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Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

  • GoChiefs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzfa24vz1Qo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
  • sherm03
    Reps!

    Side note, that kick was good from 50. That was a boot and a half!
  • Al Bundy
    If Reno had better control of his players in the 4rd quarter it may have never happened.
  • Dean Wormer
    Al Bundy;996206 wrote:If Reno had better control of his players in the 4rd quarter it may have never happened.
    BINGO!!!!!! When you teach a kid to intimidate sometimes it comes back to bite you in the *ss. A little discipline would have won the game for the little red.
  • GoChiefs
    Al Bundy;996206 wrote:If Reno had better control of his players in the 4rd quarter it may have never happened.
    That might have prevented this one too!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym9s5l5fnjU&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL9F46B60CC5E0FCCD
  • skank
    sherm03;995848 wrote:That is exactly my point coyotes. To think that Massillion scouted out Oregon, and found this kid, got him to move to Ohio and play for their team is silly. But it's just as silly to think that St. Ignatius did it.

    The most annoying part of the whole thing is that the things that skank and thinthick point to as reasons why private schools have an advantage are things that are occurring at each of their schools! THAT is why I get so annoyed on this thread. How many times has skank said that St. Ignatius is doing something fishy because their QB is from Oregon? But he gets ****ty with someone when they bring up the kid from Massillion. The same goes for thinthick. He says private schools bring in kids from all over, and then says it's perfectly fine for Big Red to bring in open enrollment kids because the education at Big Red is just better.

    I'm all for debating. I actually really enjoyed it when sykotyk would come on this thread and talk about his stance because he actually brought something to the discussion. But skank and thinthick do nothing but say the same **** over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...and act like it's perfectly fine when the exact same things happen at their schools.


    Yeah, you and the boys never say the same thing over and over. You guys are the ones who started calling names, which, really, means nothing to me, it just shows the maturity level you try to portray myself as having is even lower on your end.

    You guys say that you have given stats and data and think that we should all just say, "Oh, I guess they're right". Well tsst and myself have given some too, but that's different right?
  • Thinthickbigred
    Dean Wormer;996213 wrote:BINGO!!!!!! When you teach a kid to intimidate sometimes it comes back to bite you in the *ss. A little discipline would have won the game for the little red.
    shut the efff up you dont know Reno . We intimidate by out hitting teams like we did against the U the a few weeks back . you want to see a bunch of cocky talkers; that has always been the U
  • Thinthickbigred
    Question Did you ever play? and if so for who
  • GoChiefs
    Thinthickbigred;996289 wrote:Question Did you ever play? and if so for who
    LMAO...what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

    I won a state title for Big Red back in the 80's. :o
  • Dean Wormer
    Thinthickbigred;996280 wrote:shut the efff up you dont know Reno . We intimidate by out hitting teams like we did against the U the a few weeks back . you want to see a bunch of cocky talkers; that has always been the U
    But the U, I'm assuming you mean Mooney, has never assaulted a ref and been penalized which cost us a game. Can Reno and the river boys say the same?
  • Thinthickbigred
    GoChiefs;996308 wrote:LMAO...what the **** does that have to do with anything?

