Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• redstreak one

  

  Sherm, it isnt intentional with keeping numbers down, just a by product of charging tuition and having extremely high standards. I dont have an image in my head of private school boards sitting around a table in a smoke filled room laughing about how they are beating the system in sports! lol However, I am not naive enough to think that they arent receiving benefit of having a school that charges with high entrance standards in an area where public schools are failing because of socio economic problems.
  
  Steelhound, with that thinking, why dont we go back to having just ONE state champion. By gosh, then we will know wont we! lol
• redstreak one

  

  The biggest problem is population differences! Small schools in large urban areas have a better chance of attracting enough talent to their district to give them an advantage over a small school in small population area.
• Sonofanump

  Thinthickbigred;563843 wrote:Everybody knows that no public school has a chance in the lower divisions against Ursulin and Delphose St Johns and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..

  
  You never cease to amaze me.
• sherm03

  

  redstreak one;564041 wrote:Sherm, it isnt intentional with keeping numbers down, just a by product of charging tuition and having extremely high standards. I dont have an image in my head of private school boards sitting around a table in a smoke filled room laughing about how they are beating the system in sports! lol However, I am not naive enough to think that they arent receiving benefit of having a school that charges with high entrance standards in an area where public schools are failing because of socio economic problems.

  
  I can understand. I apologize for misinterpreting your post. I have read too many times people who insinuate that Mooney and Ursuline keep their enrollment numbers down on purpose, and that's what I thought you were hinting at.
• Con_Alma

  Thinthickbigred;563843 wrote:Everybody knows that no public school has a chance in the lower divisions against Ursulin and Delphose St Johns and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..

  
  
  Why put an (S) on St. John but not put an (S) on Ursuline???
• Rocket08

  Y-Town Steelhound;564035 wrote:Yea, go ahead and have separate playoffs. Then go ahead and explain to your son (if you send him to a public school) how no matter how well his team does they'll never know if they're TRULY the best team because some "adults" decided that it "wasn't fair". The pussification of this country continues.

  
  BINGO!!
• queencitybuckeye

  Y-Town Steelhound;564035 wrote:Yea, go ahead and have separate playoffs. Then go ahead and explain to your son (if you send him to a public school) how no matter how well his team does they'll never know if they're TRULY the best team because some "adults" decided that it "wasn't fair".

  
  This. As a fan of a public school D1 champion, claiming to be "state champion" without Iggy, Eds, Elder, X, etc. in the field would be an absolute joke.
• Rocket08

  Thinthickbigred;563843 wrote:Everybody knows that no public school has a chance in the lower divisions against Ursulin and Delphose St Johns and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..

  
  Doesn't your school have a wining record against Ursuline?
  
  Aren't you an Open Enrollment school with students that don't even live in Ohio?
  
  You're complaints both ring hollow, and make you look like a crybaby at the same time. If Ursuline didn't beat you in your own stadium this year, you would have had no reason to start this thread
  
  Cry me a (Ohio) river
• queencitybuckeye

  Con_Alma;564065 wrote:Why put an (S) on St. John but not put an (S) on Ursuline???

  
  Not to mention the extra "e" in Delphos(e).
• Sonofanump

  Con_Alma;564065 wrote:Why put an (S) on St. John but not put an (S) on Ursuline???

  queencitybuckeye;564078 wrote:Not to mention the extra "e" in Delphos(e).

  
  Theyre
• Con_Alma

  Yeah, but I for the life of me can't figure out the automatic willingness to throw an S on to the name of schools like St. Edward or St. John. I am just trying to understand where it came from. There's got to be a rational explanation for it.
  
  I make spelling and grammatical errors all the time but this (S) thing is really strange to me because it's done so consistently by so many people.
• sherm03

  

  Rocket08;564074 wrote:Doesn't your school have a wining record against Ursuline?
  
  Aren't you an Open Enrollment school with students that don't even live in Ohio?
  
  You're complaints both ring hollow, and make you look like a crybaby at the same time. If Ursuline didn't beat you in your own stadium this year, you would have had no reason to start this thread
  
  Cry me a (Ohio) river

  What do you expect from a guy who is too afraid to make a simple bet where the loser has to only make a thread on here. I thought people from the 'ville were tough..guess I was wrong.
• Thinthickbigred

  sorry for the misspellings or typos.....ok ladies .... I dont care if they chang the format or not ..but I think some of our smaller breathren that have great teams every 70 years and get beat by a university might have issues ...Ofcourse it isnt really settled yet .... my design is above some of you ..But thats ok if it helps my cause..
• Con_Alma

  Thinthickbigred;564180 wrote:... I dont care if they chang the format or not ...

