likely to weigh on a person than gains). Because the end of '18 was bad enough that, regardless of how good the rest of the year was and regardless of how '19 has shown an improvement to start with, those months where I was watching shit going downward are what sticks out to me at the moment. Give me a few more months of growth and I'll likely have forgotten about those bad months, but right now they're the main thing I think of when I think about market finances. And it also was such a departure from how things had been trending. For a long time, at least for me, it was gain, gain, gain, gain with an occasional month that had a small loss here or there. So to have a period where there were notable losses also sticks out because I'd guess if you looked at the past handful of years, that period would be in the "stick out like a sore thumb" realm where they're so different from the norm that they're impossible not to notice.

posted by Heretic

So, to recap:

1. Geeblock used how he hasn't made money to say that no one has made money -- ie: the logical fallacy of using anecdotal evidence to claim something is truth.

And in response:

2. Jmog used how he has made money to say that anyone who has done anything has made money -- ie: the logical fallacy of using anecdotal evidence to claim something is truth.

And that is the Internet in a nutshell.

Did you miss the part when I used the most used/talked about index, the DJIA, to demonstrate that about anyone involved with a 401k or IRA with mutual funds has made money. I used actual evidence to disprove the no one on this site..” comment. Reasonable logical argument was made. 

posted by SportsAndLady

The only people who really care about this are the extreme libs who want so desperately for the attackers to be white MAGA people. And those on the other side who want so desperately for this to be made up by the guy to make people hate MAGA people. That’s it

That isn’t necessarily true. A bunch of fucks have commented on this, including presidential candidates. Of course the derays of the world jumped on it. And they’re all going to look like clowns probably. Wtf is the show Empire anyway?

lol if this is true. CNN reporting he paid those 2 Nigerians to “attack” . Either way no chance his account was ever truthful https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

posted by iclfan2

That isn’t necessarily true. A bunch of fucks have commented on this, including presidential candidates. Of course the derays of the world jumped on it. And they’re all going to look like clowns probably. Wtf is the show Empire anyway?

lol if this is true. CNN reporting he paid those 2 Nigerians to “attack” . Either way no chance his account was ever truthful https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/16/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html

He's probably sitting there shaking his head that Chicago PD not only investigated the incident thoroughly, but tracked down his buddies.  In typical hollywood/actor fashion, just a bit too dramatic with the MAGA and the noose.....

posted by gut

 

In typical hollywood/actor fashion, just a bit too dramatic with the MAGA and the noose.....

It’s hilarious that that’s the stereotype of Trump supporters. And the firefighters in the media didn’t even question it. The newest rumors aren’t in his favor either. 

posted by iclfan2

It’s hilarious that that’s the stereotype of Trump supporters. And the firefighters in the media didn’t even question it. The newest rumors aren’t in his favor either. 

Aside from facing up to 3 years in jail, it will be interesting to see what happens to his career.  Will Hollywood really turn it's back on a gay black man that attempted to exploit that for personal gain?  So much of what the "woke" push isn't exactly real or accurate, so how is what he did all that different? 

But watch - rather than condemn him, people will start excusing him because it's "so tough to be a gay black man".  Might even suggest it's so tough that it triggered some sort of psychological breakdown that led him to do this.  And of course the inevitable "while this was staged, this exact[!] thing happens everyday to gay black men all across America".  So he's "still a victim", they'll just have to spin the story a bit.

He did this because he is getting written off the show.  He knows that if he drums up support because Trump is a racist.....they wont be able to cut him without looking bad.

Looking through all the news outlets this morning........sad situation when DOJ/FBI/Executive branch colluded together to run a coup on Trump and only 2 news outlets have any mention of it.

Our country better wake up and the media needs to do their job or we are going to end up like Russia (oh wait.......they are reporting that)

posted by Spock

Looking through all the news outlets this morning........sad situation when DOJ/FBI/Executive branch colluded together to run a coup on Trump and only 2 news outlets have any mention of it.

 

Our country better wake up and the media needs to do their job or we are going to end up like Russia (oh wait.......they are reporting that)

are you more outraged that: it didnt make the news much, there was a coup attempt, or the coup attempt wasn't successful?

Some would say the attempt was warranted.

What is outraging me today?

Well, not really outraged but all these damned federal holidays are driving me nuts.  Yeah, it is a paid day off but I always go and spend more money those weekends as "we should do something since it is a 3 day weekend".

and...this damned weather. Time to get rid of this snow/ice.

Damned raccoon gets on our screened porch but doesn't come around frequently enough to take care of the issue

posted by thavoice

are you more outraged that: it didnt make the news much, there was a coup attempt, or the coup attempt wasn't successful?

 

Some would say the attempt was warranted.

Holy shit.....you are justifying a coup on an elected official of the US? 

posted by Spock

Holy shit.....you are justifying a coup on an elected official of the US? 

Two REPUBLICAN law enforcement and legal appointees discussing the 25th ammendment does not equal a coop.  For Trump to have been removed, Pence and a majority of Trump's cabinet would have to approve.   

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Two REPUBLICAN law enforcement and legal appointees discussing the 25th ammendment does not equal a coop.  For Trump to have been removed, Pence and a majority of Trump's cabinet would have to approve.   

Those on the right that believe the "coup" seriously almost got Trump out of office are about as in touch with reality and how our government works as those on the left (including those currently in Congress) who want to and believe they can get rid of the Electoral College.

I mean in order for the EC to disappear you would need a 2/3's vote in both HoR and Senate to get it started (not happening, but lets assume the Ds can get a super majority in both houses). If it gets past Congress, does any rational human being believe that 38 states will ratify an amendment that lowers their power in POTUS elections? Currently 30 states out of 50 are "over represented" by the EC vs their population (Alaska being the most over represented). Does anyone REALLY think that these at least 18 of these 30 states are going to go along with losing some of their power in the POTUS election cycle? That is assuming that ALL 20 states that would be "gaining" some power would vote to ratify.

The most "over represented" states are typically easy to figure out, look for those that only have 3 or 4 EC votes as 8 of the top 10 are 3 or 4 EC vote states.

The most "under represented" states may surprise, as most on the "right" would assume its New York and California when in fact its more of the "middle of the road" EC vote states, the bottom 10 are: Florida, NC, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Missouri.