When Donald says he wants to make America great again, when exactly is he referring to?

posted by HOF on coattails

When Donald says he wants to make America great again, when exactly is he referring to?

 

Funny how a man can go 70 years on this planet and not be called a racist......become president and it happens daily.

posted by Spock

Funny how a man can go 70 years on this planet and not be called a racist......become president and it happens daily.

He's been a racist all of his life.  Started with his dad.  US DOJ in 1973 went to court against Trumps family business, about a rental agent being told by his father not to rent to blacks.  Also, look up "central park jogger" attack and what Trump said.  Tell me again how he's not a racist?

Hope this helps.

posted by HOF on coattails

He's been a racist all of his life.  Started with his dad.  US DOJ in 1973 went to court against Trumps family business, about a rental agent being told by his father not to rent to blacks.  Also, look up "central park jogger" attack and what Trump said.  Tell me again how he's not a racist?

 

Hope this helps.

Couple things ...

First, Trump is an incompetent man-boy with the diplomacy skills of an inbred hillbilly humping a doorknob.  I'm as qualified to be President as he is.

Why mention all that?  Just in case you think I'm a Trump supporter.  I'm not.

However ...

This would be one of the rare cases I'll refrain from mocking Spock and actually agree with him in the Politics forum.  Spock didn't say he wasn't a racist before running for President.  He said nobody was calling him one.  That's pretty accurate.  People generally seemed to have a positive view of Trump.  Feel free to go back and look at the types of things written about him prior to ever actually getting involved in politics.  He was depicted as a generally good guy.

You can argue that he was never a good guy (I wouldn't try to bring up his dad's actions against him, since a parent's sins aren't held against the children), but you'd be hard-pressed to show that he was generally vilified before there was a political incentive to do so.

posted by O-Trap

People generally seemed to have a positive view of Trump.  Feel free to go back and look at the types of things written about him prior to ever actually getting involved in politics.  He was depicted as a generally good guy.
 

That's what the left does now - look at how the media portrayed Romney....from inventing outsourcing [lie], to ending more jobs than he created [lie], to Harry Reid lying about his tax returns from the Senate floor [where he had immunity from slander].

And it's a relatively new turn ushered in with identity politics, because I can't say I remember this with W even in 2004.

I remember it with Obama. The Barack HUSSEIN Obama comments usually tied in with how he was one of "them", the birthers, the anti-America preacher at his church and all that. Pretty much constantly being flung on the old Huddle. So it's not just the left doing it, although they might be improving upon the right's job of it.

posted by gut

That's what the left does now - look at how the media portrayed Romney....from inventing outsourcing [lie], to ending more jobs than he created [lie], to Harry Reid lying about his tax returns from the Senate floor [where he had immunity from slander].

And it's a relatively new turn ushered in with identity politics, because I can't say I remember this with W even in 2004.

GOP did that with Romney, too, when he came out as opposing Trump.

Also, compare how the GOP treated McCain in 2008 as opposed to how they're treating him now.

posted by O-Trap

Couple things ...

First, Trump is an incompetent man-boy with the diplomacy skills of an inbred hillbilly humping a doorknob.  I'm as qualified to be President as he is.

Why mention all that?  Just in case you think I'm a Trump supporter.  I'm not.

However ...

This would be one of the rare cases I'll refrain from mocking Spock and actually agree with him in the Politics forum.  Spock didn't say he wasn't a racist before running for President.  He said nobody was calling him one.  That's pretty accurate.  People generally seemed to have a positive view of Trump.  Feel free to go back and look at the types of things written about him prior to ever actually getting involved in politics.  He was depicted as a generally good guy.

You can argue that he was never a good guy (I wouldn't try to bring up his dad's actions against him, since a parent's sins aren't held against the children), but you'd be hard-pressed to show that he was generally vilified before there was a political incentive to do so.

 

I agree with your preface of Trump. But I don't share Spock's dismay of him being called racist every day. I think that's just life in 2018. Police officers legitimately arresting blacks for crimes are called racist now. It's a lazy label spewed out the first chance anyone can. For example I think the Bennett brothers are race-baiting attention whores. According to Twitter, I'm subsequently racist.  

IMO, whomever is president in 2020, 2024, etc.. will face new labels they aren't facing now. Politics is and has been increasingly vile and the "us vs them no compromise no mercy!" mentality demonstrates that nothing is off the table. I don't know if Trump is or isn't racist but in today's world it's easy to call him one and have it stick in certain populations. 

Friend....trump and his policies are related to race EVERY day

posted by HOF on coattails

He's been a racist all of his life.  Started with his dad.  

