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2013 Orrville Red Riders football

  • unc4life
    Rider Dad, yes Hudl not huddle is becoming increasingly popular. We used it last year at a School in Columbus for basketball. Makes coaches lives so much easier, and really is a great tool for the kids too. No more cds to pass out or have to get together all the time. Kids can get access to the film any time and you can even assign different thing that the kids need to respond to. Also makes it a lot easier to do highlight films and such for recruiting. Overall its a great product that I know many schools are starting to take advantage of.
  • RedRider1
    Dr. KnOiTaLL;1489836 wrote:Not to mention has anyone ever seen more than one kid go for a header at the same time? There are PLENTY of concussions in soccer as well, so that's no excuse not to play football.

    I agree...but the amount of repeated contact in soccer is much less. Sure it can be physical, but it's not sustained & repeated. Never seen a high school soccer kid get ear-holes or de-cleated like you see in most football games.
  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
    RedRider1;1489941 wrote:I agree...but the amount of repeated contact in soccer is much less. Sure it can be physical, but it's not sustained & repeated. Never seen a high school soccer kid get ear-holes or de-cleated like you see in most football games.
    I agree with this; however, there also is protective headwear. Not to say that it prevents all injury, because even the newest helmets do not, but soccer has no headwear. I've heard of people having to quit soccer because of concussions before. I suppose part of it depends on how aggressively the game is played by each specific individual.

    The point I'm trying to make is that the gap in danger isn't as big as many people think.
  • RedRider1
    HumbleButHungry01;1489855 wrote:I agree that there is really no excuse not to play football other than just pure disinterest because from the numbers that i've seen posted the whole concussion issue doesn't seem to be affecting other area high school football participants...i wonder what really is the issue that this tradition rich school does not have many kids going out for football anymore..when i was coming through high school in the late 90's and early 2000's i don't ever remember a freshman team having less than 30-35 people now we have 6 at Orrville? WOW

    I can almost guarantee than an Orrville freshman team has never had 30-35 kids. Mid 20's maybe. I just never remember seeing more than a row or 2 of 9th graders in the team picture.

    And i think we have more than 6 frosh this year. Nice group of talented kids according to the coaches, just can't have a team with that few.
  • Havin Fun
    Order of concussions by sport..
    #1 Football
    #2 Girls soccer
    #3 Boys soccer
    Girls soccer is close to football in cases. Boys soccer is 1/2 the # of football and girls soccer.
    I dont think you will see the impact of new concussion rules until 2-3 games into the season when each team will have suffered a few by then. Once determined a concussion has occured, athlete needs to go 7 days until their last symptom to begin a state mandated 6-step rehab. You also have to pass the computerized concussion test and show you are back to near baseline result. The doctor will not release you with poor results. The test can't be fooled.
    I expect you will see some game changing outcomes from these rules.
    If a small school loses a 2 way starter for 3 weeks, that is a big deal.
  • HumbleButHungry01
    RedRider1;1489952 wrote:I can almost guarantee than an Orrville freshman team has never had 30-35 kids. Mid 20's maybe. I just never remember seeing more than a row or 2 of 9th graders in the team picture.

    And i think we have more than 6 frosh this year. Nice group of talented kids according to the coaches, just can't have a team with that few.
    Well i know for a fact when i was a freshman we had around that number of 25-30 (maybe not 35), i'm taking it you played in the 70s or something so that's more realistic haha but honestly no matter if it was 20-25 to only have SIX is laughable! regardless of how good people may claim those six are. Trust me i'm always going to be pulling for my highschool and college alma maters to do great things, it just saddens me to see the program going in this direction.
  • RedRider1
    HumbleButHungry01;1489957 wrote:Well i know for a fact when i was a freshman we had around that number of 25-30 (maybe not 35), i'm taking it you played in the 70s or something so that's more realistic haha but honestly no matter if it was 20-25 to only have SIX is laughable! regardless of how good people may claim those six are. Trust me i'm always going to be pulling for my highschool and college alma maters to do great things, it just saddens me to see the program going in this direction.
    It's more than 6. Not sure where that # is coming from.

    From looking at team picture, here's a close guess at the breakdown:

    Seniors - 14
    Juniors - 10
    Sophs - 10
    Frosh - 11

    I see 45 kids in uniform. I think 44 if you don't count the Auble kid (senior) since he's not playing (concussions) but will be a part of the team.
  • BRF
    Here's a point to consider:

    I spoke to a friend who has a freshman out that will probably be seeing considerable varsity action. He's 14 years old and the dad is concerned about him going up against 18 and 19 year olds.
  • rrfan
    BRF;1490064 wrote:Here's a point to consider:

    I spoke to a friend who has a freshman out that will probably be seeing considerable varsity action. He's 14 years old and the dad is concerned about him going up against 18 and 19 year olds.
    Very few can make that jump. It takes a special player. The player you are talking about has good genetics so hopefully that helps.
  • HumbleButHungry01
    RedRider1;1490043 wrote:It's more than 6. Not sure where that # is coming from.

