Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• dover2092

  

  sherm03;565106 wrote:You done whining yet?

  lol...By the way, have you ever heard of Warthers?
• sherm03

  

  I did not.
  
  However a quick Google search helped me understand.
  
  The problem with your analogy, though, is that an open enrollment public school would have the same access to the weapons that the parochial had. But nobody ever complains about them.
• dover2092

  

  That is a valid point in a metropolitan area such as Cincinnati, but not in the rural areas of Ohio, which is what I was referring to.
  
  If Dover wins the state tournament, I will send you a set of Warthers knives.
• Thinthickbigred

  password;565007 wrote:Would the catholic schools be able to file discrimination charges against OHSAA if they are forced out of the playoffs that have been around for years and made to play only catholic schools in the playoffs?
  What will be next,Teams with more than 50% black kids can only play teams made up of 50% or more black players and then we could have a white team playoff and a black team playoff and at the end of the playoffs we could have the Black and White Bowl Championship Game.
  
  Keep things the way they are and life goes on as it always has.

  
  If the Catholic schools change to what they really are......" Baptist schools" ..atleast in the Youngstown area ...LOL..then no problem ...
• sherm03

  

  Thinthickbigred;565130 wrote:If the Catholic schools change to what they really are......" Baptist schools" ..atleast in the Youngstown area ...LOL..then no problem ...

  
  I don't even get what you are implying there. That makes no sense whatsoever.
  
  Care to explain?
• Thinthickbigred

  sherm03;565132 wrote:I don't even get what you are implying there. That makes no sense whatsoever.
  
  Care to explain?

  Look at Ursulin FB team they are almost all black ..the band is white and the student section is white .... You think those kids are catholic? yeah maybe a few .....password started the discrimination BS in his comment I quoted .... Its just crazy .... Ursulin and Mooney are all star teams they aint catholic schools ..Not on the football field ...
• Gardens35

  sherm03;565132 wrote:I don't even get what you are implying there. That makes no sense whatsoever.
  
  Care to explain?

  
  The next post might be an interesting read.
• sherm03

  

  Thinthickbigred;565136 wrote:Look at Ursulin FB team they are almost all black ..the band is white and the student section is white .... You think those kids are catholic? yeah maybe a few .....password started the discrimination BS in his comment I quoted .... Its just crazy .... Ursulin and Mooney are all star teams they aint catholic schools ..Not on the football field ...

  
  Wow!
  
  I thought that is what you were implying. But I was praying you weren't that ignorant. I was wrong.
  
  So now, you're not only a whiner...but you're ALSO pretty racist.
  
  Steubenville people...you seriously wanna claim this guy as one of your own?!
  
  Side note, I was beginning to think I was on your ignore list. But now I can see that I'm not. So why are you completely avoiding the bet I offered on the Dover thread?
• Thinthickbigred

  sherm03;565138 wrote:Wow!
  
  I thought that is what you were implying. But I was praying you weren't that ignorant. I was wrong.
  
  So now, you're not only a whiner...but you're ALSO pretty racist.
  
  Steubenville people...you seriously wanna claim this guy as one of your own?!
  
  Side note, I was beginning to think I was on your ignore list. But now I can see that I'm not. So why are you completely avoiding the bet I offered on the Dover thread?

  
  Your an idiot ...LOL... Atleast I tell the truth ... I know you were trying to get me to say that so I did ..How in the hell is that a racist comment ...
• Thinthickbigred

  I cant stand politically correct people that live in the suburbs and judge everybody else ..sissy fied crap
• sherm03

  

  Thinthickbigred;565140 wrote:I cant stand politically correct people that live in the suburbs and judge everybody else ..sissy fied crap

  
  I can't stand hillbilly racists who put entire groups of people into one classification and bitch and moan about how unfair the high school football playoff system is...
  
  So is that what this whole thing boils down to for you? You're just think that "them there Darkies ain't playin' by the rules" and should be put in their own playoffs?
• Thinthickbigred

  sherm03;565142 wrote:I can't stand hillbilly racists who put entire groups of people into one classification and bitch and moan about how unfair the high school football playoff system is...
  
  So is that what this whole thing boils down to for you? You're just think that "them there Darkies ain't playin' by the rules" and should be put in their own playoffs?

  
  Your a fool.... How come when race is brought up it automatically is racist... Why cant people openly talk about what they think ...I in no way degregated a race .......You dont know me from jack dude ...... You use the word darkies ..that is you dont put words in my mouth ...... I am mearly pointing out the recruiting machine that is Ursulin ........Sissy is a word for you maybe coward .... Dont get self rightious on me ..I am as far away from a hillbilly as you can get .......... You should see my friends you fool ......
• sherm03

  

  Thinthickbigred;565147 wrote:Your a fool.... How come when race is brought up it automatically is racist... Why cant people openly talk about what they think ...I in no way degregated a race .......You dont know me from jack dude ...... You use the word darkies ..that is you dont put words in my mouth ...... I am mearly pointing out the recruiting machine that is Ursulin ........Sissy is a word for you maybe coward .... Dont get self rightious on me ..I am as far away from a hillbilly as you can get .......... You should see my friends you fool ......

  What do they say about people that protest too much?
• Thinthickbigred

  I like to debate .... In reality I really dont care if they change the frigging way it is or not .... I think it goes a long way to be more open in your thoughts when discussing things ..Why not ..It gives us a better understanding of each other ...You feeling me now maybe
• bases_loaded

  

  Its hilarious watching Massillon and Steubenville fans complain about recruiting.
• fish82

  

  coyotes22;564643 wrote:I dont agree with the separate playoff thing either.
  
  I also didnt agree with dropping Private schools from our schedule either.
  
