Orrville Red Rider Football 2011

• BRF

  

  It would be great and a really big deal if we were to face off vs. Norwayne in the play-offs.
• was_that_it

  I will say this.... Any true HS football fan, even the hard-core WCAL fans and OCC fans, should admit the following....
  1.) Orrville's Schedule is a meat grinder! Strength of schedule way above Norwayne's. No doubt.
  2.) OCC talent pool top to bottom runs a tad (haha ok more than a tad) deeper than the WCAL
  3.) Orrville's talent pool top to bottom on paper is superior to Norwayne's.
  4.) Orrville's freshman team in no way would be a "better game" than Norwayne's varsity squad this year. Saying so is disrespectful.
  5.) The top 2 WCAL finishers would...this may just be my opinon....WOULD be competative, not dominate, but competative in the OCC.
  In closing, about Orrville's schedule this year and where Norwayne would be....well I hate saying how many they would win....But they may only get blown out a couple games. I wouldn't think 1-9. Maybe 4-6. I do love this time of year! I have a great respect for our area football. Good luck to both teams this year!
• 1_beast

  

  HS football is GOAT (after wrestling)
• 5knots

  

  was_that_it;841585 wrote:I will say this.... Any true HS football fan, even the hard-core WCAL fans and OCC fans, should admit the following....
  1.) Orrville's Schedule is a meat grinder! Strength of schedule way above Norwayne's. No doubt.
  2.) OCC talent pool top to bottom runs a tad (haha ok more than a tad) deeper than the WCAL
  3.) Orrville's talent pool top to bottom on paper is superior to Norwayne's.
  4.) Orrville's freshman team in no way would be a "better game" than Norwayne's varsity squad this year. Saying so is disrespectful.
  5.) The top 2 WCAL finishers would...this may just be my opinon....WOULD be competative, not dominate, but competative in the OCC.
  In closing, about Orrville's schedule this year and where Norwayne would be....well I hate saying how many they would win....But they may only get blown out a couple games. I wouldn't think 1-9. Maybe 4-6. I do love this time of year! I have a great respect for our area football. Good luck to both teams this year!

  
  Well spoken post. I would only slightly disagree on point 5 and it is because Orrville is far from Dominant in the OCC as I would consider us in that competitive group and the point you are making is referring (I think) to Bobcat talking about our schedule and he was referring to our entire schedule. If we opened the year with someone other than NW, Triway and Copley and our schedule strength was only the OCC I can see your point. Well done though.
• riders1

  

  Wow, 4 1/2 weeks until the opener, and people are talking Regional games, how about Northwest and 9 more before we talk playoffs and points against,. Let the season's games be decided and then we can talk matchups kids!
• riders1

  

  BRF;841051 wrote:Hey Rider Brothers....at Bert's they have a free Marathon Gridiron Guide for the 2011 Buckeyes which give rosters of all the opponents. BRF sees Rhyne Ladrach, Chase Hoobler.....and even Max Pirman! Pretty cool.
  
  Rider1: If you don't get one, I will gladly trade you mine for that Bob Feller statue!

  BRF got my Buckeyes guide, and it was jjhuddle not the Plain Dealer projecting regionals, PD comes later and then we can laugh at them.
  Feller statue is still patiently waiting in the box for you. Just out of curiousity I looked on Ebay and the bids are very slow and low which I thought was surprising as it should be an Indians fan collectible.
  I could just bury it on the golf course
• 5knots

  

  riders1;841675 wrote:Wow, 4 1/2 weeks until the opener, and people are talking Regional games, how about Northwest and 9 more before we talk playoffs and points against,. Let the season's games be decided and then we can talk matchups kids!

  What fun would that be to talk about NW for 5 weeks. Hahaha
• was_that_it

  5knots;841666 wrote:Well spoken post. I would only slightly disagree on point 5 and it is because Orrville is far from Dominant in the OCC as I would consider us in that competitive group and the point you are making is referring (I think) to Bobcat talking about our schedule and he was referring to our entire schedule. If we opened the year with someone other than NW, Triway and Copley and our schedule strength was only the OCC I can see your point. Well done though.

