posted by gut

Funny how it was all the obstructionist Repubs, and now the shoe is on the other foot and Dems are doing the same thing.

Pelosi and Reid were far more toxic and did far more damage to "business as usual" than Obama ever did.  All Obama really did was use the IRS and DOJ to go after political opponents - community organizing is HARD on a national level.

That's politics. Put a D in charge and all the Rs do is obstruct; put an R in power and all the Ds do is obstruct. Because the only real goal is to make the guy in charge look ineffectual in order to trigger mid-term election wins.

posted by gut

Funny how it was all the obstructionist Repubs, and now the shoe is on the other foot and Dems are doing the same thing.

Pelosi and Reid were far more toxic and did far more damage to "business as usual" than Obama ever did.  All Obama really did was use the IRS and DOJ to go after political opponents - community organizing is HARD on a national level.

I think you are glossing over how fucked up the 2013 shutdown was. It was the House Republicans that also refused to play ball and they were in charge of the House. We are still living with the ramifications with sequestrian. 

posted by like_that

Which republican(s) is the one responsible for the looming shutdown?  It shouldn't be difficult to pass a short term CR with the majority.

Is the freedom caucus? They seem to be the ones that hard to pin down. Also, do we know what Trump wants? 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Is the freedom caucus? They seem to be the ones that hard to pin down. Also, do we know what Trump wants? 

i was thinking they needed a simple majority. I was wrong. Still need 60 votes.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I think you are glossing over how fucked up the 2013 shutdown was. It was the House Republicans that also refused to play ball and they were in charge of the House. We are still living with the ramifications with sequestrian. 

The way I remember it, Dems controlled the Senate but only one party was blamed by the "media" for failing to compromise.  And when Obama tried his Lucy routine with the football, Republicans called his bluff because, yeah, defense spending is out of control.

Ramifications of the seqeustration?!?  LMFAO, only inside the beltway for people getting checks from the industry.

posted by Heretic

That's politics. Put a D in charge and all the Rs do is obstruct; put an R in power and all the Ds do is obstruct. Because the only real goal is to make the guy in charge look ineffectual in order to trigger mid-term election wins.

Pretty much.  Although it seems to get worse and worse every election cycle.

Though I maintain Pelosi and Reid put the hammer down on that train....they believed in 2008 that the Repub party was dead and they would never have to deal with them again.  And we're seeing the consequences/payback of their very unilateral, very uncompromising approach to "leadership".  They are also two of the slimiest, mudslingers out there - usually the smears and dog whistling are reserved for someone a little lower on the foodchain.

The Schumer Shutdown is nearing. 

US oil output set for "explosive growth" given uptick in prices. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-19/iea-sees-explosive-growth-in-u-s-oil-output-as-prices-rally

the environmental marxists will be apoplectic 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5378494/donald-trump-pro-life-march-speech-first-us-president-45-years/

Thank you, Don.

Schumer and the other D douche bags own this shut down. Immigration reform has nothing to do with budgets. It’s a pretty weird hill to die on, and must be a calculated risk that this will help them in 2018. 

Happy to report that muh roads still appear to be there and are functioning.

How can hatred for one man be so great that a political party will shut the Govt down to try and hurt him?   

Are you referring to President Obama or Trump?

You are not comparing apples to apples in 2013 we did not shut the govt down because of Illegal aliens.  

posted by 19AL63

You are not comparing apples to apples in 2013 we did not shut the govt down because of Illegal aliens.  

Nor is it this time. Like it, hate it, or fall somewhere in the middle, the tax "reform" bill was the first significant legislative "win" by this administration. The Dems want to head off any momentum being built, so they choose a wedge-issue hill for someone to die on.

It’s 100% trying to win the base back for 2018. There is nothing in it the Dems disagree with. This is more “this is how you get Trump”.

Lets also try not to pretend that this is ALL THE DEMZ FAULT! The Repubs control the entire US Government. 

This is nothing more than your typical "party over country" bullshit that we see on a regular basis. Both parties are to blame. 

There aren’t 60 repubs? Please explain how this is the republicans fault? There is nothing in there that the Dems disagree with. They want something ADDED that has nothing to do with a budget.

posted by iclfan2

There aren’t 60 repubs? Please explain how this is the republicans fault? There is nothing in there that the Dems disagree with. They want something ADDED that has nothing to do with a budget.

Lol yeah man, you're right. This is the democrats fault. You're not biased or anything.

posted by SportsAndLady

Lets also try not to pretend that this is ALL THE DEMZ FAULT! The Repubs control the entire US Government. 

This is nothing more than your typical "party over country" bullshit that we see on a regular basis. Both parties are to blame. 

Clearly they don't as the majority voted to keep the doors open, yet here we are.

posted by SportsAndLady

Lol yeah man, you're right. This is the democrats fault. You're not biased or anything.

Give me one thing they don’t like in it. They want immigration reform, which has nothing to do with this process. Not to mention Schumer had a 180 differing opinion on shutdowns in 2013. Who did they blame and how did the media cover it then? Republicans fault no matter what?

posted by iclfan2

Give me one thing they don’t like in it. They want immigration reform, which has nothing to do with this process. Not to mention Schumer had a 180 differing opinion on shutdowns in 2013. Who did they blame and how did the media cover it then? Republicans fault no matter what?

So did Trump. As I recall, he was saying that it's up to the president to take the lead and make sure a shutdown doesn't happen. Now, faced with it, he's doing what you're doing: wringing his hands and whining about the Demmycrats.

"I mean problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top," Trump said of Obama during the interview with Fox News. "And the president's the leader. And he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead."

After the last 2-3 shutdowns, my opinion of this one is "So what?"

It's kind of losing it's impact as a political tool, that is until one of the parties decides to do real damage with it rather than just make a big show.

posted by gut

After the last 2-3 shutdowns, my opinion of this one is "So what?"

It's kind of losing it's impact as a political tool, that is until one of the parties decides to do real damage with it rather than just make a big show.

I guess I feel bad for the Air Force men's basketball team (and other athletes), as they won't be playing any games until the gubment is working again. But, yeah, when I heard last night that this was likely imminent, my reaction was "So what? Not like they do anything but bitch about how the other side is the reason why they aren't doing anything."

So, if 87% of the government still works because this shut down only impacts "non-essential" government functions, why does that 13% exist?  Sounds like a lot of federal adorning we can eliminate.