SF has smelled like a toilet every time I've been there. It's been about 5 years since my last visit, though.
The entire state of California is trash
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI was downtown. I stayed right next to Union Square. On a day off, I walked from there to the Presidio. That route crosses a wide range of neighborhoods. Some were nice some were not. But it really didn't seem to be any different than most any other big city. I saw homeless people, but they didn't seem any more prevalent than Chicago or NYC or Atlanta or plenty of other cities. I thought things looked pretty nice.
Huh. Well shoot. Maybe they've cleaned things up since last year.
posted by CenterBHSFanDid you miss the part where I said that both parties were shifting away from the middle? To most that would clearly show that it's not just one side.
On the other hand, I kinda like the idea that you're paying so much attention to what I say and trying to troll. That makes two people who like to argue with me about everything! I wonder how many more I can gather up?
Maybe I'll say something that Otrap and I can get into it about. Wouldn't that be... Bananas?
Feel free. I can argue with anyone. ;)
posted by SportsAndLadyThe entire state of California is trash
Northern California seems pretty nice.
posted by justincredibleSF has smelled like a toilet every time I've been there. It's been about 5 years since my last visit, though.
I worked there for several months a few years ago. Some good food, but I was otherwise totally unimpressed with the city. Going out to dinner and some of the bars during the week - it was just dead. Weird vibe. I've been to dozens of big cities - SF comes in dead last. Nothing to do with liberals, I just think it's the most overrated city in the US.
And, yes, it did smell. Though I think part of that is the ocean.
posted by SportsAndLadyThe entire state of California is trash
Someone's never been to La Jolla or Big Sur. Plus, Sacramento was pretty nice when I was there. So was San Diego.
Wish I could say the same about LA, but last time I was there, the yellow haze was thick.
posted by O-TrapWish I could say the same about LA, but last time I was there, the yellow haze was thick.
Problem I always heard with LA (aside from all the phony wanna-be actors/actresses) was everything is too spread out, making the traffic unavoidable if you want to do anything. Not a "walkable" city like NY, Chicago, etc...
I think a lot of the "poor working class" are simply trapped in these cities, with too little money to enjoy much. Many people simply refuse to move to better their situation. There's reasons for that, but not many good ones when you're struggling to survive. I actually had this argument with a co-worker once, and he laughed "yeah, they should just move". To which I responded "yeah, it's really hard....that's why millions haven't moved to this country from other continents with literally nothing". That ended the argument.
posted by gutProblem I always heard with LA (aside from all the phony wanna-be actors/actresses) was everything is too spread out, making the traffic unavoidable if you want to do anything. Not a "walkable" city like NY, Chicago, etc...
I think a lot of the "poor working class" are simply trapped in these cities, with too little money to enjoy much. Many people simply refuse to move to better their situation. There's reasons for that, but not many good ones when you're struggling to survive. I actually had this argument with a co-worker once, and he laughed "yeah, they should just move". To which I responded "yeah, it's really hard....that's why millions haven't moved to this country from other continents with literally nothing". That ended the argument.
I've always wondered about that. People make moving out to be such a huge undertaking, and while picking up everything you own and paying to have it transported somewhere else is not the sort of thing the people in question can necessarily afford to just do, it definitely makes more sense to make it work, and if you have friends or family that will help, it reduces actual cost significantly.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieA lot of people are leaving. "Most" is not correct. There are 38 million people there. If "most" were leaving, they would be a lot less.
There are a lot of people leaving that place, I agree. But there are millions who chose to stay. For them, the reasons for staying outweigh those for going. The original point here was someone asked "why would anyone live there?". A lot of people have a lot of reasons for doing so.
Lol, ok con_alma.
As I said, based on your logic 100% of the population would have to leave.
posted by O-TrapI've always wondered about that. People make moving out to be such a huge undertaking...
And it's not like they have a ton to move.
I think there have been some examples of companies that suffer from a local worker shortage that go and recruit in depressed areas. Guarantee a job, a better paying job, in an area likely safer and lower COL, etc. All you have to do is get your butt there for work.....and, few takers. It's a perfect example of welfare taking away the incentive to work.
posted by gutAnd it's not like they have a ton to move.
I think there have been some examples of companies that suffer from a local worker shortage that go and recruit in depressed areas. Guarantee a job, a better paying job, in an area likely safer and lower COL, etc. All you have to do is get your butt there for work.....and, few takers. It's a perfect example of welfare taking away the incentive to work.
Sure. That has to be absolutely infuriating.
As to whether or not they don't have much to move, that's not always true. Most of the homes around my house are furnished about as much as any home. In some cases, more so. The furniture is sometimes a little more ... suspect ... but it's about the same amount of furniture.
posted by O-TrapAs to whether or not they don't have much to move, that's not always true.
Sure, but it's probably cheaper to replace it then it is to move it across the country. Economically/financially it's just a horrible decision not to move for the job, but that's not surprising. If I remember correctly, one or more of the companies was even offering a bonus of like $5k to cover moving, but you had to complete 90 days to get it (and, yes, I realize that doesn't help someone without the money to move).