  
  Thanks 5knots, You bring up a good point about my "competative" reference. You made me rethink how to say what I was thinking. I am of the opinion that the top 2 teams in the WCAL would not be bottom feeders of the OCC. They may not contend for the title year in and year out, but they would do better than most would think. Then again maybe I think too highly of the WCAL like Red Rider Nation thinks a little highly of your freshman team. haha
  Seriously though I enjoy reading the Rider faithfull's posts, much respect to the program you guys have over there. Very fun to watch.
• 5knots

  

  I would agree with that completely. You could maybe say that about the top teams in any conference being able to be competitive in another conference. The WCAL has a tendency to be suspect to more "down" years just by the shear numbers of kids enrolled. You get e few years in a row of athletes that are sub par and you have some bad football teams. That can and has happened even in Orrville. We are a little less suspect to that with the stability of the program and expertise we have readily available to our kids in strength coaching (Davault and Olsen), speed training (Mosley a level 1 certified speed trainer) and good position coaches with length of tenure and experience envied by many. That coaching stability and off season program can make a mediocre athlete very competitive and a good athlete highly competitive. We have seen examples of both types for many years now.
• RedRider1

  

  was_that_it;841813 wrote:Thanks 5knots, You bring up a good point about my "competative" reference. You made me rethink how to say what I was thinking. I am of the opinion that the top 2 teams in the WCAL would not be bottom feeders of the OCC. They may not contend for the title year in and year out, but they would do better than most would think. Then again maybe I think too highly of the WCAL like Red Rider Nation thinks a little highly of your freshman team. haha
  Seriously though I enjoy reading the Rider faithfull's posts, much respect to the program you guys have over there. Very fun to watch.

  Couple of good, substantive posts. Thanks. Chatter needs more of that.
• thedemoralizer7

  i think a handfull of wcal teams could compete in the OCC. i know that west holmes, mansfield Sr, maybe even wooster would have their hands full with a few wcal teams atleast from the 2010 season
• THE4RINGZ

  

  thedemoralizer7;842412 wrote:i think a handfull of wcal teams could compete in the OCC. i know that west holmes, mansfield Sr, maybe even wooster would have their hands full with a few wcal teams atleast from the 2010 season

  Senior and Wooster would destroy the WCAL, those teams have speed unlike any WCAL team has ever seen.
• thedemoralizer7

  THE4RINGZ;842427 wrote:Senior and Wooster would destroy the WCAL, those teams have speed unlike any WCAL team has ever seen.

  
  its easy to say the occ would destroy the wcal but the occ may not find out for awhile until a wcal team actually plays one. im sure if the wcal had the chance to play orrville or any other occ team they would be jacked up. also the wcal would have more to play for if they played orrville than orrville would have playin a wcal team. just sayin
• Old Rider

  

  thedemoralizer7;842441 wrote:its easy to say the occ would destroy the wcal but the occ may not find out for awhile until a wcal team actually plays one. im sure if the wcal had the chance to play orrville or any other occ team they would be jacked up. also the wcal would have more to play for if they played orrville than orrville would have playin a wcal team. just sayin

  
  More to play for? Orrville would love nothing more than to play a WCAL team and finally put the end to some talk!!! We would have plenty to play for...years of talk and no game. We would welcome that any day!!!
  
  Just hope your ready!
• 1_beast

  

  Old Rider;842502 wrote:More to play for? Orrville would love nothing more than to play a WCAL team and finally put the end to some talk!!! We would have plenty to play for...years of talk and no game. We would welcome that any day!!!
  
  Just hope your ready!

  I remember a not so happy day when Northwestern sent ya packing in BB a few months ago....be careful what ya wish for
  
  EDIT: You know I gotta stir the pot!!!!
• RRRock

  I am not sure Orrville would have anything to gain, they would be expected to win, but would be fun to watch. I always wished that when a WCL team does have a very good team it would be cool to see if they could play with Orrville. I think of Smithville back in the late 90's early 2000's, Dalton back when they were really good, Waynedale, Northwestern, and Hillsdale team last year. Would be nice to see, but I know it is not going to happen.
• Old Rider

  

  Football thread.....regular season loss to northwestern? how did they end up when the it really counts...tournament of course
• 1_beast

  

  Its relative in the fact that its Orrville vs WCAL...unless its only relevant in football...just sayin
• THE4RINGZ

  

  The way the playoff points are currently determined for FB, a team like orrville can't afford to schedule down and play a WCAL team.
• 1_beast

  

  THE4RINGZ;842536 wrote:The way the playoff points are currently determined for FB, a team like orrville can't afford to schedule down and play a WCAL team.

