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Big Red turns down ECOL invite

  • Al Capone
    ManO'War wrote: Here's a pic of the Dover football trophy case.

    LOL.:D
  • FairwoodKing
    thereddragin wrote: so fairwood let me get this straight... Big Red fans want/need 7 home games so they can afford to the games and bring money into the program? as you stated your program helps pay for a math teacher... so obvs you guys are making plenty of money.... so i ask you does your school have pay to play? I know that both the schools in which i'm linked to have pay to play... so for us "fans" and parents that have to pay for our kids to play its logical in your eyes that we have to play at your place so you can save money? what about the other programs in the area that are struggling to even field a team at times... are you so selfish that you wouldn't be willling to play one more away game a year so another program could make some extra cash and possibly help get the program more competitive?

    I generally support the Big Red community but on this issue you guys (FWK in particular) are arrogant.

    ps I don't care about typo's and what nots... this is a internet forum as long as you get my message thats all that matters...
    I wasn't trying to be arrogant, I was just stating the facts. No, we don't have pay to play. That's because our citizens have never turned down a school levy. Your people should try it sometime. If your citizens were as concerned about the schools as our people, maybe you wouldn't complain so much.
  • Wooball
    Do do the Dover coaches, players, and community members want to win the ECOL? sure they do. But I believe at this point, after winning or sharing the league title for over the last decade (save a couple years), they would much rather start winning at a higher level in the post season. Obviously to do this, they feel they need to not only improve the non-conference schedule (which they have done for awhile already), but also improve the league in which they play in.
  • thereddragin
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    thereddragin wrote: so fairwood let me get this straight... Big Red fans want/need 7 home games so they can afford to the games and bring money into the program? as you stated your program helps pay for a math teacher... so obvs you guys are making plenty of money.... so i ask you does your school have pay to play? I know that both the schools in which i'm linked to have pay to play... so for us "fans" and parents that have to pay for our kids to play its logical in your eyes that we have to play at your place so you can save money? what about the other programs in the area that are struggling to even field a team at times... are you so selfish that you wouldn't be willling to play one more away game a year so another program could make some extra cash and possibly help get the program more competitive?

    I generally support the Big Red community but on this issue you guys (FWK in particular) are arrogant.

    ps I don't care about typo's and what nots... this is a internet forum as long as you get my message thats all that matters...
    I wasn't trying to be arrogant, I was just stating the facts. No, we don't have pay to play. That's because our citizens have never turned down a school levy. Your people should try it sometime. If your citizens were as concerned about the schools as our people, maybe you wouldn't complain so much.
    Well that's how you sound...well the levy did pass... and we have a nice complex still pay to play... the school district just skates by tho...

    and for the record i'm not complaining... just pointing out "the facts" back at you like i said i generally root for the Big Red... RRR and all that jazz... I like to see localish teams do well... heck i even went to your playoff games this year.... just to watch quality football... is there really anything better... and i mean better than quality football not Big Red lol

    oh and for the record i didn't use arrogant... a mod changed my word :P but it ened in hat your a smart dude you can figure it out...
  • FairwoodKing
    thereddragin wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    thereddragin wrote: so fairwood let me get this straight... Big Red fans want/need 7 home games so they can afford to the games and bring money into the program? as you stated your program helps pay for a math teacher... so obvs you guys are making plenty of money.... so i ask you does your school have pay to play? I know that both the schools in which i'm linked to have pay to play... so for us "fans" and parents that have to pay for our kids to play its logical in your eyes that we have to play at your place so you can save money? what about the other programs in the area that are struggling to even field a team at times... are you so selfish that you wouldn't be willling to play one more away game a year so another program could make some extra cash and possibly help get the program more competitive?

