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  • FairwoodKing
    ManO'War wrote: Woodland Hills is scheduled to play one of the Florida teams.

    Fairwood, it would be up to the event organizer, not WH, as to who is invited...which my gut says is us.
    Well, we have certainly proven ourselves worthy of playing teams like that. Last year we shut out WH and they went on to win the WPIAL. They can't consider us to be soft competition.
  • seabee570
    INTERESTING NOTE...one of the florida teams is manatee.....they beat st thomas aquinas,who is a florida powerhouse team to knock them out of the no 1 ranking in the country last year. the no 1 ranking went to don bosco prep out of new jersey.....so this offseason,a deal was supposed to be struck between don bosco vs manatee.....lo and behold,the ad for don bosco leaves to coach a rival school,and tells manatee the game is off...next thing you know....don bosco is gonna play st ignatius......
  • seabee570
    I hope iggy stomps them...I have never been a don bosco fan.....they have lost quite a few big games.....I am gonna try a go to this one on september 24th....
  • war_admiral
    This would be great that means we would have 2 away games and play in three classics.
    RRR
  • bridgeport2001
    I dont think there is going 2 be a rally in the valley this year , they where going 2 have it in BRIDGEPORT but the school board told them they didnt want it in BRIDGEPORT.
  • RedBlackAttack
    FairwoodKing wrote: I doubt if Woodland Hills would ever invite us to play at their place. We have scorched them the three times we've played them. I don't think they like us.
    Actually, two of the three games were close and competitive. The only year that we really served them up was the first time that we played them ('94). I thought last year's game was excellent. I was on the sidelines for that one and it was incredibly hard-hitting, on both sides.

    Those guys can play. I thought, next to Mooney, they were the best team that we played all year.
  • snyds113
    Correct me if I'm wrong but this would mean the Akron B. game is off right?If so how do teams go about rearanging a schedule when it has already been set?Also is there any truth to Morgantown coming to Steuby instead of going down there?And exept for obvious reasons was there a field availability issue on Morgantowns part or something?
  • ferflog
    I am sure I will be lambasted for this statement, but I think the football schedule can be "too tough". In 2009 I thought the schedule was "too tough". We had tons of guys injured week after week. By the time the playoffs came around, we looked more like a "Mash unit" than a football team. I hope the same mistake isn't made again this year.

    Playing bigger schools week-after-week certainly takes its toll. Just my opinion. Take it easy on me.
  • ManO'War
    I agree somewhat, but Reno must feel he has the horses and depth to do it this year.
  • FairwoodKing
    snyds113 wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but this would mean the Akron B. game is off right?If so how do teams go about rearanging a schedule when it has already been set?Also is there any truth to Morgantown coming to Steuby instead of going down there?And exept for obvious reasons was there a field availability issue on Morgantowns part or something?
    We should put the rumors to rest right now. The second game will be at home against Buchtel. It will not be against a WPIAL team at Woodland Hills. The fifth game will be at Morgantown. It will not be in Harding Stadium and particularly will not be on Saturday.

    How do I know this? Because I have been following Big Red football since 1962 and I have seen only one time when the school announced the football schedule and then changed it. That one exception was in the late 1970's when a game against a Cleveland team had to be canceled because of a teachers strike and we took on Dover at the last moment. Other than that, the schedules are always written in stone.

    There have been a lot of rumors floating around here during the past few weeks. Don't believe them. Don't believe anything unless the school announces it.
  • FairwoodKing
    ferflog wrote: I am sure I will be lambasted for this statement, but I think the football schedule can be "too tough". In 2009 I thought the schedule was "too tough". We had tons of guys injured week after week. By the time the playoffs came around, we looked more like a "Mash unit" than a football team. I hope the same mistake isn't made again this year.

    Playing bigger schools week-after-week certainly takes its toll. Just my opinion. Take it easy on me.
    I disagree. Do you want us to play a pansy schedule like Dover does? Dover's schedule never prepares them for the playoffs, which is one reason they have never even won the region. Or should we play New Philadelphia's schedule? They went 9-1 last year and failed to make the playoffs.