    From looking at team picture, here's a close guess at the breakdown:

    Seniors - 14
    Juniors - 10
    Sophs - 10
    Frosh - 11

    I see 45 kids in uniform. I think 44 if you don't count the Auble kid (senior) since he's not playing (concussions) but will be a part of the team.

    Thanks RedRider1 for the info...i'm glad to see they have some kids out there..Go Riders!!!!!!
  • Greatwhite
    Actually here is the order according to the two most recent studies...rates per 100,000 athletic exposures

    Football: 64 -76.8
    Boys' ice hockey: 54
    Boys' lacrosse: 40 - 46.6
    Girl's soccer: 33
    Girls' lacrosse: 31 - 35
    Girls' field hockey: 22 - 24.9
    Boys' wrestling: 22 - 23.9
    Boys' soccer: 19 - 19.2
    Girls' basketball: 18.6 - 21
    Girls' softball: 16 - 16.3
    Boys' basketball: 16 - 21.2
    Cheerleading: 11.5 to 14
  • Old Rider
    BRF;1490064 wrote:Here's a point to consider:

    I spoke to a friend who has a freshman out that will probably be seeing considerable varsity action. He's 14 years old and the dad is concerned about him going up against 18 and 19 year olds.
    I would be concerned as well. Thinking back to my freshman year when we had to practice with the varsity and the fear I had when going against Damian Vaughn and Loren Burkey. The maturity of the older kids, their speed, strength, and experience is alot for a 14 yr old to match up against.
  • RedRider1
    HumbleButHungry01;1490091 wrote:Thanks RedRider1 for the info...i'm glad to see they have some kids out there..Go Riders!!!!!!

    No problem.

    One small edit..just got the numbers from the roster.

    13 seniors, 9 juniors, 11 sophomores, 11 frosh.

    Officially official.
  • Red Rider Nation
    RIDER DAD;1489857 wrote:Has anyone seen the new program that the schools are using call huddle (not to be confused with JJhuddle), coaches can send video to other team and players by way of theinternet, what a great tool for the kids, my son has been watching the Minerva scrimmage, on the I pad, has all the features of a video, zoom, slow motion, coaches can send particular plays they want the player to look at or upcoming games. This technology has been around for a while, it nice to see it being put to the proper use with football.
    Can you please fix your font? I just tore my retina trying to read your post. How's that for a football related injury?
  • jaco
    Old Rider;1489828 wrote:Another factor is the parents. Some will push their child to soccer just because it is not as physical as football and the chance for their child to get hurt or sustain a major injury in soccer is less likely as well. The concussion topic will scare some parents and that too will give them more reason to push a different sport on their child.
    I've talked to alot of kids, and their parents, who have elected not to play football. And these kids probably should be playing football. Twenty years ago they would've. What's the difference between now and then? First, the kids are soft as charmin. They are genuinely afraid of contact sports. They worry about injury, limp around at the slightest discomfort. Sure, they might go out in junior high because it's a social thing, but when the conditioning gets more difficult and the contact harder - they quit. Second, it's not just the contact, but because it's hard. A football player's life isn't easy. Kids like easy. Third. I blame the parents. They're raising wimps who prefer the easier course. Mom and dad don't like to push their kids to the more difficult path.

    The reason for football's decline in numbers is really similar to why wrestling's numbers are down. Kids don't like hard things, and parents don't put pressure on them to suck it up. It's really that simple. It's not soccer, etc. It's the fact the kids are mentally weak and their parents permit it. This is what makes me respect the kids who do play all the more.
  • Old Rider
    jaco;1490226 wrote:I've talked to alot of kids, and their parents, who have elected not to play football. And these kids probably should be playing football. Twenty years ago they would've. What's the difference between now and then? First, the kids are soft as charmin. They are genuinely afraid of contact sports. They worry about injury, limp around at the slightest discomfort. Sure, they might go out in junior high because it's a social thing, but when the conditioning gets more difficult and the contact harder - they quit. Second, it's not just the contact, but because it's hard. A football player's life isn't easy. Kids like easy. Third. I blame the parents. They're raising wimps who prefer the easier course. Mom and dad don't like to push their kids to the more difficult path.

    The reason for football's decline in numbers is really similar to why wrestling's numbers are down. Kids don't like hard things, and parents don't put pressure on them to suck it up. It's really that simple. It's not soccer, etc. It's the fact the kids are mentally weak and their parents permit it. This is what makes me respect the kids who do play all the more.
    I couldn't agree more! Maybe the best post I have read on this site...ever! Took the words right out of my mouth.
  • Havin Fun
    Amen to jaco.
  • Flash
    I have to agree some. I didn't want to go home because my Dad gave me something to do if I was just sitting around. No game boy. In those days there wasn't even a TV remote. I was the remote. My Dad said change the channel and I got up and went to the tv to change it. There was no questioning it.
  • RedRider1
    jaco;1490226 wrote:I've talked to alot of kids, and their parents, who have elected not to play football. And these kids probably should be playing football. Twenty years ago they would've. What's the difference between now and then? First, the kids are soft as charmin. They are genuinely afraid of contact sports. They worry about injury, limp around at the slightest discomfort. Sure, they might go out in junior high because it's a social thing, but when the conditioning gets more difficult and the contact harder - they quit. Second, it's not just the contact, but because it's hard. A football player's life isn't easy. Kids like easy. Third. I blame the parents. They're raising wimps who prefer the easier course. Mom and dad don't like to push their kids to the more difficult path.