  

 

 

You know how stupid this sounds?  People don't end up like their parents.  If that was the case, I would be a druggy loser deadbeat.

posted by friendfromlowry

Politics is and has been increasingly vile and the "us vs them no compromise no mercy!" mentality demonstrates that nothing is off the table. 

Yep.  But that's a staple of identity politics - you're racist, you're anti-science, you're a bigot, etc.....therefore your facts are wrong and your opinion is invalid, so this debate is over.  And it's a tactic mostly reserved for the left.

posted by Spock

Friend....trump and his policies are related to race EVERY day

And, IMO, so will the next president and the president after that and so on. I don’t think it’s going away. 

posted by friendfromlowry

I agree with your preface of Trump. But I don't share Spock's dismay of him being called racist every day. I think that's just life in 2018. Police officers legitimately arresting blacks for crimes are called racist now. It's a lazy label spewed out the first chance anyone can. For example I think the Bennett brothers are race-baiting attention whores. According to Twitter, I'm subsequently racist.  

IMO, whomever is president in 2020, 2024, etc.. will face new labels they aren't facing now. Politics is and has been increasingly vile and the "us vs them no compromise no mercy!" mentality demonstrates that nothing is off the table. I don't know if Trump is or isn't racist but in today's world it's easy to call him one and have it stick in certain populations. 

I didn't call it dismay.  Merely that Spock's point was accurate.  

posted by O-Trap

I didn't call it dismay.  Merely that Spock's point was accurate.  

I didn't say you called it dismay. And I agree Spock is accurate but I'd imagine every president has been labeled something they are/aren't. 

posted by friendfromlowry

I didn't say you called it dismay. And I agree Spock is accurate but I'd imagine every president has been labeled something they are/aren't. 

Probably, though I'd imagine few were as much of a household entertainment name as Trump prior to being in politics, which does put him in a small group (potentially Reagan, Jesse Ventura, and the Governator fitting that bill, as well).

posted by Spock

You know how stupid this sounds?  People don't end up like their parents.  If that was the case, I would be a druggy loser deadbeat.

Well, one of the three ain't bad.   You do have characteristics of your parents, just like Trump.

I'd like to think that the terms flung about in today's society by the left will, at some point, become old and stale and blase even for them. They've pretty much taken the terms white supremacy, bigot, male privilege, racist, sexist, female oppression, colonialist, etc. and made them vanilla. The words simply do not hold the impact anymore that they really should. Just about everybody is desensitized to those words now and that's a bad thing. And where the far left is really messing up in the US and other countries in the west is free speech.

The left is turning in on itself at this point in time. The center-leftists are calling out the far left at every turn, trying to make them see sense and to rein them in. This is exactly what needs to happen because the far left isn't going to listen to reason from anybody on the right, so it's the moderate lefties who have the unfortunate job. I suspect, or at least I hope, that the moderates win this cultural battle. 

posted by Heretic

I remember it with Obama. The Barack HUSSEIN Obama comments usually tied in with how he was one of "them", the birthers, the anti-America preacher at his church and all that. Pretty much constantly being flung on the old Huddle. So it's not just the left doing it, although they might be improving upon the right's job of it.

This is correct. I was most vehement in my dislike for Obama and I questioned his ability to voluntarily stay in Wright's church for 20 whatever years. I didn't care for any of this major policies, either. I still wonder about withdrawing from the COIN strategy. At the end of the day I think Obama injected enough of his own worldview into the current political climate that did more damage than good. Regardless, I was still able to call him President Obama. I haven't even been able to give that term to Trump yet and I wonder if I ever will but right now I just can't bring myself to do it. 

So I don't think it's just a black/white issue, I don't think it's a left/right issue. I just think it's an instinctive reaction for many many people who for whatever myriad reasons don't like somebody. 

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posted by QuakerOats

 

 

Up and down like one of Trumps girlfriends  heads while his wife is in the locker room

Stay calm, the lawyers are on it

 

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So.... When the market is up, it's time to spit shine the Donald's little dickie that's stained orange from the Cheetos from his little fingered cock

When it is down........it's no big deal. It has nothing to do with Trump starting a trade war with China, 

 

 

Up 600+ today; I guess we won the 'trade war'. 

posted by HOF on coattails

He's been a racist all of his life.  Started with his dad.  US DOJ in 1973 went to court against Trumps family business, about a rental agent being told by his father not to rent to blacks.  Also, look up "central park jogger" attack and what Trump said.  Tell me again how he's not a racist?

 

Hope this helps.

  

 

 

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posted by QuakerOats

Up 600+ today; I guess we won the 'trade war'.

Still down 2400 from market high

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Back up the truck while you can

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/27/mystery-train-rumored-to-carry-kim-jong-un-leaves-china-after-secretive-stay.html

Secret meetings or is he really sick and seeking medical attention......there really is no other reasons