Week 3: Raiders @ Browns
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Commander of Awesome
So we win 8+ games with McClown, then what?SportsAndLady;1752665 wrote:They're trying to figure out if McCown can lead them to 8+ wins. That probably won't happen but they're trying.
I personally would go with manziel but I can at least see what they're thinking. They need to win 8 games or they're toast.
Also, I don't buy the have to win X games or Petite is gone (Baed on Haslam's comments). I think Farmer and his horrible drafting/FA signings should be feeling the hot seat -
like_that
Yeah, I get that. I am just saying it is shortsighted. So, what if he does get us 7 to 9 wins and we don't make the playoffs? Where do we go from there heading into the next season? We are still in a situation where we decide whether to draft a QB or not, and McClown is heading into next season staring down 37 years of age.SportsAndLady;1752665 wrote:They're trying to figure out if McCown can lead them to 8+ wins. That probably won't happen but they're trying.
I personally would go with manziel but I can at least see what they're thinking. They need to win 8 games or they're toast. -
Commander of Awesome
Bottom line, McClown is older than Brees, and pundits are saying Brees is done. Brees on his worst day is 1000000000000x better than McClown, and Peyton is getting killed for not having an heir to Brees. Tell McClown to take a ride on the pine.
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like_that
To follow up on my post, it really is a playoffs or bust move imo and McClown aint a guy you want to go all in on.
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SportsAndLady
Then we move on to next year? I don't understand your question.Commander of Awesome;1752669 wrote:So we win 8+ games with McClown, then what?
Also, I don't buy the have to win X games or Petite is gone (Baed on Haslam's comments). I think Farmer and his horrible drafting/FA signings should be feeling the hot seat -
Mulva
It usually doesn't take long after a GM gets fired for the coach to be gone, too.Commander of Awesome;1752669 wrote:So we win 8+ games with McClown, then what?
Also, I don't buy the have to win X games or Petite is gone (Baed on Haslam's comments). I think Farmer and his horrible drafting/FA signings should be feeling the hot seat -
SportsAndLady
I don't see it that way. With McCown we are going to win 7-9 games. With manziel we are going to win either 3 games or 11. Pettine probably can't afford the 3 win season, so he's going with the 7-9 wins to help save his job.like_that;1752672 wrote:To follow up on my post, it really is a playoffs or bust move imo and McClown aint a guy you want to go all in on.
Don't like it as a fan but Pettine knows what he's doing. -
Commander of Awesome
We roll McClown out at 37 next yr, with no idea if JFF is worth a shit? Horrible game plan IMO.SportsAndLady;1752674 wrote:Then we move on to next year? I don't understand your question. -
Commander of Awesome
Great point.Mulva;1752675 wrote:It usually doesn't take long after a GM gets fired for the coach to be gone, too. -
SportsAndLady
Ahh. Yes that's not a good idea. But who knows maybe Pettine will go with McCown this year to save his job then fully transition to JFF in the offseason.Commander of Awesome;1752677 wrote:We roll McClown out at 37 next yr, with no idea if JFF is worth a shit? Horrible game plan IMO. -
Commander of Awesome
Yeah I guess, just seems to stunt his growth IMO which I don't like. I also think it will blow up in his face when McClown starts throwing INTs every 10 drop backs.SportsAndLady;1752679 wrote:Ahh. Yes that's not a good idea. But who knows maybe Pettine will go with McCown this year to save his job then fully transition to JFF in the offseason. -
like_that
I am just waiting for jason la confora to write some juicy gossip article about this situation that is 100% false.
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SportsAndLady
I don't think Pettine will stick with McCown if he's throwing ints, unless we are winning despite of the Int's.Commander of Awesome;1752680 wrote:Yeah I guess, just seems to stunt his growth IMO which I don't like. I also think it will blow up in his face when McClown starts throwing INTs every 10 drop backs.
Pettine really isn't a dumb coach, like we've seen recently. He'll pull McCown if he's fucking up. -
Commander of Awesome
http://football.realgm.com/wiretap/35442/Cowboys-Were-Calling-Out-Eagles-Plays-Before-Snap
LMAO where have I heard about this before?
OH YEAH!