    The reason for football's decline in numbers is really similar to why wrestling's numbers are down. Kids don't like hard things, and parents don't put pressure on them to suck it up. It's really that simple. It's not soccer, etc. It's the fact the kids are mentally weak and their parents permit it. This is what makes me respect the kids who do play all the more.
    Very well said.

    Soft as charmin...LOL.
  • rrfan
    jaco;1490226 wrote:I've talked to alot of kids, and their parents, who have elected not to play football. And these kids probably should be playing football. Twenty years ago they would've. What's the difference between now and then? First, the kids are soft as charmin. They are genuinely afraid of contact sports. They worry about injury, limp around at the slightest discomfort. Sure, they might go out in junior high because it's a social thing, but when the conditioning gets more difficult and the contact harder - they quit. Second, it's not just the contact, but because it's hard. A football player's life isn't easy. Kids like easy. Third. I blame the parents. They're raising wimps who prefer the easier course. Mom and dad don't like to push their kids to the more difficult path.

    The reason for football's decline in numbers is really similar to why wrestling's numbers are down. Kids don't like hard things, and parents don't put pressure on them to suck it up. It's really that simple. It's not soccer, etc. It's the fact the kids are mentally weak and their parents permit it. This is what makes me respect the kids who do play all the more.
    jaco please post here more often. That is exactly how I feel and many others. Great post.
  • jaco
    I don't want to sound like a "back in my day" guy, but I've honestly had these discussions recently. About two weeks ago I spoke with a dad whose son was a pretty decent linebacker. Showed up for a few practices in the off season, then just quit out of the blue. Here's what dad said to me: "these dumb coaches had him out of position, he's going to get hurt out there...what kind of insurance does the school have if he does get hurt??.. Heck, I can't make him play..you can't make a kid play a sport if he doesn't want to.." I've had this exact discussions dozens of times. The same stuff over and over..

    I will say this. We all get competitive in our rivalries, etc., and criticize kids performances on the field. But I have more respect for the fourth string long snapper on the worst team in the OCC than I do any of these kids who should be playing but are instead sitting in the stands with their buddies on a Friday night. At least these kids have the guts to try. And the soft kids are the first to say "our team sucks". That infuriates me. Either participate or support them, but that lazy kid in the stands hasn't earned the right to criticize the kids on the field. Last time I checked, there are no cuts in football rosters.
  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
    jaco;1490373 wrote:I don't want to sound like a "back in my day" guy, but I've honestly had these discussions recently. About two weeks ago I spoke with a dad whose son was a pretty decent linebacker. Showed up for a few practices in the off season, then just quit out of the blue. Here's what dad said to me: "these dumb coaches had him out of position, he's going to get hurt out there...what kind of insurance does the school have if he does get hurt??.. Heck, I can't make him play..you can't make a kid play a sport if he doesn't want to.." I've had this exact discussions dozens of times. The same stuff over and over..

    I will say this. We all get competitive in our rivalries, etc., and criticize kids performances on the field. But I have more respect for the fourth string long snapper on the worst team in the OCC than I do any of these kids who should be playing but are instead sitting in the stands with their buddies on a Friday night. At least these kids have the guts to try. And the soft kids are the first to say "our team sucks". That infuriates me. Either participate or support them, but that lazy kid in the stands hasn't earned the right to criticize the kids on the field. Last time I checked, there are no cuts in football rosters.
    Spot on, yet again.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jaco again.
  • Old Rider
    jaco;1490373 wrote:I don't want to sound like a "back in my day" guy, but I've honestly had these discussions recently. About two weeks ago I spoke with a dad whose son was a pretty decent linebacker. Showed up for a few practices in the off season, then just quit out of the blue. Here's what dad said to me: "these dumb coaches had him out of position, he's going to get hurt out there...what kind of insurance does the school have if he does get hurt??.. Heck, I can't make him play..you can't make a kid play a sport if he doesn't want to.." I've had this exact discussions dozens of times. The same stuff over and over..

    I will say this. We all get competitive in our rivalries, etc., and criticize kids performances on the field. But I have more respect for the fourth string long snapper on the worst team in the OCC than I do any of these kids who should be playing but are instead sitting in the stands with their buddies on a Friday night. At least these kids have the guts to try. And the soft kids are the first to say "our team sucks". That infuriates me. Either participate or support them, but that lazy kid in the stands hasn't earned the right to criticize the kids on the field. Last time I checked, there are no cuts in football rosters.
    Two days in a row! Keep em coming!
  • rrfan
    Preach the good word Jaco!
  • CCRolly
    Good stuff! One more week to go!