LOL. Right. I forgot. It is all part of a vast conspiracy. Please excuse me...

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Hey look, the drug the President says works and is taking doesn't do jack shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/

Funny how a medicine that has been around for 75 years and had 50,000,000 doses taken up to this point is called dangerous and "needed clinical trials".

Also, giving people a vitamin as a placebo ....isnt a placebo.  Vitamins actual do something to the body which makes them not a placebo.  

posted by Spock

Funny how a medicine that has been around for 75 years and had 50,000,000 doses taken up to this point is called dangerous and "needed clinical trials".

 

Also, giving people a vitamin as a placebo ....isnt a placebo.  Vitamins actual do something to the body which makes them not a placebo.  

 

Yeah, those tricky people at the FDA, CDC, research hospitals, and medical journals. What do they know right? 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yeah, those tricky people at the FDA, CDC, research hospitals, and medical journals. What do they know right? 

In this case, it may be a case of intentionally deceptive reporting from the unbiased bastion of journalism WaPo.

The study appears to be only using hyrdoxychloroquine.  That has never been the recommended treatment.  The doctors and "studies" that have shown success have been the combination of hydroxy, azithromycin and zinc (and this is what Trump actually took - again, get the facts right WaPo).  It's actually azithromycin that is believed to cause heart issues in some patients, because the safety of hydroxychloroquine alone is well established.

I still haven't seen a good, robust study on the actual treatment that has been promoted.  The liberal media keeps bukkaking us with studies focused only on hydroxy, or the harsher form chloroquine (which no one recommends and isn't generally even in wide use for malaria or lupus).

It's certainly worth testing hyrdoxy alone to understand it's merits.  But as I've understood it, hyrdoxy just provides a path of access to the virus, and it's azithromycin and zinc that actually does the heavy lifting.  So hydroxy alone showing a lack of efficacy would be unsurprising.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Hey look, the drug the President says works and is taking doesn't do jack shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/

Possibly. 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine

posted by Spock

Funny how a medicine that has been around for 75 years and had 50,000,000 doses taken up to this point is called dangerous and "needed clinical trials".

 

Also, giving people a vitamin as a placebo ....isnt a placebo.  Vitamins actual do something to the body which makes them not a placebo.  

 

I see you don't know how any of this stuff works. 

posted by friendfromlowry

I see you don't know how any of this stuff works. 

Trump says it works, so for CC it works. 
That’s how he rolls. 

This statement by Mattis is pretty damning and whoa. I have a feeling a lot of people have similar feelings, just have not said it. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis writes. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.”

He goes on to contrast the American ethos of unity with Nazi ideology. “Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that ‘The Nazi slogan for destroying us … was “Divide and Conquer.” Our American answer is “In Union there is Strength.”’ We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.”

...

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago,” he writes, “I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.”

Mattis dropping this definitely hurts Trump, but our nation has an attention span of a goldfish.  

posted by ptown_trojans_1

This statement by Mattis is pretty damning and whoa. I have a feeling a lot of people have similar feelings, just have not said it. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

"Instead, he tries to divide us." Apparently Mattis wasn't around for the Obama years.

posted by like_that

Mattis dropping this definitely hurts Trump, but our nation has an attention span of a goldfish.  

Very true. Who the fucks knows where we will be in 3 months...let alone by November. 

posted by BR1986FB

"Instead, he tries to divide us." Apparently Mattis wasn't around for the Obama years.

Man, yeah I remember that time Obama dispersed those Tea Party protests with gas and rubber bullets for a photo.

Also, can you provide one instance where the President actually tried to bring us together? 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Very true. Who the fucks knows where we will be in 3 months...let alone by November. 

posted by BR1986FB

"Instead, he tries to divide us." Apparently Mattis wasn't around for the Obama years.

Man, yeah I remember that time Obama dispersed those Tea Party protests with gas and rubber bullets for a photo.

Also, can you provide one instance where the President actually tried to bring us together? 