    I think our schedule is fine the way it is.
  • GoChiefs
    You got to find a happy medium. What going does making the playoffs against tough teams do if your players are beat up week after week and injured. Then you ruin your chances as well. So I gotta agree with ferflog..not saying this schedule is too tough...but you can definitely have too tough of a schedule. It's not a good thing to play the best teams week after week. You have to have some time off and rest.
  • FairwoodKing
    GoChiefs wrote: You got to find a happy medium. What going does making the playoffs against tough teams do if your players are beat up week after week and injured. Then you ruin your chances as well. So I gotta agree with ferflog..not saying this schedule is too tough...but you can definitely have too tough of a schedule. It's not a good thing to play the best teams week after week. You have to have some time off and rest.
    Who would we get rid of? Buffalo St. Joe's? They're a Div. I school with about six times the number of boys as Big Red. If they were located in Ohio, they would be one of the largest teams in the state. Yet we have played them nine times and they have never beaten us.

    I don't recall that we sustained any injuries against Massillon, and they are a major Div. I power in Ohio.

    Did injuries really play that big a role in our loss to Mooney or were we simply outplayed? And don't forget that we won three playoff games last year, so we did not exactly limp into those games as the walking wounded.

    We can't just schedule teams that we know we are going to beat. We have to have competitive games to prepare us for the postseason. I think our schedule is just fine the way it is.
  • GoChiefs
    Jesus..why are you always so defensive??? LOL Please show me one place in my post where I was talking about Big Red's schedule this year? I wasn't. I was talking about in general. With ANY team.
  • FairwoodKing
    GoChiefs wrote: Jesus..why are you always so defensive??? LOL Please show me one place in my post where I was talking about Big Red's schedule this year? I wasn't. I was talking about in general. With ANY team.
    I'm defending Reno and Fred's method of scheduling. We play good teams. And yet we have only lost one regular-season game in the past seven years.

    I'm just giving credit where credit is due.
  • GoChiefs
    FairwoodKing wrote: I'm defending Reno and Fred's method of scheduling. We play good teams. And yet we have only lost one regular-season game in the past seven years.

    I'm just giving credit where credit is due.
    If I said something about Reno and Fred...I could understand. As a matter of fact..I made it a point to say that I WASN'T talking about this years schedule. LOL
  • FairwoodKing
    Why is DC St. John's considered to be Div. II? They have considerably more boys than Massillon.
  • SUPER787
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    GoChiefs wrote: You got to find a happy medium. What going does making the playoffs against tough teams do if your players are beat up week after week and injured. Then you ruin your chances as well. So I gotta agree with ferflog..not saying this schedule is too tough...but you can definitely have too tough of a schedule. It's not a good thing to play the best teams week after week. You have to have some time off and rest.
    Who would we get rid of? Buffalo St. Joe's? They're a Div. I school with about six times the number of boys as Big Red. If they were located in Ohio, they would be one of the largest teams in the state. Yet we have played them nine times and they have never beaten us.

    I don't recall that we sustained any injuries against Massillon, and they are a major Div. I power in Ohio.

    Did injuries really play that big a role in our loss to Mooney or were we simply outplayed? And don't forget that we won three playoff games last year, so we did not exactly limp into those games as the walking wounded.

    We can't just schedule teams that we know we are going to beat. We have to have competitive games to prepare us for the postseason. I think our schedule is just fine the way it is.
    I think this topic has been discussed before but I have to agree with ferflog and GoChiefs.
    I don't think Reno just schedules teams he knows he will beat.
    From Reno's lips: " We are barely a division 3 team. While we won our playoff games, I could see the team played without it's usual intensity by the time the championship game came around. We do not have the depth to compete week in and week out with the larger teams. Sure, if we stay healthy, and we didn't, we can compete, but that entails a lot of luck. end of Reno's quote.
    You run into timing issues if you have to plug different players in because of injuries. All teams have injuries, and this year we had a lot of them, but let me select my replacements from 100 boys on my team instead of 54 and the quality of play won't suffer as much. That is why I think the coaching was really superior this past year: we did far better than a lot of people thought we would after the physical beating we took from Woodland Hills.
    We have done fine with our schedule getting us into the playoffs; after that, it's up to the health of our team and the strength of our bench: pure and simple. Did not mean to step on anyone's toes; just sayin.....
    Cheers.
  • FairwoodKing
    SUPER787 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    GoChiefs wrote: You got to find a happy medium. What going does making the playoffs against tough teams do if your players are beat up week after week and injured. Then you ruin your chances as well. So I gotta agree with ferflog..not saying this schedule is too tough...but you can definitely have too tough of a schedule. It's not a good thing to play the best teams week after week. You have to have some time off and rest.
    Who would we get rid of? Buffalo St. Joe's? They're a Div. I school with about six times the number of boys as Big Red. If they were located in Ohio, they would be one of the largest teams in the state. Yet we have played them nine times and they have never beaten us.