  I will say this, i think that the only thing that needs done, is Division one needs realigned. It is the ONLY Division that has schools on the lower end, with 525 boys, up to over 1000 boys. There is NO OTHER Division with that big of a swing. Im not complaining about anything, just saying its harder come playoff time, to complete with a school that dresses 100 more boys than you. It makes a difference in the depth chart. I say that to say this, Massillon still competes to their best in Division One, and that is all I can ask of the 16, 17, and 18 year old kids that play, for us fans.
  
  And as someone else said, making separate playoffs, hurts the KIDS, because some ADULTS, cry its unfair. Some times you just have to give more than 100% to beat some teams, not saying these kids dont!!!! But, life aint always fair either. We cant just change things, because it might not SEEM fair. That is not what football is suppose to teach about life lessons.
  
  Now, all the public school people can rip me a new one, I dont care,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, it all JMHO.

  The enrollment disparity in D1 isn't as much of an issue as it's made out to be. Three of the 10 biggest schools (all over 1000 boys) have played for a title this decade. The remaining 7 won't even sniff the title game in our lifetime. Only 5 of the top 30 biggest schools have even won a regional title in the past several years.
  
  What you're really talking about is creating a separate division for X and Iggy...the only two "super bigs" that have been consistent contenders for the past 10 years.
• Al Bundy

  bases_loaded;565173 wrote:Its hilarious watching Massillon and Steubenville fans complain about recruiting.

  I agree. Both Massillon and Steubenville have brought in kids from other states, and they complain that other schools draw from a larger geographic region?
• oh yeah!!

  i have witnessed the ursuline boys upclose first hand and i would just like to say they are extremly talented, but i sure hope they went to confession for some of the comments and things why were saying during pregame..... ursuline is a great team one that has no business being in d5 but there is ntohing you can do so it is what it is.....best of luck to the remaining teams in the playoffs
• skank

  

  Al Bundy;565205 wrote:I agree. Both Massillon and Steubenville have brought in kids from other states, and they complain that other schools draw from a larger geographic region?

  
  "Brought in"? Nice.
  
  I'd love to see a list of just who recieved athle....er, I mean "academic scholarships" at the parochials.
• sherm03

  

  skank;565308 wrote:"Brought in"? Nice.
  
  I'd love to see a list of just who recieved athle....er, I mean "academic scholarships" at the parochials.

  I received an academic scholarship. And I didn't play a down of football at Mooney.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  sherm03;565118 wrote:...
  The problem with your analogy, though, is that an open enrollment public school would have the same access to the weapons that the parochial had. But nobody ever complains about them.

  The quandary with your faulty apples to oranges comparison that very very very very few if any rural D5 public schools get any open enrollment students. For example Smithville has open enrollment but there is noway in hell a Dalton Bulldog or a Waynedale Bear or a Norwayne Bobcat would open enroll to Smithville or vice versa. Then there is the population factor. A rural D5 school, even including bordering districts which they won't get kids from anyway, may have a population pool of 6,000 people. Smithville's population is actually about 1250. Ursuline draws from a pool of what a quarter million? On top of that if a handicap kid with straight D- grades and on welfare shows up at Norwayne they can't be turned away. Even though it would benefit Norwayne not to have that student both academically and athletically. Plus open enrollment in Ohio is only for kids that live in a district that physically adjoins the district they reside in. Saw a SVSM student sign in Marshallville (about 30 miles and half a dozen districts away).
  
  For the record I voted not to separate the playoffs. I only debate that they should be played by the same guidelines. Using district guidelines, open enrollment guidelines, attendance guidelines (nobody can be turned away), etc.
  
  Do you really believe parents want to send their kids to a school in Youngstown that has to use metal detectors and law enforcement at the doors rather than send them to Ursuline? They do it because they can't get into Ursuline! Whether it's a financial restriction or an academic restriction. If Ursuline were truly open to all, no matter their financial or academic status, their enrollment would explode to the size of most large city schools.
  
  Nice feeble attempt at a strawman argument with pro sports. It has nothing to do with which team is more talented. It has only to do with the guidelines set forth to control how that talent is acquired. If New England and Pittsburgh used different guidelines that gave them a distinct advantage at acquiring talent and Buffalo was only getting talent from Buffalo then you would have case. Nice try though.
• holdingout

  sherm03;565138 wrote:Wow!
  
  I thought that is what you were implying. But I was praying you weren't that ignorant. I was wrong.
  
  So now, you're not only a whiner...but you're ALSO pretty racist.
  
  Steubenville people...you seriously wanna claim this guy as one of your own?!
  
  Side note, I was beginning to think I was on your ignore list. But now I can see that I'm not. So why are you completely avoiding the bet I offered on the Dover thread?

  
  Don't pay attention this this guy. He doesn't even go to the Big Red games.
• Thinthickbigred

  Right we bring in ....... We only get complaints from people that we have beaten more times so obviosly we recruit ...that is a outright falsehood.....It just is . i live in Toronto and they got a running back that quit Big Red a few years ago and youd have thought they won the friggin lottery...I aint alking about a kid here or their comming into a program I am talking about many many everyyear ..... and by a completely different means .... All you public school guys that rip us ...You are only weakening your own stance..."cut your own nose to spite your face"
• fish82

  

  skank;565308 wrote:"Brought in"? Nice.
  
  I'd love to see a list of just who recieved athle....er, I mean "academic scholarships" at the parochials.

  
  No, you wouldn't. I doubt you'd like the result.
• Thinthickbigred

  bases_loaded;565173 wrote:Its hilarious watching Massillon and Steubenville fans complain about recruiting.

  
  You remind me of a 12 year old kid that owns the ball and all the neighborhood kids are playing a game with it ...