 

 

 

 

Can't say that I can, other than the economy, with Trump but the same holds true for Obama about dividing the country (see preferential treatment to his Muslim "brothers", Michael Brown incident, etc).

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm

On Monday, June 1, the USPP worked with the United States Secret Service to have temporary fencing installed inside Lafayette Park.  At approximately 6:33 pm, violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles and caustic liquids. The protestors also climbed onto a historic building at the north end of Lafayette Park that was destroyed by arson days prior. Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police, and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats and metal poles hidden along the street.

To curtail the violence that was underway, the USPP, following established policy, issued three warnings over a loudspeaker to alert demonstrators on H Street to evacuate the area. Horse mounted patrol, Civil Disturbance Units and additional personnel were used to clear the area. As many of the protestors became more combative, continued to throw projectiles, and attempted to grab officers’ weapons, officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls. No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park. Subsequently, the fence was installed.

posted by majorspark

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_2_20_statement_from_acting_chief_monahan.htm

I saw that statement and laughed. I was watching the damn thing with my own eyes on local tv and they did not see any of that. They had 4 anchors on the scene and was providing objective facts on the ground. The anchors did say there would be every so often one person throw something, but then the crowd would self police that person and turn them over to those police. The anchors kept saying compared to the protests over the weekend, Monday was peaceful. 

Again, the local news anchors commented how extreme the tactics were at the time and they had reported through many protests in DC's history. 

No one heard any of those statements over the loudspeaker as well. The teargas statement is laughable as been refuted by many people on the ground and even the CDC said, oh yeah that chemical is teargas. One reporter on the ground saw people washing their face with milk due to the gas. 

If this was over the weekend, ok sure maybe I can buy that. But, Monday, and the even the last few days, things have been largely peaceful. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

This statement by Mattis is pretty damning and whoa. I have a feeling a lot of people have similar feelings, just have not said it. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

posted by like_that

Mattis dropping this definitely hurts Trump, but our nation has an attention span of a goldfish.  

The military people I know, including Marines, don't give a fuck. They'll support Trump over someone with the record and reputation of Mattis. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Hey look, the drug the President says works and is taking doesn't do jack shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/

Waiting for you to post that the lancet has rescinded their study bc the source data was garbage. Literally can’t trust anything put out (not blaming you bc they published it). 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Hey look, the drug the President says works and is taking doesn't do jack shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/

You do realize that no one said that the drug prevented infection right?

It was said to help the symptoms AFTER you are already infected. It was the most prescribed drug in France and Italy at the height of the pandemic to help with SYMPTOMS, not prevent infection.

In other words the jagoffs that did the study tested a hypothesis that no one was claiming. 

Let me help:

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246

Didnt want to be subjected to peer review.  Sounds legit.

posted by iclfan2

Waiting for you to post that the lancet has rescinded their study bc the source data was garbage. Literally can’t trust anything put out (not blaming you bc they published it). 

posted by jmog

You do realize that no one said that the drug prevented infection right?

 

It was said to help the symptoms AFTER you are already infected. It was the most prescribed drug in France and Italy at the height of the pandemic to help with SYMPTOMS, not prevent infection.

 

In other words the jagoffs that did the study tested a hypothesis that no one was claiming. 

posted by Spock

Let me help:

 

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246

 

Didnt want to be subjected to peer review.  Sounds legit.

Yup. Classic case of premature publication. At least others called them out and the peer review process works. 

Still does not change the already published work and concerns about people taking the drug.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

posted by jmog

You do realize that no one said that the drug prevented infection right?

 

It was said to help the symptoms AFTER you are already infected. It was the most prescribed drug in France and Italy at the height of the pandemic to help with SYMPTOMS, not prevent infection.

 

In other words the jagoffs that did the study tested a hypothesis that no one was claiming. 

 

 

posted by Spock

Let me help:

 

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246

 

Didnt want to be subjected to peer review.  Sounds legit.