Why did we need national single payer? Why do we have federal welfare? Why can't states have whatever benefit level they want, and tax their people accordingly? Why so little concern for state rights? I guess the socialism inherent in today's liberals requires central planning, which doesn't really work if 50 different states can do their own thing.
I think this is why they want to do away with the filibuster and electoral college - they know they can't fund it through taxes, so they want the federal government to fund it with debt (or, in the case of AOC and Boatshoes, printing money).
Seems like this should be a big winner in like 2/3 of the states - the Democrats want to trample your state rights, and have the big cities dictate how everyone in the country has to live (and the taxes they pay). The Senate should never go back to Dem control until the political climate/agenda changes. Dems take the Senate, first thing to go is the filibuster.....then packing the SCOTUS....and then ending the electoral college.
If dems actually start making moves to abolish the EC there's going to be massive protests and it will most likely get very ugly.
posted by CenterBHSFanIf dems actually start making moves to abolish the EC there's going to be massive protests and it will most likely get very ugly.
Most people will not grasp the consequences until it's too late. And it may be easy to forget, in today's uncompromising Congress, that checks & balances are good and one party rule is not. Really need a libertarian candidate to pound the drum that the best solution for everyone is to give power back to the states, and stop a bumbling federal govt from trying to come up with failed "one size fits all" policies.
Moves to abolish the EC have already started:
" National Popular Vote, has already been adopted by 10 Democratic states: California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Washington, Maryland, Hawaii, Rhode Island and Vermont. Under this system, states agree in advance to give their electoral votes to whoever wins the most popular votes nationwide, but the reform will not take effect until all of the participating states together have at least 270 electoral votes, a majority of the nation’s total. "
Omar and AOC going full retard on the 9/11 thing. They aren’t converting anyone to the left with their bullshit.
posted by iclfan2Omar and AOC going full retard on the 9/11 thing. They aren’t converting anyone to the left with their bullshit.
I'm afraid there are many more, rather than less, of these clowns in the pipeline. This is what safe spaces and identity politics have done to some millennials.
And it's funny watching Pelosi and other establishment Dems realizing they've created a monster. Like, oh my gosh, there are people who are actually too stupid to realize this fearmongering is just about winning elections and not an actual crisis! But here come the village idiots demanding action because you've conned them into believing action is desperately needed.
The radical and blowhard - demonstrated by Trump better than anyone - gets all kinds of national recognition and, basically, free campaign ads. And that's huge for re-election.
I guess we'll find out if these people are actually serious about all this nonsense if they get rid of the filibuster in the Senate. Harry Reid did this a ton - he protected Dems from having to vote up or down on a lot of garbage by blaming Republican filibusters. You can't get re-elected telling everyone the world is going to end when you have the votes and do nothing about it. You can't make a career in politics herding people into single-issue voting blocs and then actually fixing those issues.
posted by SportsAndLadyLooks scientific
Anyone can pull something off the internet showing what they want it to show. I just googled the right shifting further right and found 5+ articles.
I think you guys/gals just WANT the narrative to be out there that the left is shifting further left.
Or factual, objective evidence says that the Democrats are shifting more left. It’s not really opinion anymore. Statistics and all.
posted by O-TrapSomeone's never been to La Jolla or Big Sur. Plus, Sacramento was pretty nice when I was there. So was San Diego.
Wish I could say the same about LA, but last time I was there, the yellow haze was thick.
As someone who has traveled all over California mostly for work, I would agree. Most of California outside of LA and SF is very nice.
posted by jmogOr factual, objective evidence says that the Democrats are shifting more left. It’s not really opinion anymore. Statistics and all.
I didn't examine this particular study. But in similar ones I've seen, they always seem to set the baseline skewed left, which tends to make it look like Repubs are moving further to the right and the Dems aren't moving as far to the left.
I'd argue the Repubs have, for the most part, actually drifted a little left (with the country and society, in general). Yes, you had the Tea Party movement but they've always been a small minority in the Repubs with little influence. We'll see if these new bloods in the Dems actually influence policy, although they are very popular in the media because they hit all the right alarmed globalist notes.
Not withstanding Trump, who arguably isn't really a Repub. It's fascinating to me that just 15-20 years ago, Dems were pretty much pushing the same protectionism that Trump is. And they're demonizing him for succeeding with the same policies they failed with.
posted by jmogOr factual, objective evidence says that the Democrats are shifting more left. It’s not really opinion anymore. Statistics and all.
Of course they are. But the repubs are also shifting more to the right.
Hell just look at this site as an example.
posted by SportsAndLadyOf course they are. But the repubs are also shifting more to the right.
Hell just look at this site as an example.
Any examples of conservatives on this site who have been shifting further and further right from where they were years ago?
posted by like_thatAny examples of conservatives on this site who have been shifting further and further right from where they were years ago?
This place is a right wing cesspool. Didn’t always used to be that way.
posted by SportsAndLadyThis place is a right wing cesspool. Didn’t always used to be that way.
That’s not really answering the question. Who moved more to the right than they used to be?
posted by like_thatThat’s not really answering the question. Who moved more to the right than they used to be?
I never said dems didn't move left and repubs didn't move right.