    I don't recall that we sustained any injuries against Massillon, and they are a major Div. I power in Ohio.

    Did injuries really play that big a role in our loss to Mooney or were we simply outplayed? And don't forget that we won three playoff games last year, so we did not exactly limp into those games as the walking wounded.

    We can't just schedule teams that we know we are going to beat. We have to have competitive games to prepare us for the postseason. I think our schedule is just fine the way it is.
    I think this topic has been discussed before but I have to agree with ferflog and GoChiefs.
    I don't think Reno just schedules teams he knows he will beat.
    From Reno's lips: " We are barely a division 3 team. While we won our playoff games, I could see the team played without it's usual intensity by the time the championship game came around. We do not have the depth to compete week in and week out with the larger teams. Sure, if we stay healthy, and we didn't, we can compete, but that entails a lot of luck. end of Reno's quote.
    You run into timing issues if you have to plug different players in because of injuries. All teams have injuries, and this year we had a lot of them, but let me select my replacements from 100 boys on my team instead of 54 and the quality of play won't suffer as much. That is why I think the coaching was really superior this past year: we did far better than a lot of people thought we would after the physical beating we took from Woodland Hills.
    We have done fine with our schedule getting us into the playoffs; after that, it's up to the health of our team and the strength of our bench: pure and simple. Did not mean to step on anyone's toes; just sayin.....
    Cheers.
    If Reno is that concerned about playing big schools, then why did he schedule five Div. I teams for 2010?
  • seabee570
    I have to agree with ferflog and crew....starting out against woodland hills was tough....last years schedule was brutal......it seems this years schedule will be a little better.....woodland hills is a big school,and that game was a very hard hitting game,It was a tough way to start the season.....
  • SUPER787
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    SUPER787 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    GoChiefs wrote: You got to find a happy medium. What going does making the playoffs against tough teams do if your players are beat up week after week and injured. Then you ruin your chances as well. So I gotta agree with ferflog..not saying this schedule is too tough...but you can definitely have too tough of a schedule. It's not a good thing to play the best teams week after week. You have to have some time off and rest.
    Who would we get rid of? Buffalo St. Joe's? They're a Div. I school with about six times the number of boys as Big Red. If they were located in Ohio, they would be one of the largest teams in the state. Yet we have played them nine times and they have never beaten us.

    I don't recall that we sustained any injuries against Massillon, and they are a major Div. I power in Ohio.

    Did injuries really play that big a role in our loss to Mooney or were we simply outplayed? And don't forget that we won three playoff games last year, so we did not exactly limp into those games as the walking wounded.