    I generally support the Big Red community but on this issue you guys (FWK in particular) are arrogant.

    ps I don't care about typo's and what nots... this is a internet forum as long as you get my message thats all that matters...
    I wasn't trying to be arrogant, I was just stating the facts. No, we don't have pay to play. That's because our citizens have never turned down a school levy. Your people should try it sometime. If your citizens were as concerned about the schools as our people, maybe you wouldn't complain so much.
    Well that's how you sound...well the levy did pass... and we have a nice complex still pay to play... the school district just skates by tho...

    and for the record i'm not complaining... just pointing out "the facts" back at you like i said i generally root for the Big Red... RRR and all that jazz... I like to see localish teams do well... heck i even went to your playoff games this year.... just to watch quality football... is there really anything better... and i mean better than quality football not Big Red lol

    oh and for the record i didn't use arrogant... a mod changed my word :P but it ened in hat your a smart dude you can figure it out...
    Our school district doesn't just skate by. If the citizens (including the Catholics) weren't so very concerned about the public schools in Steubenville, we wouldn't have outstanding teachers, state-of-the-art facilities, and a championship football team.

    Getting back to the issue of playing seven or eight home games every year, the school is in a position to do this because Big Red football has been independent for many years. We have been able to schedule anyone we want, including good teams like Massillon, Ursuline, Poland, Watterson, and Woodland Hills. I don't know what will happen when we join the ECOL. We may have to play more road games if we want to continue to schedule tough OOC teams. Whatever happens, the fans will support the team and the school.
  • war_admiral
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    thereddragin wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    thereddragin wrote: so fairwood let me get this straight... Big Red fans want/need 7 home games so they can afford to the games and bring money into the program? as you stated your program helps pay for a math teacher... so obvs you guys are making plenty of money.... so i ask you does your school have pay to play? I know that both the schools in which i'm linked to have pay to play... so for us "fans" and parents that have to pay for our kids to play its logical in your eyes that we have to play at your place so you can save money? what about the other programs in the area that are struggling to even field a team at times... are you so selfish that you wouldn't be willling to play one more away game a year so another program could make some extra cash and possibly help get the program more competitive?

    I generally support the Big Red community but on this issue you guys (FWK in particular) are arrogant.

    ps I don't care about typo's and what nots... this is a internet forum as long as you get my message thats all that matters...
    I wasn't trying to be arrogant, I was just stating the facts. No, we don't have pay to play. That's because our citizens have never turned down a school levy. Your people should try it sometime. If your citizens were as concerned about the schools as our people, maybe you wouldn't complain so much.
    Well that's how you sound...well the levy did pass... and we have a nice complex still pay to play... the school district just skates by tho...

    and for the record i'm not complaining... just pointing out "the facts" back at you like i said i generally root for the Big Red... RRR and all that jazz... I like to see localish teams do well... heck i even went to your playoff games this year.... just to watch quality football... is there really anything better... and i mean better than quality football not Big Red lol

    oh and for the record i didn't use arrogant... a mod changed my word :P but it ened in hat your a smart dude you can figure it out...
    Our school district doesn't just skate by. If the citizens (including the Catholics) weren't so very concerned about the public schools in Steubenville, we wouldn't have outstanding teachers, state-of-the-art facilities, and a championship football team.

    Getting back to the issue of playing seven or eight home games every year, the school is in a position to do this because Big Red football has been independent for many years. We have been able to schedule anyone we want, including good teams like Massillon, Ursuline, Poland, Watterson, and Woodland Hills. I don't know what will happen when we join the ECOL. We may have to play more road games if we want to continue to schedule tough OOC teams. Whatever happens, the fans will support the team and the school.
    You want to know what will happen FWK.......NOTHING. The sky won't fall, the sun will rise and you won't stand in front of a death panel.

    A road trip to Cambridge, Dover, Marietta, New Philadelphia, Zanesville is no big deal. Once we are in the ECOL. I hope we plan to start a KICKOFF CLASSIC or JAMBOREE. Big Red could still play week 1 on Thursday, while 2 games would be played on Saturday. Not many teams get to play in a stadium like ours. It would be an experience for them and a money maker for us.

    We could do it week 2 as well with Catholic teams. St Vincent-St Mary, Bishop Watterson, Lake Catholic, Walsh Jesuit, Ursuline, Bishop Rosecrans, Newark Catholic, Wheeling Central Catholic WV.

    4,000 to 5,000 steuby fans would enjoy 4 good games on back2back Saturdays at our stadium. That's not counting the other area fans. Plus the following of the teams in the games. It would sell out easy. $10.00 a ticket.