  That's very difficult to believe when considering the pattern of stinging comments directed at private schools.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  Just make the privates figures match their geographical area. On another thread an Ursuline fan said they get kids from a 20 mile radius. Make their divisional position match the population from that 20 mile radius. I am guessing in Youngstown that easily makes them D1. But a rural private school would not move to D1 because the geographical population they draw from would be far less in most cases.
• sherm03

  

  tsst_fballfan;564199 wrote:Just make the privates figures match their geographical area. On another thread an Ursuline fan said they get kids from a 20 mile radius. Make their divisional position match the population from that 20 mile radius. I am guessing in Youngstown that easily makes them D1. But a rural private school would not move to D1 because the geographical population they draw from would be far less in most cases.

  That's all well and good. But then the open-enrollment schools need to be held to the same standards.
• Con_Alma

  tsst_fballfan;564199 wrote:Just make the privates figures match their geographical area. ...

  What does that mean? How do you define a private's geographical area? Would you base it on the residence of the farthest student?
  
  If you take such a route wouldn't you be counting students that attend another school...maybe a public school?
• Crimson and Gray Hair

  

  tsst_fballfan;564199 wrote:Just make the privates figures match their geographical area. On another thread an Ursuline fan said they get kids from a 20 mile radius. Make their divisional position match the population from that 20 mile radius. I am guessing in Youngstown that easily makes them D1. But a rural private school would not move to D1 because the geographical population they draw from would be far less in most cases.

  
  

  sherm03;564261 wrote:That's all well and good. But then the open-enrollment schools need to be held to the same standards.

  
  
  Yes and Yes!
  However, this would take the smaller privates (sorry about the 's') who don't have a killer athletic program completely out of contention in their divisions. Example: Tuscarawas Central Catholic's (pun intended) is located in New Philadelphia so would surely get at least the designation of D2 - not appropriate at all for the level talent they can field!
  Just ain't no good answer here.
• Rocket08

  tsst_fballfan;564199 wrote:Just make the privates figures match their geographical area. On another thread an Ursuline fan said they get kids from a 20 mile radius. Make their divisional position match the population from that 20 mile radius. I am guessing in Youngstown that easily makes them D1. But a rural private school would not move to D1 because the geographical population they draw from would be far less in most cases.

  
  You can type this idea every day until your cows come home
  
  It will never happen
  
  Dead on arrival
  
  Move on
• Rocket08

  The bottom line is, that in reality, in spite of all of the crying and whining, the system is working, and in fact Ohio probably has the best playoff system in the country.
  
  Every year this topic comes up, and is reinvigorated when some smaller public schools lose a tough game and they have to blame someone. Sometimes you actually have to play the cards your dealt, that's life
  
  A separate playoff will NEVER happen. You can stop your wishful thinking. They do that in New York state, and there's no such thing as a strong public school program. If you think there's recruiting now, you couldn't even imagine what would happen if the Privates bolted and didn't have to worry about OHSAA rules.
  
  The geographical thing, while sounding plausible to some, is ridiculous and unenforceable
  
  There may, or may not be, a multiplier one day. There are some issue however, and that's probably why it hasn't been implemented yet. There is a very large number of Private schools who basically aren't any good. For every Mooney or Ursuline there's a Gilmore Academy or St Thomas who don't sniff the playoffs. How do you give them a multiplier?
  
  And the Open Enrollment schools pose another problem. You can't very well put a multiplier on the Privates and treat the big open enrollment schools differently. Plus, a multiplier doesn't affect Ignatius, St Ed's, X etc. So what good does that do? You're basically putting in a multiplier to affect Mooney, Ursuline Alter and Lake Catholic. And honestly, it won't affect them much. Tell me the difference if Mooney was in II, Alter III and Ursuline in IV? I mean really
  
  Bottom line, talk all you want, kick the dead horse all freakin' winter if you want, but no one has a solution that will be equitable, and until someone does, you're just blowing off steam
  
  Enjoy your time off
• ArrowGrad02

  

  Keep them together!! That way when we do beat a private school, we can hear all their whining!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GO ASHLAND!!!!
• tsst_fballfan

  

  Con_Alma;564267 wrote:What does that mean? How do you define a private's geographical area? Would you base it on the residence of the farthest student?
  
  If you take such a route wouldn't you be counting students that attend another school...maybe a public school?

  Yes the radius distance to the farthest student enrolled at the private.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  sherm03;564261 wrote:That's all well and good. But then the open-enrollment schools need to be held to the same standards.

  Sure as soon as 100% of their enrollment is open and privates cannot decline any enrollment. Sounds fair!
• tsst_fballfan

  

  Rocket08;564365 wrote:You can type this idea every day until your cows come home
  
  It will never happen
  
  Dead on arrival
  
  Move on

  Well maybe it would be better to let the school determine their geographical area. Then they can ONLY enroll students from that area.
• holdingout

  tsst_fballfan;564419 wrote:Well maybe it would be better to let the school determine their geographical area. Then they can ONLY enroll students from that area.

  
  Better yet, when it comes to open enrollment, just because a student/athlete asks to be released from a particular school, that school's administration doesn't have to release the kid. Maybe these schools letting these kids go need to grow a set and hold their ground.