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Spock

Senior Member

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 9:21 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

Not quite. The AG has not fully signed on to the Texas suite, just his own as Quaker said. Even then, the rest of the state Government is not fully on board, like the Governor. 

Spin it how you want but 22+ states and growing

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 12:13 PM
posted by gut

You seem quite optimistic.


In other news, Operation President Kamala has begun.....

I'm not optimistic; I'd say a 10% chance at this point.


The old guard liars from the intel deep state have now been proven to be the artists of the media campaign to shield Americans from the real news of the Biden criminality.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 12:17 PM

PS -  and I think they had a hand in having Biden admit he was under federal (tax) investigation and then that will probably get 'settled' in a few weeks and they can all say well we let you know there was an investigation but it has now been settled and we can move on from here.  And that will end all other investigations into the entire Biden criminal enterprise.

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 1:10 PM
posted by QuakerOats

I'm not optimistic; I'd say a 10% chance at this point.


The old guard liars from the intel deep state have now been proven to be the artists of the media campaign to shield Americans from the real news of the Biden criminality.

Ah the deep state...gotta keep that conspiracy bullshit running. 

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 1:10 PM
posted by QuakerOats

PS -  and I think they had a hand in having Biden admit he was under federal (tax) investigation and then that will probably get 'settled' in a few weeks and they can all say well we let you know there was an investigation but it has now been settled and we can move on from here.  And that will end all other investigations into the entire Biden criminal enterprise.

Is Bill Barr a part of the deep state now? I cannot keep straight who is and is not part of the club. 

As someone who lives in Maryland, can I be a part of it? Or, am I already? 

Once I move to Ohio in a few weeks, am I still a member of the deep state? 

Heretic

Son of the Sun

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 1:26 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

Ah the deep state...gotta keep that conspiracy bullshit running. 

It's his way of saying "I got nothing" without actually admitting being wrong.

"IT WAS MAGIC GREMLINS WHO DONE IT!!!!!!! HONEST!!!!!!"

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 7:27 PM

Fletch

Member

Fri, Dec 11, 2020 8:43 PM
posted by iclfan2

And sad at the same time.


Heretic

Son of the Sun

Sat, Dec 12, 2020 1:38 PM
posted by geeblock

https://news.yahoo.com/scotus-rejects-texas-bid-overturn-234401163.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb

Shockingly, the highest court in the land, regardless of what political side has the majority, is WAY above listening to arguments that sum up to: "I know they cheated! I don't have proof or even know exactly how they did it, but GODDAMNIT, I KNOW!!!!!"

Playing up peoples' inherent mistrust of the other side with conspiracy theory allegations, while working to widen the divide with "secession" and "civil war" talk might work to fire up the base due to people in general being stupid and wanting to be told how to feel. But at some point, you actually have to make adult arguments that contain things like  "evidence" and "proof" and they've been really struggling at that aspect of the game.

Probably doesn't help that his legal representation seems composed of fanboys (and girls) who act like they got their legal degrees from Trump University and are far better at turning things into a spectacle than they are at actually doing anything to help his cause.

Spock

Senior Member

Sat, Dec 12, 2020 4:16 PM
posted by Heretic

Shockingly, the highest court in the land, regardless of what political side has the majority, is WAY above listening to arguments that sum up to: "I know they cheated! I don't have proof or even know exactly how they did it, but GODDAMNIT, I KNOW!!!!!"

Playing up peoples' inherent mistrust of the other side with conspiracy theory allegations, while working to widen the divide with "secession" and "civil war" talk might work to fire up the base due to people in general being stupid and wanting to be told how to feel. But at some point, you actually have to make adult arguments that contain things like  "evidence" and "proof" and they've been really struggling at that aspect of the game.

Probably doesn't help that his legal representation seems composed of fanboys (and girls) who act like they got their legal degrees from Trump University and are far better at turning things into a spectacle than they are at actually doing anything to help his cause.

Or the fact that they actually have 200+ people with sworn testimony, video evidence, statistical evidence of fraud.

gut

Senior Member

Sat, Dec 12, 2020 4:22 PM
posted by Spock

Or the fact that they actually have 200+ people with sworn testimony, video evidence, statistical evidence of fraud.

You mean 200+ Trump volunteers went looking for fraud, and - shocker! - believe they observed fraud?

Unfortunately, an affidavit attesting to what you think you saw is not proof of what actually occurred, given the historically horrible accuracy of eye-witness accounts.

And I happen to believe the courts, at least a few of them, would be interested in even a little fraud, even if it wouldn't affect the election result.  Up and down, all the way to SCOTUS, refusing and tossing these cases shows just how lacking the evidence is.

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Sat, Dec 12, 2020 4:24 PM
posted by Spock

Or the fact that they actually have 200+ people with sworn testimony, video evidence, statistical evidence of fraud.

All as credible as the woman in Georgia?

Spock

Senior Member

Sat, Dec 12, 2020 5:33 PM
posted by gut

You mean 200+ Trump volunteers went looking for fraud, and - shocker! - believe they observed fraud?

Unfortunately, an affidavit attesting to what you think you saw is not proof of what actually occurred, given the historically horrible accuracy of eye-witness accounts.