    I won a state title for Big Red back in the 80's. :o
    that is sarcasm I see . I just asked a simple question . you make jokes . Why ? Does this conversation not pertain to high school football ? Asking if you played is legit . i just wanted to know if you had any stones or if you were as big a blow hard back then as you are now . i might atleast respect you a little if you had played . if you have always just been a sidline analyst then I wont even acknowledge you anymore ,then it could ease both our minds .
  • Thinthickbigred
    Dean Wormer;996340 wrote:But the U, I'm assuming you mean Mooney, has never assaulted a ref and been penalized which cost us a game. Can Reno and the river boys say the same?
    Refs didnt get assaulted in that game but one or two of them sure should of after it
  • GoChiefs
    Thinthickbigred;996343 wrote:that is sarcasm I see . I just asked a simple question . you make jokes . Why ? Does this conversation not pertain to high school football ? Asking if you played is legit . i just wanted to know if you had any stones or if you were as big a blow hard back then as you are now . i might atleast respect you a little if you had played . if you have always just been a sidline analyst then I wont even acknowledge you anymore ,then it could ease both our minds .
    You see, some of us had a little thing called 'responsibilities' during high school. Don't hate just because I continue to make you look like an idiot over and over. Playing football has nothing to do with your knowledge of football you dumbass. Are you REALLY that stupid? Come on now. LOL @ you thinking I give a shit about you having any respect for me. Now THAT'S probably the best joke you've told on this site yet.
  • Al Bundy
    Thinthickbigred;996343 wrote:that is sarcasm I see . I just asked a simple question . you make jokes . Why ? Does this conversation not pertain to high school football ? Asking if you played is legit . i just wanted to know if you had any stones or if you were as big a blow hard back then as you are now . i might atleast respect you a little if you had played . if you have always just been a sidline analyst then I wont even acknowledge you anymore ,then it could ease both our minds .
    You have bitched and whined all year and you question if someone else has any stones?....lmao
  • Dean Wormer
    Al Bundy;996352 wrote:You have bitched and whined all year and you question if someone else has any stones?....lmao
    Nobody ever said thicky was a man now did they? Maybe he is a little whiny girl and we have never really asked. Or maybe his old lady has his stones in a jar on the mantel at home. I'm going with the later!
  • Thinthickbigred
    GoChiefs;996349 wrote:You see, some of us had a little thing called 'responsibilities' during high school. Don't hate just because I continue to make you look like an idiot over and over. Playing football has nothing to do with your knowledge of football you dumbass. Are you REALLY that stupid? Come on now. LOL @ you thinking I give a **** about you having any respect for me. Now THAT'S probably the best joke you've told on this site yet.
    thats what I thought . you sir have nothing of substance to add . if name calling is substance then maybe
  • Al Bundy
    Thinthickbigred;996384 wrote:thats what I thought . you sir have nothing of substance to add . if name calling is substance then maybe
    Pot meet kettle
  • landshark0731
    So basically what Skank and Thick are saying is????? It's ok for the West VirStuebenville Mountaineers and The Massillon Bungels to have kids attend there schools via open enrollment.However, The small city of Youngstown isn't. again if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. if you fall short hit the weight room and film room.You know there is a very small school just north of Massillon that plays primarily schools alot bigger than them. yet that very small school plays whoever, whenever. They have four state championships and yes they are a public school who doesn't whine about private schools. They play privates and sometimes win and sometimes lose. That little school is Mogadore. Winners train and losers complain. it is sad that our society is so soft that losing is no longer a form of inspiration to achieve better results. losing in this day and age is just that the other team cheated us.... such a shame of the example we are setting to our younger generation. i apologize for the name calling of big red and massillon as they both are respected football communities but so is mooney and ursuline. Good luck to Mooney on ther quest to number 8. sorry about my punctuation skank i know it won't meet your standards lol.
  • GoChiefs
    Thinthickbigred;996384 wrote:thats what I thought . you sir have nothing of substance to add . if name calling is substance then maybe
    LMAO! So, because someone didn't play football, they know nothing about football? Jesus! Are you really this ignorant? Do you HONESTLY believe that or is that just your way of getting out of looking stupid? You just can't make this shit up! You're comedy gold, but sadly, it's unintentional on your part! You definitely bring the lulz. Thank you for posting.
  • Thinthickbigred
    Al Bundy;996386 wrote:Pot meet kettle
    this is you and Gochiefs or does it bring back earlier memories?http://youtu.be/n0pLa5s67WQ
  • GoChiefs
    landshark0731;996401 wrote:if you fall short hit the weight room and film room.
    Bullshit. You just kick the best teams out so you can be handed a trophy!
  • Thinthickbigred
    http://youtu.be/Fkxcl3VrU44
  • GoChiefs
    Thinthickbigred;996404 wrote:this is you and Gochiefs or does it bring back earlier memories?http://youtu.be/n0pLa5s67WQ
    What's up Mr. Piggy?

    [video=youtube;9gLN3QoN-q8][/video]
  • genghis dong
    Thinthickbigred;996280 wrote:shut the efff up you dont know Reno . We intimidate by out hitting teams like we did against the U the a few weeks back . you want to see a bunch of cocky talkers; that has always been the U
    Watch out Dean you better not go to Manfreds or thinthick and the special olympic boys will fight you
  • skank
    Another nice article.

    Please read it all....But especially the highlighted words/sentences.