    We can't just schedule teams that we know we are going to beat. We have to have competitive games to prepare us for the postseason. I think our schedule is just fine the way it is.
    I think this topic has been discussed before but I have to agree with ferflog and GoChiefs.
    I don't think Reno just schedules teams he knows he will beat.
    From Reno's lips: " We are barely a division 3 team. While we won our playoff games, I could see the team played without it's usual intensity by the time the championship game came around. We do not have the depth to compete week in and week out with the larger teams. Sure, if we stay healthy, and we didn't, we can compete, but that entails a lot of luck. end of Reno's quote.
    You run into timing issues if you have to plug different players in because of injuries. All teams have injuries, and this year we had a lot of them, but let me select my replacements from 100 boys on my team instead of 54 and the quality of play won't suffer as much. That is why I think the coaching was really superior this past year: we did far better than a lot of people thought we would after the physical beating we took from Woodland Hills.
    We have done fine with our schedule getting us into the playoffs; after that, it's up to the health of our team and the strength of our bench: pure and simple. Did not mean to step on anyone's toes; just sayin.....
    Cheers.
    If Reno is that concerned about playing big schools, then why did he schedule five Div. I teams for 2010?
    Not having a choice would be my assumption. Besides, there are Div.1 schools, then there are Div.1 schools with great programs with much larger numbers of boys out for football.
    Anyway, how many of those Div.1 teams could you call powerhouses?
    Wheeling Park?
    Morgantown?
    Buffalo St. Joe?
    Washington St. Joe collegiate is an unknown, so that could be interesting.
    Massillon is at the bottom of Div.1 and I'll bet they could beat any one of those teams consistently.
    Div.1 means nothing; it's the program.
    Cheers.
  • ManO'War
    From what I've read and heard about St John's they will be another difficult challenge. The play in a great league and have D1 players on a yearly basis.
  • FairwoodKing
    SUPER787 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    SUPER787 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    GoChiefs wrote: You got to find a happy medium. What going does making the playoffs against tough teams do if your players are beat up week after week and injured. Then you ruin your chances as well. So I gotta agree with ferflog..not saying this schedule is too tough...but you can definitely have too tough of a schedule. It's not a good thing to play the best teams week after week. You have to have some time off and rest.
    Who would we get rid of? Buffalo St. Joe's? They're a Div. I school with about six times the number of boys as Big Red. If they were located in Ohio, they would be one of the largest teams in the state. Yet we have played them nine times and they have never beaten us.

    I don't recall that we sustained any injuries against Massillon, and they are a major Div. I power in Ohio.

    Did injuries really play that big a role in our loss to Mooney or were we simply outplayed? And don't forget that we won three playoff games last year, so we did not exactly limp into those games as the walking wounded.

    We can't just schedule teams that we know we are going to beat. We have to have competitive games to prepare us for the postseason. I think our schedule is just fine the way it is.
    I think this topic has been discussed before but I have to agree with ferflog and GoChiefs.
    I don't think Reno just schedules teams he knows he will beat.
    From Reno's lips: " We are barely a division 3 team. While we won our playoff games, I could see the team played without it's usual intensity by the time the championship game came around. We do not have the depth to compete week in and week out with the larger teams. Sure, if we stay healthy, and we didn't, we can compete, but that entails a lot of luck. end of Reno's quote.
    You run into timing issues if you have to plug different players in because of injuries. All teams have injuries, and this year we had a lot of them, but let me select my replacements from 100 boys on my team instead of 54 and the quality of play won't suffer as much. That is why I think the coaching was really superior this past year: we did far better than a lot of people thought we would after the physical beating we took from Woodland Hills.
    We have done fine with our schedule getting us into the playoffs; after that, it's up to the health of our team and the strength of our bench: pure and simple. Did not mean to step on anyone's toes; just sayin.....
    Cheers.
    If Reno is that concerned about playing big schools, then why did he schedule five Div. I teams for 2010?
    Not having a choice would be my assumption. Besides, there are Div.1 schools, then there are Div.1 schools with great programs with much larger numbers of boys out for football.
    Anyway, how many of those Div.1 teams could you call powerhouses?
    Wheeling Park?
    Morgantown?
    Buffalo St. Joe?
    Washington St. Joe collegiate is an unknown, so that could be interesting.
    Massillon is at the bottom of Div.1 and I'll bet they could beat any one of those teams consistently.
    Div.1 means nothing; it's the program.
    Cheers.
    Before we scheduled Morgantown, we were supposed to play Warren Harding that week. Harding would have been another quality Div. I opponent, and I'm sure it was Reno's idea to schedule them.