  
  I dont buy into that...play down to play a Waynedale or Smithville (who wasnt stellar last year) but are traditionally strong....but you call a 50-3 advantage over Triway (perrenially unstable until the last few years)...How is the Triway game a Rivalry when it is that one sided??? Jump ship on that and play a few home and homes with a few WCAL's....beat us up!!!!
  
  
  EDIT: What do I know...Im just a wrestling dad!
• THE4RINGZ

  

  1_beast;842543 wrote:I dont buy into that...play down to play a Waynedale or Smithville (who wasnt stellar last year) but are traditionally strong....but you call a 50-3 advantage over Triway (perrenially unstable until the last few years)...How is the Triway game a Rivalry when it is that one sided??? Jump ship on that and play a few home and homes with a few WCAL's....beat us up!!!!
  
  
  EDIT: What do I know...Im just a wrestling dad!

  Please direct all related to comments to my new thread OCC v. WCAL. I am all about keeping the trolls off THIS thread.
• OQB

  

  THE4RINGZ;842544 wrote:Please direct all related to comments to my new thread OCC v. WCAL. I am all about keeping the trolls off THIS thread.

  
  Wow...haha that post coming from you. Have you enrolled your son at Orrville yet?
• 1_beast

  

  THE4RINGZ;842544 wrote:Please direct all related to comments to my new thread OCC v. WCAL. I am all about keeping the trolls off THIS thread.

  
  
  Pay attention son...this started as a conversation about Norwayne and Orrville.....then 5knots made an OCC referance...then it went to Orrville vs WCAL.....no need for an OCC vs WCAL thread. Remind me again...are you a Wooster guy? Triway? Northwestern? and now Orrville has been added to your teams....I guess if you keep going...you'll always have a winner, just add a few more teams!
  Im out...unless I get summoned
• OQB

  

  This is from CalPreps so take it for what it's worth, I just wanted to see what they thought on the issue:
  
  Orrville vs the WCAL
  
  Orrville 62 Chippewa 0
  Orrville 35 Dalton 6
  Orrville 21 Hillsdale 20
  Orrville 21 Norwayne 8
  Orrville 41 Northwestern 0
  Orrville 42 Rittman 6
  Orrville 46 Smithville 0
  Orrville 42 Wayndale 0
  
  That is 2 games they are predicting that we get slowed down and have a close game, BUT they do go off of how the team did last year so this would make sense since both Hillsdale and Norwayne went far in the playoffs and both those teams lost a lot of contributors to those teams as did we lose our offensive line.
  
  Orrville vs our 2011 schedule:
  
  Orrville 28 Northwest 13
  Orrville 31 Triway 13
  Orrville 21 Copley 20
  Orrville 21 Lexington 14
  Orrville 28 Masfield Sr. 14
  Orrville 40 West Holmes 6
  Ashland 28 Orrville 21
  Orrville 31 Mansfield Madison 10
  Orrville 22 Clear Fork 21
  Orrville 26 Wooster 14
• Red Rider Nation

  Geez guys did I stir this up with my comment about our freshman team being a better game than Norwayne? I was totally kidding about that and not being "disrepsectful". And as far as bulletin board material if anyone at this level needs that crap to get them motivated for a playoff game or any game for that matter they shouldnt be playing. Orrville is very talented yes. However talent and tradition alone will not get us that far. We have to execute and have discipline. In recent years, our discipline has been lacking and I see sometimes players walking off the field, shirts untucked, and helmets off. That was our biggest downfall last year along with the ridiculous penalties for late hits, etc. With all this being said we are as talented an Orrville team as I have ever seen but its not the kids Im worried about its the coaches ability to get them up for hopefully 15 games. After all last year, we could have even missed the playoffs. We were down 21-0 to Mansfield Sr, down early to Madison and losing at halftime to West Holmes, all teams that we were better then. Oh and not to mention that team from Bellville that came in and embarrassed us on our own field. Im just reminding everyone that this team is amazing but making the playoffs is not a guarantee. We need to bring it hard every game or we will not make the postseason. I can go toe to toe with anyone on RR football. Only 30 more days until it all starts and I cant wait!!!