Bad: Trump was/is petty and childish as fuck handling McCain’s death. Not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish with his approach.
Good: Trump has made the liberals and media respect the flag again 😂.
posted by CenterBHSFanI really, really wish that the gun-grabbers would get it through their thick skulls that guns are not going to go away. Really sick of every murder/mass shooting being turned into a national political event. There are now headlines blaming it on white supremacy, patriarchy, toxic masculinity, right wingers, etc. It's fucking awful.
Figure out how to make existing laws actually work or get rid of them if they cannot be functional or feasible. Face reality and not ideology. There are people who are fucking nuts everywhere. Unless you lock them up forever or put them down like you would a mad dog, there will be crazy people who have the potential to do this.
The preliminary news that has come out is that the guy was from Maryland which has extreme gun laws, and had actually been hospitalized twice as a teen for mental illness. Not sure what other "sensible" gun laws would have stopped it.
posted by like_thatBad: Trump was/is petty and childish as fuck handling McCain’s death. Not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish with his approach.
Good: Trump has made the liberals and media respect the flag again 😂.
The whole flag thing made no sense. He had to know what the outcome would be, which means he must want everyone to bitch about him constantly.
posted by iclfan2The whole flag thing made no sense. He had to know what the outcome would be, which means he must want everyone to bitch about him constantly.
It's just misdirection. He is distracting everyone from another issue.
posted by like_thatBad: Trump was/is petty and childish as fuck handling McCain’s death. Not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish with his approach.
Good: Trump has made the liberals and media respect the flag again 😂.
He made a official statement about it. Does he need to do more? The media playing politics with this is stupid and disrespectful. Trump has not done either.
posted by like_thatBad: Trump was/is petty and childish as fuck handling McCain’s death. Not sure what he thought he was going to accomplish with his approach.
Good: Trump has made the liberals and media respect the flag again 😂.
LOL
I did not see the liberal media headlines stating that another illegal alien has PERMANENTLY removed a child from her family.
posted by QuakerOats
I did not see the liberal media headlines stating that another illegal alien has PERMANENTLY removed a child from her family.
Seriously? I've seen it all over. That story has literally been everywhere, it seems.
Oh, you mean the tamped down story of a farm worker who might be a suspect in a possible homicide…probably on page 3 or 4, so as to not interfere with real headlines, like ICE removing a poor child from the mother who accidentally came to America.
Not at all. I've seen the article highlighted by plenty of people.
What shows up as front page news has everything to do with who you want to generalize.
If you want to generalize gun owners and advocates by trying to associate all of them with a single villain, you put the latest mass shooting front and center, and you associate the shooter with all "gun nuts" and their advocates.
If you want to generalize undocumented immigrants and advocates by trying to associate all of them with a single villain, you put the latest illegal immigrant who committed a violent crime front and center, and you associate the offender with all "illegals" and their advocates.
The logic for one is the logic for the other. You can have perspectives on each, and that's fine, but if we go the route of using the actions of one to define the problem with the whole as a justification for one, you cannot deny attempts to do the same as a justification for the other.
Nice. The point is criminal illegal aliens are killing innocent U.S. citizens, and the mainstream media does its best to not to acknowledge this fact because it goes against the narrative that they and the socialists and Marxists who have taken over the democrat party want The People to hear.
posted by QuakerOats
LOL....where do we put Zerohedge? On par with VOX?
Which is too bad, because some of their financial/market articles are pretty good.
Nice. The point is gun-toting crazies are killing innocent U.S. citizens, and the gun nuts do their best to not to acknowledge this fact because it goes against the narrative that our current gun laws are adequate for keeping people safe.
The same argument.
"The point is that A are killing innocent US citizens, and the B do their best to not acknowledge this fact because C."
I'm not saying there's not nuance to the issue. And I'm not saying one has to espouse any particular belief on immigration policy just because they believe a certain thing on gun policy.
What I am saying is that using a tragedy, which is obviously an outlier, to try to emphasize a need for more/better/different legislation isn't a good defense for any of it.
Most immigrants ... hell, most illegal immigrants ... don't commit violent crimes. In fact, it's in their best interest to remain inconspicuous.
Most gun owners ... hell, most gun carriers ... don't commit violent crimes. It's in their best interest not to.
posted by O-TrapThe same argument.
"The point is that A are killing innocent US citizens, and the B do their best to not acknowledge this fact because C."
I'm not saying there's not nuance to the issue. And I'm not saying one has to espouse any particular belief on immigration policy just because they believe a certain thing on gun policy.
What I am saying is that using a tragedy, which is obviously an outlier, to try to emphasize a need for more/better/different legislation isn't a good defense for any of it.
Most immigrants ... hell, most illegal immigrants ... don't commit violent crimes. In fact, it's in their best interest to remain inconspicuous.
Most gun owners ... hell, most gun carriers ... don't commit violent crimes. It's in their best interest not to.
the key word is "illegal".......regardless if they commit a crime when they get here, they commit one coming.
posted by gutLOL....where do we put Zerohedge? On par with VOX?
Which is too bad, because some of their financial/market articles are pretty good.
They are good. I can’t understand shooting the messenger; they were quoting a FB employee.
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has praised Mexico's "difficult" concessions to the US regarding vehicle tariffs. The deal paves the way for successful talks as Canada rejoins renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, Freeland says.
CONSUMER CONFIDENCE RISES TO 18-YEAR HIGH...
Workers Report Highest Job Satisfaction Since '05...
Second estimate of Q2 GDP: 4.2%...
TOO MUCH WINNING
posted by QuakerOatsCanadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has praised Mexico's "difficult" concessions to the US regarding vehicle tariffs.
I haven't sought out a comprehensive analysis, but my overall impression is something are better, others not. My expectation for these deals has always been that Trump makes a big show, and then the other side finally gives him a [very] small victory....then Trump goes off to proclaim he's saving the global economy.
Trump is just someone other leaders are going to tolerate and appease, waiting him out until 2020 or 2024.
posted by Spockthe key word is "illegal".......regardless if they commit a crime when they get here, they commit one coming.
That's a different argument than what he's making. It really doesn't speak to the "why" behind them being illegal, but that's at least a different conversation.
The argument that we have to stop it because a random one-off commits a violent crime, though, is nonsense. We don't (or shouldn't) make rules by treating the outliers as the norms.
posted by QuakerOatsThey are good.
posted by gutMy expectation for these deals has always been that Trump makes a big show, and then the other side finally gives him a [very] small victory....then Trump goes off to proclaim he's saving the global economy.
One of the things he's actually good at is self-promotion, so this makes sense. I could see this easily being the pattern for the remainder of his tenure, however long that is.
posted by gutI haven't sought out a comprehensive analysis, but my overall impression is something are better, others not. My expectation for these deals has always been that Trump makes a big show, and then the other side finally gives him a [very] small victory....then Trump goes off to proclaim he's saving the global economy.
Trump is just someone other leaders are going to tolerate and appease, waiting him out until 2020 or 2024.
The tens of billions being re-invested into US plant and equipment are all you need to know to understand how well our course has been altered due to the ’16 election.
posted by QuakerOats
The tens of billions being re-invested into US plant and equipment are all you need to know to understand how well our course has been altered due to the ’16 election.
Well, in part, it's because there's been manipulation of import costs from international manufacturers at the federal level.
You have to be fucking kidding me...
posted by like_thatYou have to be fucking kidding me...
There are times when "the law is an ass".