    As far as this talk about injuries is concerned, if Macon hadn't gotten hurt on one single play in the Woodland Hills game, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. He just as easily could have gotten hurt against East Liverpool. I have always been told that most injuries take place when you play weak teams because they don't know what they're doing. I think it was just coincidence that we got banged up against WH. After all, we also played Massillon, a major Div. I team, and we didn't sustain any injuries that I know of against them.
  • SUPER787
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    SUPER787 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    SUPER787 wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    GoChiefs wrote: You got to find a happy medium. What going does making the playoffs against tough teams do if your players are beat up week after week and injured. Then you ruin your chances as well. So I gotta agree with ferflog..not saying this schedule is too tough...but you can definitely have too tough of a schedule. It's not a good thing to play the best teams week after week. You have to have some time off and rest.
    Who would we get rid of? Buffalo St. Joe's? They're a Div. I school with about six times the number of boys as Big Red. If they were located in Ohio, they would be one of the largest teams in the state. Yet we have played them nine times and they have never beaten us.

    I don't recall that we sustained any injuries against Massillon, and they are a major Div. I power in Ohio.

    Did injuries really play that big a role in our loss to Mooney or were we simply outplayed? And don't forget that we won three playoff games last year, so we did not exactly limp into those games as the walking wounded.

    We can't just schedule teams that we know we are going to beat. We have to have competitive games to prepare us for the postseason. I think our schedule is just fine the way it is.
    I think this topic has been discussed before but I have to agree with ferflog and GoChiefs.
    I don't think Reno just schedules teams he knows he will beat.
    From Reno's lips: " We are barely a division 3 team. While we won our playoff games, I could see the team played without it's usual intensity by the time the championship game came around. We do not have the depth to compete week in and week out with the larger teams. Sure, if we stay healthy, and we didn't, we can compete, but that entails a lot of luck. end of Reno's quote.
    You run into timing issues if you have to plug different players in because of injuries. All teams have injuries, and this year we had a lot of them, but let me select my replacements from 100 boys on my team instead of 54 and the quality of play won't suffer as much. That is why I think the coaching was really superior this past year: we did far better than a lot of people thought we would after the physical beating we took from Woodland Hills.
    We have done fine with our schedule getting us into the playoffs; after that, it's up to the health of our team and the strength of our bench: pure and simple. Did not mean to step on anyone's toes; just sayin.....
    Cheers.
    If Reno is that concerned about playing big schools, then why did he schedule five Div. I teams for 2010?
    Not having a choice would be my assumption. Besides, there are Div.1 schools, then there are Div.1 schools with great programs with much larger numbers of boys out for football.
    Anyway, how many of those Div.1 teams could you call powerhouses?
    Wheeling Park?
    Morgantown?
    Buffalo St. Joe?
    Washington St. Joe collegiate is an unknown, so that could be interesting.
    Massillon is at the bottom of Div.1 and I'll bet they could beat any one of those teams consistently.
    Div.1 means nothing; it's the program.
    Cheers.
    Before we scheduled Morgantown, we were supposed to play Warren Harding that week. Harding would have been another quality Div. I opponent, and I'm sure it was Reno's idea to schedule them.

    As far as this talk about injuries is concerned, if Macon hadn't gotten hurt on one single play in the Woodland Hills game, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. He just as easily could have gotten hurt against East Liverpool. I have always been told that most injuries take place when you play weak teams because they don't know what they're doing. I think it was just coincidence that we got banged up against WH. After all, we also played Massillon, a major Div. I team, and we didn't sustain any injuries that I know of against them.
    Are you serious? Evidently you were not at that game. Macon, was only one of many injuies. We lost our no.1 receiver for half the season and he was still not 100% the rest of the year. Also, there were several other key injuries. I don't have our lineup infront of me but when we played East Liverpool, about half our team was back-up players. The timing was bad and we looked poor.
    You have a certain mind set on this subject and I have another; so, I'll move on. That said, we had a starting relative on that team and I know
    of what I speak.
    Cheers.
  • FairwoodKing
    No matter what did or did not happen at the WH game, we still had enough quality players and depth to go 12-2 against a rugged schedule. I don't think Massillon, Poland, and Dover feel sorry for us because we got knocked around in a previous game.

    The point to our discussion is whether or not Big Red should play a tough schedule. Even though we don't play a AAAA WPIAL team this year, we do play Inkster, Massillon, and Ursuline. Even Brooke and Morgantown may give us some competition. I don't think Reno would want to play a lesser schedule and I'm sure the fans wouldn't want to see it.