Yup. Classic case of premature publication. At least others called them out and the peer review process works. 

Still does not change the already published work and concerns about people taking the drug.

 

No classic case of TDS.....just run a FAKE news story that fits your narrative and when it comes out false, the national media has already carried your water for you on prime time TV....the correction never gets the same coverage.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yup. Classic case of premature publication. At least others called them out and the peer review process works. 

Still does not change the already published work and concerns about people taking the drug.

lol you’re such a homer. The data they used was from a garbage company. So no one did any research or fact checks whatsoever? That isn’t peer review, the source didn’t exist. C’mon man. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I saw that statement and laughed. I was watching the damn thing with my own eyes on local tv and they did not see any of that. They had 4 anchors on the scene and was providing objective facts on the ground. The anchors did say there would be every so often one person throw something, but then the crowd would self police that person and turn them over to those police. The anchors kept saying compared to the protests over the weekend, Monday was peaceful.

 

I have watched streamed video (not edited and just one perspective) of the event and saw nothing to support the chief of the park police's statement.  However given the numbers of people it was impossible to see everything going on along the line as his camera panned across the situation.

Colleague of mine and I agree that its plausible shit started on Lexington green by a radical dude drinking warm beer out of a barrel all night then hiding in the bushes muttering "fuck these redcoats" while pulling the trigger.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

posted by jmog

You do realize that no one said that the drug prevented infection right?

 

It was said to help the symptoms AFTER you are already infected. It was the most prescribed drug in France and Italy at the height of the pandemic to help with SYMPTOMS, not prevent infection.

 

In other words the jagoffs that did the study tested a hypothesis that no one was claiming. 

 

 

posted by Spock

Let me help:

 

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246

 

Didnt want to be subjected to peer review.  Sounds legit.

Yup. Classic case of premature publication. At least others called them out and the peer review process works. 

Still does not change the already published work and concerns about people taking the drug.

 

I don’t really care about the hydroxychloroquine debate. Well, I care only in the sense I just want to drug that will help everyone that gets Wuhan.

With that being said you definitely came on here to parade about the study and now you downplay it with a “lol classic premature publication.”  You don’t see an issue with this? If we can’t even trust our medical and science industry to act ethically, then our society is fucked.

posted by Spock

No classic case of TDS.....just run a FAKE news story that fits your narrative and when it comes out false, the national media has already carried your water for you on prime time TV....the correction never gets the same coverage.

posted by iclfan2

lol you’re such a homer. The data they used was from a garbage company. So no one did any research or fact checks whatsoever? That isn’t peer review, the source didn’t exist. C’mon man. 

posted by like_that

I don’t really care about the hydroxychloroquine debate. Well, I care only in the sense I just want to drug that will help everyone that gets Wuhan.

 

With that being said you definitely came on here to parade about the study and now you downplay it with a “lol classic premature publication.”  You don’t see an issue with this? If we can’t even trust our medical and science industry to act ethically, then our society is fucked.

If the paper was going to be published in the New England Journal of Medicine, one is to assume it has already passed benchmarks and review. Obviously, that was not the case. It is a very bad look for them and the paper. I assumed, wrongly in this case, that the paper had validity as it was from experts. Whoops there. I was touting it as experts have long claimed there is no evidence the drug works. 

I would chalk this up as another case in the long line of examples where expert sources and medical and scientific professionals rush and do not go through the proper procedures and peer review. That has lead to an erosion of trust in experts and the scientific community over the last 20 years. 

This virus and the work of the CDC, NIH and others have restored some faith in the view of scientistis and experts, but this report does do some damage to that credibility now. 

posted by Fab4Runner

 

posted by like_that

Mattis dropping this definitely hurts Trump, but our nation has an attention span of a goldfish.  

The military people I know, including Marines, don't give a fuck. They'll support Trump over someone with the record and reputation of Mattis. 

 

I would hope their loyalties lie not with anyone, but with the constitution.