    We could bring in teams like Sherwood, Good Counsel, Dematha, Loyola from MD. Woodland Hills, Pitts. Cent Cath, North Penn, Jefferson Hills, Liberty, Bethel Park, Gateway from PA. Inkster, Muskegon, East Grand Rapids, Rockford from MI. Teams from OH could be Maple Hts, Solon, Glenville, Canfield, Poland, Louisville, Boardman, Warren Harding. Just to name a few.

    Or we could just keep it local or all OHIO games. Teams like Hubbard, Buckcry Local, Martins Ferry, Harrison Central, Coshocton etc.
  • FairwoodKing
    ^^^^ Sounds like a good idea. I hope someone makes it happen.
  • FairwoodKing
    When are we going to find out for sure if we are going to get in? I heard sometime in April, but that is only a rumor. And if we do get in, when will we start playing? 2012?

    I talked to my cousin tonight on the phone. He is a Dover grad and still keeps up with them from his home in Texas just I try to keep up with Big Red. He had not heard the story that Big Red might join the conference. He was very enthusiastic about us joining. Dover people always want another chance of bumping off the Big Red!
  • sonofsam
    war_admiral wrote: We could bring in teams like Sherwood, Good Counsel, Dematha, Loyola from MD. Woodland Hills, Pitts. Cent Cath, North Penn, Jefferson Hills, Liberty, Bethel Park, Gateway from PA. Inkster, Muskegon, East Grand Rapids, Rockford from MI. Teams from OH could be Maple Hts, Solon, Glenville, Canfield, Poland, Louisville, Boardman, Warren Harding. Just to name a few.

    Or we could just keep it local or all OHIO games. Teams like Hubbard, Buckcry Local, Martins Ferry, Harrison Central, Coshocton etc.
    We could? Why not we DO? Show us... Bring them in. Don't talk about it, DO IT.
  • ManO'War
    We have done it, and continue to do it.

    You guys just stick to bringing in powerhouses like John Hay, and leave the big boys to the big dogs.
  • FairwoodKing
    sonofsam wrote:
    war_admiral wrote: We could bring in teams like Sherwood, Good Counsel, Dematha, Loyola from MD. Woodland Hills, Pitts. Cent Cath, North Penn, Jefferson Hills, Liberty, Bethel Park, Gateway from PA. Inkster, Muskegon, East Grand Rapids, Rockford from MI. Teams from OH could be Maple Hts, Solon, Glenville, Canfield, Poland, Louisville, Boardman, Warren Harding. Just to name a few.

    Or we could just keep it local or all OHIO games. Teams like Hubbard, Buckcry Local, Martins Ferry, Harrison Central, Coshocton etc.
    We could? Why not we DO? Show us... Bring them in. Don't talk about it, DO IT.
    We DO do it. This year we're playing three teams that made it to their state final last year and another that made it to the state semifinal game. We were also supposed to play Warren Harding, but they backed out on us.
  • FairwoodKing
    I'll make a prediction. By 2012, Big Red will not play anyone from the OVAC because we will only want to play home-and-home against ECOL teams or powerhouses like Massillon. We may be down to six home games per season but we won't go below that.
  • FairwoodKing
    Reno said on TV that Big Red and Massillon are trying to extend their series beyond 2010. That's good news. I hope we continue to play Massillon for a long time.
  • sonofsam
    ManO'War wrote: We have done it, and continue to do it.

    You guys just stick to bringing in powerhouses like John Hay, and leave the big boys to the big dogs.
    So what powerhouse is on the schedule this year? Just wondering.
  • sonofsam
    FairwoodKing wrote: Reno said on TV that Big Red and Massillon are trying to extend their series beyond 2010. That's good news. I hope we continue to play Massillon for a long time.
    Me too, cause its only been a year since the mill closed... Yes you can still get those transfers, but Steubenville is dying. Good thing the mill in Weirton is still somewhat operational as well as many other surrounding towns. I don't know what Big red would do without them.
  • FairwoodKing
    sonofsam wrote:
    ManO'War wrote: We have done it, and continue to do it.