And I happen to believe the courts, at least a few of them, would be interested in even a little fraud, even if it wouldn't affect the election result.  Up and down, all the way to SCOTUS, refusing and tossing these cases shows just how lacking the evidence is.

You dont dismiss those claims, people should get their day in court in this country.

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

Sat, Dec 12, 2020 5:56 PM
posted by Spock

You dont dismiss those claims, people should get their day in court in this country.

They did, their claims were found to have no merit and were thrown out.


sportchampps

Senior Member

Sat, Dec 12, 2020 7:28 PM
posted by gut

You mean 200+ Trump volunteers went looking for fraud, and - shocker! - believe they observed fraud?

Unfortunately, an affidavit attesting to what you think you saw is not proof of what actually occurred, given the historically horrible accuracy of eye-witness accounts.

And I happen to believe the courts, at least a few of them, would be interested in even a little fraud, even if it wouldn't affect the election result.  Up and down, all the way to SCOTUS, refusing and tossing these cases shows just how lacking the evidence is.

lol after the way Democrats went after the Supreme Court justice nominations what do you expect.


CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Sun, Dec 13, 2020 4:15 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

I have also kind of enjoyed the Progressive meltdown after some picks, like the SECDEF pick. Former General Lloyd is a fine pick actually. 

The worst meltdowns I've seen are the Neera Tanden and Susan Rice picks. For once they don't care about last names or what people look like hahha

gut

Senior Member

Sun, Dec 13, 2020 3:58 PM

A woman has accused Cuomo of sexual harassment.

It's almost as if, now that the election is over, the left has decided that it wants no part of Cuomo's rising star.  I saw a rumor that Biden was considering him for AG, so maybe that's where this is coming from.

Heretic

Son of the Sun

Sun, Dec 13, 2020 7:16 PM
posted by gut

A woman has accused Cuomo of sexual harassment.

It's almost as if, now that the election is over, the left has decided that it wants no part of Cuomo's rising star.  I saw a rumor that Biden was considering him for AG, so maybe that's where this is coming from.

Considering I've come to look at Cuomo as a semi-intelligent dude who flails wildly at whatever thoughts he can come up with, usually in a day-late reactive manner AND who has 99% of his relevance solely from the New York ties, as opposed to actual merit, his star not rising any further wouldn't exactly make me upset.


Also, speaking of flailing wildly, I found CC's rambling about TEH COURTS to be hilarious.

"These people DESERVE to have their claims heard in court!!!!!"

Uh, dumbass, they are. That's why terms like "case dismissed" or "case thrown out of court" are synonymous with Trump's legal team right now. When your entire argument is nothing but claims that you aren't able to substantiate with actual proof, your stay in court isn't exactly to be a productive one...unless "being turned into a meme because you're batshit insane like that one Michigan woman" counts as productive.

gut

Senior Member

Sun, Dec 13, 2020 7:42 PM
posted by Heretic

Considering I've come to look at Cuomo as a semi-intelligent dude who flails wildly at whatever thoughts he can come up with, usually in a day-late reactive manner AND who has 99% of his relevance solely from the New York ties, as opposed to actual merit, his star not rising any further wouldn't exactly make me upset.

I'd agree with all that.  Just interesting how they propped him up as this foil to Trump's leadership, and now that he's served his purpose they're throwing him back overboard.

I don't know if you saw it, but a few weeks ago there was a book or story from a different aide about how abusive he was, and also his so-called "leadership and response" was as bad as anyone else.

Of course, if Biden doesn't run in 2024 then Cuomo would have been one of the early favorites for the nomination. And it would only be further elevated if he was AG, so this might be the progressive left trying to torpedo him before he gains any more momentum.

gut

Senior Member

Sun, Dec 13, 2020 7:48 PM
posted by Heretic

Also, speaking of flailing wildly, I found CC's rambling about TEH COURTS to be hilarious.

"These people DESERVE to have their claims heard in court!!!!!"

And I don't know what the law says, but it's going to be a pretty high bar to throw out votes.  You would certainly need more evidence than just affidavit's for that to happen.  So, lacking that evidence, the case is rightfully dismissed.

On top of that, I think this lawsuit wanted to allow Republican legislatures in those states to sit their own electors.  So not just throwing some votes out that may or may not have made a difference, but invalidating an entire statewide result.  That would be an even higher burden, still.

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Sun, Dec 13, 2020 7:51 PM
posted by gut

Of course, if Biden doesn't run in 2024 then Cuomo would have been one of the early favorites for the nomination. And it would only be further elevated if he was AG, so this might be the progressive left trying to torpedo him before he gains any more momentum.

That would define everything wrong with America. Guy is fucking trash. 


gut

Senior Member

Sun, Dec 13, 2020 7:54 PM
posted by iclfan2

That would define everything wrong with America. Guy is fucking trash.

Sure, and his brother, too.  But 70M+ also just voted for a second Trump term.

Could you imagine Trump vs. Cuomo in 2024?  I think that actually would be worse than either 2016 or 2020.

Fletch

Member

Mon, Dec 14, 2020 11:43 AM

Biden won’t make it through this term.  If he does, he won’t have any signature moments to run on in 24.  Besides he will be 82.