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gut

Senior Member

Fri, Nov 20, 2020 2:44 PM

Trump issuing an EO on drug prices. 

I'm really not sure how this isn't illegal over-reach.  It will be entertaining to watch people do a complete 180 on this based on which party they vote for.

sportchampps

Senior Member

Fri, Nov 20, 2020 2:51 PM
posted by gut

Trump issuing an EO on drug prices. 

I'm really not sure how this isn't illegal over-reach.  It will be entertaining to watch people do a complete 180 on this based on which party they vote for.

While I hate regulations I don’t like the US footing the bill for the world healthcare 


gut

Senior Member

Fri, Nov 20, 2020 3:19 PM
posted by sportchampps

While I hate regulations I don’t like the US footing the bill for the world healthcare 


I don't disagree, but this is socialism thru executive fiat.

And if it stands, if it survives an onslaught of Big Pharma lobbying money, it's just going to end-up further burdening the taxpayer for R&D costs.

I can't get excited about this when I expect the ultimate result just to be more Big Gubmit - and possibly globally thru WHO - allocating even more R&D Funds.

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Tue, Nov 24, 2020 6:52 PM

People elect these idiots

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Nov 24, 2020 6:56 PM
posted by iclfan2

People elect these idiots


QuakerOats

Senior Member

Wed, Nov 25, 2020 2:06 PM
posted by iclfan2

People elect these idiots



Dear Marxist Omar,


The parents should feed their kids, not the taxpayers.

Please resign, today.


 - The People



Spock

Senior Member

Wed, Nov 25, 2020 7:51 PM
posted by iclfan2

People elect these idiots

She is so f*ing stupid.  Those Fighter jets are the reason she isnt living in a 3rd world country.

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Mon, Nov 30, 2020 2:24 PM
posted by iclfan2

People elect these idiots

Ah the old guns vs. butter debate. I've always thought this debate was short sighted and misses the point of defense spending. It is not a 1 for 1 trade.  Eisenhower has some good quotes and remarks on this debate back in the 50s. I've been in my own share of arguments with doves on the topic over the years. 

That said, the F-35 is way overbudget, and the jury is still out if it is worth the price tag.  Also, it is unclear if we will have enough of them. 


majorspark

Senior Member

Wed, Dec 9, 2020 9:31 PM
posted by iclfan2

People elect these idiots

She hates the nation of Israel.  The UAE made peace with the nation of Israel.  That is the motivation for her statement.  Not hungry kids.

majorspark

Senior Member

Wed, Dec 9, 2020 9:55 PM

The irony of Eric Swalwell and the bang bang with Fang Fang.  Classifed banging.

Fletch

Member

Wed, Dec 9, 2020 10:14 PM

The news cycle is just going nuts.


Chinese spies, Biden tax investigation, Supreme Court will likely rule on election laws, Lots of progressive swamp rats going down.

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Dec 9, 2020 10:25 PM
posted by majorspark

The irony of Eric Swalwell and the bang bang with Fang Fang.  Classifed banging.

It doesn't sound like that big of a deal.   She had one fundraiser for him about 6 years ago.  That doesn't sound as bad as the limo driver Pelosi or someone had for 20 years.

Looks like the Repubs are starting to gear up for Operation Payback....it would truly be hilarious if Biden is the one who ends up having to pardon himself and his family.

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Dec 9, 2020 10:28 PM
posted by Fletch

The news cycle is just going nuts.

Chinese spies, Biden tax investigation, Supreme Court will likely rule on election laws, Lots of progressive swamp rats going down.

The SCOTUS is the one that really makes me nervous.  If there really are 17 AG's trying to join TX, then it might be hard for SCOTUS not to take it.  I don't know much about the case, but it does kind of sound like election changes may have been unconstitutional.

But if that's the case and they throw out otherwise legal ballots, and ballots that people expected were legal....well, that's going to be a big big problem.  Maybe they can strike down the changes but uphold the election results?

jmog

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 6:52 AM
posted by gut

The SCOTUS is the one that really makes me nervous.  If there really are 17 AG's trying to join TX, then it might be hard for SCOTUS not to take it.  I don't know much about the case, but it does kind of sound like election changes may have been unconstitutional.

But if that's the case and they throw out otherwise legal ballots, and ballots that people expected were legal....well, that's going to be a big big problem.  Maybe they can strike down the changes but uphold the election results?

I don’t know how they would do that. That’s like saying “these votes were illegal but we will count them anyway”  


Spock

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 7:17 AM
posted by gut

The SCOTUS is the one that really makes me nervous.  If there really are 17 AG's trying to join TX, then it might be hard for SCOTUS not to take it.  I don't know much about the case, but it does kind of sound like election changes may have been unconstitutional.