    You guys just stick to bringing in powerhouses like John Hay, and leave the big boys to the big dogs.
    So what powerhouse is on the schedule this year? Just wondering.
    We play Massillon and Ursuline back to back. That's a lot more than Creek would ever tackle.
  • sonofsam
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    sonofsam wrote:
    ManO'War wrote: We have done it, and continue to do it.

    You guys just stick to bringing in powerhouses like John Hay, and leave the big boys to the big dogs.
    So what powerhouse is on the schedule this year? Just wondering.
    We play Massillon and Ursuline back to back. That's a lot more than Creek would ever tackle.

    Correct... But what "can" Big Red tackle? Should be a little more than 7 out of state teams right? Or can they not handle scheduling teams that are willing to beat them?
  • ManO'War
    Funny stuff...considering the only team to beat Big Red in the last 70 scheduled games was "an out of state team"
  • skank
    Who cares who they play? Like I said before, if they played a bunch of out of state teams, then got beat in the first round of the playoffs, I could see giving them a hard time, but they don't, they actually prove they are the best in Ohio, when the time arrives. Save last year.
  • FairwoodKing
    sonofsam wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:
    sonofsam wrote:
    ManO'War wrote: We have done it, and continue to do it.

    You guys just stick to bringing in powerhouses like John Hay, and leave the big boys to the big dogs.
    So what powerhouse is on the schedule this year? Just wondering.
    We play Massillon and Ursuline back to back. That's a lot more than Creek would ever tackle.

    Correct... But what "can" Big Red tackle? Should be a little more than 7 out of state teams right? Or can they not handle scheduling teams that are willing to beat them?
    Inkster snapped our 68-game regular season winning streak last year and yet we put them right back on the schedule for this year. We're not afraid to play anybody. And if Massillon had beaten us last year, we would not have dropped them the way Dover did.
  • ManO'War
    FairwoodKing wrote:

    Inkster snapped our 68-game regular season winning streak last year and yet we put them right back on the schedule for this year. We're not afraid to play anybody. And if Massillon had beaten us last year, we would not have dropped them the way Dover did.
    I would actually say the opposite about Inkster....if we would have won that game then they probably wouldn't be on the schedule for this year, but I know losses eat at Reno, so I'm sure he wants some redemption.
  • FairwoodKing
    ManO'War wrote:
    FairwoodKing wrote:

    Inkster snapped our 68-game regular season winning streak last year and yet we put them right back on the schedule for this year. We're not afraid to play anybody. And if Massillon had beaten us last year, we would not have dropped them the way Dover did.
    I would actually say the opposite about Inkster....if we would have won that game then they probably wouldn't be on the schedule for this year, but I know losses eat at Reno, so I'm sure he wants some redemption.
    Then how do you explain Buffalo St. Joe's and O'Hara? We beat St. Joe's back in 2001 and O'Hara in 2007 and the two teams have been on our schedule ever since. Wheeling Park is another team that has never beaten us, but they are on our schedule every year.
  • ManO'War
    We have built up a relationship with those other schools, but Inkster was just supposed to be a one year deal. Once Inkster gets their league situation figured out, they won't be back.

    That's what people fail to realize about scheduling...most of it comes from building relationships with other coaches/ADs, and then they hear that so and so has an opening, then they work something out.

    Morgantown's coach is from Brooke. I believe that St John's came about from Gonazga and Good Councel contacts (they are all in the same league).
  • FairwoodKing
    ManO'War wrote: We have built up a relationship with those other schools, but Inkster was just supposed to be a one year deal. Once Inkster gets their league situation figured out, they won't be back.

    That's what people fail to realize about scheduling...most of it comes from building relationships with other coaches/ADs, and then they hear that so and so has an opening, then they work something out.

    Morgantown's coach is from Brooke. I believe that St John's came about from Gonazga and Good Councel contacts (they are all in the same league).
    Yes, I do know that these relationships make a big difference. And it's a good thing that Big Red has such a good reputation. I remember the circumstances about how we started playing O'Hara. The O'Hara coach had lunch with the St. Joe's coach so they could talk about coming to Steubenville. The St. Joe's coach put in a good word for us and we have been playing O'Hara ever since.
  • FairwoodKing
    Getting back to Big Red joining the ECOL, does anyone know when the league is going to vote on this? I heard that it would be sometime in April, but I never heard the exact date.