    Coach Crable denies allegations [HR][/HR]Letter details complaints

    By Michael D. Clark
    The Cincinnati Enquirer
    Rival public schools accuse Moeller High School — a nationally known Catholic football power that has waned recently — of two clear violations of player recruiting rules and of violating the spirit of the rules.
    Greater Miami Conference documents obtained by the Enquirer show allegations that Moeller illicitly recruited public school students with a postage-paid pamphlet soliciting personal information and through a coach's visit to a church. The schools also complained that Moeller recruited at a Pee Wee football practice, against the spirit of the Ohio High School Athletic Association's bylaws.
    The Enquirer reported earlier that Columbus-based OHSAA officials traveled Monday to both Princeton and Moeller in the initial stages of investigating the storied football program. The GMC documents, obtained this week through the Freedom of Information Act, include the letter that triggered the investigation.
    “The principals of the (GMC) view this as a very serious matter,” stated Princeton High School Principal Raymond Bauer, who is also president of the GMC's Principal Committee, in a Dec. 7 letter to OHSAA officials.
    His letter detailed two alleged recruiting instances that he said were “in clear violation of OHSAA bylaws” — the brochure “regarding the football program requesting information ... and also if they are in need of financial assistance,” and “a sport-specific flier directed at 7th and 8th grade students at (a Catholic church) which services both public and parochial schools.”
    Moeller coach Bob Crable on Thursday denied any illicit recruiting and said the GMC complained because “they are trying to protect themselves, protect their players and their districts.”
    Mr. Crable agreed that the school distributed the pamphlet and that he had arranged to speak to young players at Good Shepherd Church in Montgomery and at a Pee Wee practice in Princeton's school district.
    Moeller officials earlier said the now-discontinued pamphlets were designed only to “generate enthusiasm about Moeller” and its new coach. The color pamphlet asks young players to provide personal information such as school, team, coach, parents' name and whether they are interested in financial aid from Moeller, and to mail back the stamped card.
    GMC athletic officials from Princeton, Sycamore and Lakota West have already met with OSHAA officials. The GMC also includes football powers Colerain and Hamilton.
    Recruiting rules are meant to help competitive fairness among schools of varying resources and to guard against improper enticements of young athletes. The accusations of recruiting violations and the rare OHSAA investigation come as Moeller is rebuilding after a disappointing season. The school has won seven state championships and five mythical national championships.
    The Crusaders were 5-5 last season as three Greater Cincinnati teams — Colerain, St. Xavier and Elder — were among the nation's top 25-rated teams, a first for a single city.
    Mr. Crable said Thursday: “Yes, (the pamphlet) looks from a outsider trying to interpret the rules — and certainly from a standpoint of where Sycamore and Princeton are coming from” like a recruiting pamphlet.
    “Unfortunately, the perception is different from the intention. That's why we stopped it,” he said, referring to the school's decision to halt distribution after an initial complaint was made to the school in November.
    According to OHSAA bylaws, schools may use such pamphlets in “mass marketing,” but only if such literature also addresses other aspects of the school — such as academics — along with sports.
    There is no mention of academics in the Moeller pamphlet.
    “Where we made the mistake was ... was not including other aspects of the school,” Mr. Crable said.
    He doesn't dispute GMC officials' contention that he arranged a Sept. 24 meeting for seventh- and eighth-grade boys at Good Shepherd Church to recruit for Moeller football, but denied that was improper. However, OHSAA bylaws prohibit sports recruiting beyond the sixth grade.
    Mr. Crable also didn't dispute that he recruited 11-year-old boys at a Pee Wee football practice in Sharonville on Oct. 9. He said he distributed the football pamphlet in question at the practice.
    Though Mr. Crable's recruitment at Pee Wee football is described by GMC officials as only a violation of the spirit of the bylaws, it elicited comment from other current and former Catholic coaches.
    Terry Malone, head football coach of Badin High School in Hamilton for 44 years, and the ninth-winningest coach in history of American high school football, said any Catholic coach actively recruiting at Pee Wee football is “going over the line” because there may be public school youngsters on the team.
    Former Moeller football coach Steve Klonne, replaced in 2000 by Mr. Crable after 23 years at Moeller, agreed, saying: “I did not aggressively go to Pee Wee games to recruit. Basically, I followed the rules.”
    Mr. Crable said whether his recruiting methods are in violation “is a decision (the OHSAA) is going to have to make.”
    If the OHSAA rules against Moeller, then “we'll have to deal with that as it comes down,” he said. “But we are trying to do things the right way.”
    OHSAA officials have said if Moeller is found guilty of violating the sports organization's rules, it could face penalties ranging from fines up to $1,000, public censure, denial of participation in postseason play, suspension from the OHSAA or other penalties deemed appropriate by the OHSAA commissioner. OHSAA Commissioner Clair Muscaro said the investigation is expected to last about two weeks, but declined further comment.
    GMC officials and coaches said they would not comment on their accusations during the OHSAA investigation. Dan Andriacco, spokesman for the Archdiocese of Cincinnati, said: “If they (OHSAA) find a violation, they will levy the penalty, which we will enforce. We will cooperate in their investigation, if they need us, but I don't think they will.”



    Some things I noticed.

    "Questioned wether they would be in nedd of financial assistance". Isn't that an athletic scholarship?

    If the pamphlet that Crable was passing out was legal, why would they "stop" passing it out, regardless of what the, "perception" was?

    "However, OHSAA bylaws prohibit sports recruiting beyond the sixth grade"????

    Crable....recruited 11 year olds? Wow, what a tool.

    But my favorite was when Klonne said, "Basically, I followed the rules". BASICALLY?