But if that's the case and they throw out otherwise legal ballots, and ballots that people expected were legal....well, that's going to be a big big problem.  Maybe they can strike down the changes but uphold the election results?

Sorry, not sorry.  The people in these states should be mad at their state government for not following the law.  They knew that they werent.  All mail in votes should be discarded.  

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 7:54 AM
posted by gut

The SCOTUS is the one that really makes me nervous.  If there really are 17 AG's trying to join TX, then it might be hard for SCOTUS not to take it.  I don't know much about the case, but it does kind of sound like election changes may have been unconstitutional.

But if that's the case and they throw out otherwise legal ballots, and ballots that people expected were legal....well, that's going to be a big big problem.  Maybe they can strike down the changes but uphold the election results?

I'm not worried at all. I would be surprised if SCOTUS takes it. I've read some of the arguments in the brief and they are laughable, just like the last month or so worth of arguments, The 18 states were all deeply red ones from the middle of the country and WV. Utah was a part of it and the Utah Governor said he does not support them being part of it. Ohio is also not part of it, thankfully. 

I doubt SCOTUS wants any part of this shit show. 

I think it also will not matter as all 50 states have now certified the election results. 


ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 7:57 AM
posted by Spock

Sorry, not sorry.  The people in these states should be mad at their state government for not following the law.  They knew that they werent.  All mail in votes should be discarded.  

A fair number of those state's were Republican held and created those laws. 

Spock

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 9:44 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

I'm not worried at all. I would be surprised if SCOTUS takes it. I've read some of the arguments in the brief and they are laughable, just like the last month or so worth of arguments, The 18 states were all deeply red ones from the middle of the country and WV. Utah was a part of it and the Utah Governor said he does not support them being part of it. Ohio is also not part of it, thankfully. 

I doubt SCOTUS wants any part of this shit show. 

I think it also will not matter as all 50 states have now certified the election results. 


So 4 or 5 states just violated their state laws and the CONSTITUTION and you dont care?  Is that because it serves your political views?  



ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 9:55 AM
posted by Spock

So 4 or 5 states just violated their state laws and the CONSTITUTION and you dont care?  Is that because it serves your political views?  



Nope, the premise of your question is just wrong. 

Spock

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 9:58 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

Nope, the premise of your question is just wrong. 

How is that wrong?  It cant be wrong.  States violated both state law and the constitution.  Thats the only wrong here.

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 10:01 AM

You know it is a bullshit lawsuit when even the other Texas Senator says, "I frankly struggle to understand the legal theory of it. Why would a state, even such a great state as Texas, have a say so on how other states administer their elections?" Cornyn asked. "I'm not convinced."

Also, the Texas Solicitor General Kyle Hawkins, the state’s top appellate attorney and a former clerk at the U.S. Supreme Court, didn’t sign his name to the filing. 

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/09/texas-lawsuit-election-trump/

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 10:02 AM
posted by Spock

How is that wrong?  It cant be wrong.  States violated both state law and the constitution.  Thats the only wrong here.

The entire premise of the lawsuit is just wrong. There is no evidence of violation. 

Spock

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 10:59 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

The entire premise of the lawsuit is just wrong. There is no evidence of violation. 

For someone who claims to be in the know and plays a smart person on a message board....you are either ill informed or stupid.


States violated the Electors clause in the constitution by allowing non legislative entities to change state election law without legislative vote.  Hence violating the Constitution.  


Not sure why people like you try to make concrete written law subjective to your opinion,  laws are objective black and white statements.  Especially when they detail actions that people can and cannot make.  


A persons action of changing the voting law in some way that is not part of the legal process is just the same as if you shot and killed someone for no reason.  Both human actions are clearly illegal and are not open to interpretation.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 11:21 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

The entire premise of the lawsuit is just wrong. There is no evidence of violation. 


There are CLEAR violations of law.  You had sec's of states running end runs on their state legislatures enacting election rules that only the legislatures can enact.  They were ILLEGAL acts.

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

Thu, Dec 10, 2020 11:22 AM
posted by Spock

For someone who claims to be in the know and plays a smart person on a message board....you are either ill informed or stupid.


States violated the Electors clause in the constitution by allowing non legislative entities to change state election law without legislative vote.  Hence violating the Constitution.  


Not sure why people like you try to make concrete written law subjective to your opinion,  laws are objective black and white statements.  Especially when they detail actions that people can and cannot make.  


A persons action of changing the voting law in some way that is not part of the legal process is just the same as if you shot and killed someone for no reason.  Both human actions are clearly illegal and are not open to interpretation.

If this argument had any validation, it would have wider support...it thus does not.