When Patty fuck head was our HC/OC! -
Footwedge
doubt it. I watched the Brian Horror show for 4 straight games before Pettne benched him. Pettine should be fired for thisdecision. The team finally has their franchise quarterback...and he will be carrying a clipboard and wearing a ball cap.Uz2Bon36;1752622 wrote:McCown will be on a very short leash. Maybe a stupid INT with a few incomplete passes, he's benched. -
KnightRyder
Tennessee was a 2-14 team last season , beating them is nothing to boast about. the defense and specials teams put 14 points an the board. that aint gonna happen every week. Furthermore if the Browns didnt recover Manziel's 2 fumbles we would be having a different conversation. -
BR1986FB
Who's boasting about it. I think most fans are happy to get the win.KnightRyder;1752729 wrote:Tennessee was a 2-14 team last season , beating them is nothing to boast about. the defense and specials teams put 14 points an the board. that aint gonna happen every week. Furthermore if the Browns didnt recover Manziel's 2 fumbles we would be having a different conversation.
On the flip side of the "Pettine starting McCown to potentially save his job", if he started JFF and they went 3-13, could he possibly avoid being fired by citing how bad Manziel was? Doubtful in this "win now" league but possible? -
KnightRyder
They go 3-13 i dont care who is the qb Pettine is done. the win over Tennessee made people forget how horrible Manziel was against the jets.BR1986FB;1752730 wrote:Who's boasting about it. I think most fans are happy to get the win.
On the flip side of the "Pettine starting McCown to potentially save his job", if he started JFF and they went 3-13, could he possibly avoid being fired by citing how bad Manziel was? Doubtful in this "win now" league but possible? -
like_that
What people?KnightRyder;1752732 wrote:They go 3-13 i dont care who is the qb Pettine is done. the win over Tennessee made people forget how horrible Manziel was against the jets. -
BR1986FB
I think that's what they call "progression/improvement." He had nowhere to go but up. Did he look like Peyton Manning in his prime? No, but he looked a helluva lot better than what we've seen.KnightRyder;1752732 wrote:the win over Tennessee made people forget how horrible Manziel was against the jets.
Pettine even said today that part of the reason for his decision to stick with McCown was that he polled two of his main coaches and everyone agreed to put McCown back in. Pettine said something to the effect of "we were pleased with Johnny's performance but we feel that Josh gives us the best chance to win (debatable, imo). We have a 'plan' for Johnny and we're sticking with it." (not verbatim) -
HitsRus
Andrew Luck was horrible against the Jets...only 7 points. At least JFF got 10.KnightRyder;1752732 wrote:They go 3-13 i dont care who is the qb Pettine is done. the win over Tennessee made people forget how horrible Manziel was against the jets.
... And I'll bet you'll take Luck in a heartbeat. -
Crimson streak
Exactly. This is like s rookie season for johnny. Mccown is actually helping Johnny understand the mental aspect of the game something hoyer wouldn't do. They have a plan for Johnny and its for him to sit and learn the whole playbook and understand the right reads and such. Johnny isn't there yet he's still progressing. There is no doubt they are planning to get as many wins as possible with mccown and then go into next season with the hope Johnny has progressed and learn the in and outs to be the full time starter. Manziel is still only 22 years old it's not going to hurt to sit him a year and be mentored by a qb that knows the ins and outs of pretty much every system in the NFL.BR1986FB;1752739 wrote:I think that's what they call "progression/improvement." He had nowhere to go but up. Did he look like Peyton Manning in his prime? No, but he looked a helluva lot better than what we've seen.
Pettine even said today that part of the reason for his decision to stick with McCown was that he polled two of his main coaches and everyone agreed to put McCown back in. Pettine said something to the effect of "we were pleased with Johnny's performance but we feel that Josh gives us the best chance to win (debatable, imo). We have a 'plan' for Johnny and we're sticking with it." (not verbatim)
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lhslep134
BR1986FB;1752739 wrote:I think that's what they call "progression/improvement." He had nowhere to go but up. Did he look like Peyton Manning in his prime? No, but he looked a helluva lot better than what we've seen.
Pettine even said today that part of the reason for his decision to stick with McCown was that he polled two of his main coaches and everyone agreed to put McCown back in. Pettine said something to the effect of "we were pleased with Johnny's performance but we feel that Josh gives us the best chance to win (debatable, imo). We have a 'plan' for Johnny and we're sticking with it." (not verbatim)Crimson streak;1752748 wrote:Exactly. This is like s rookie season for johnny. Mccown is actually helping Johnny understand the mental aspect of the game something hoyer wouldn't do. They have a plan for Johnny and its for him to sit and learn the whole playbook and understand the right reads and such. Johnny isn't there yet he's still progressing. There is no doubt they are planning to get as many wins as possible with mccown and then go into next season with the hope Johnny has progressed and learn the in and outs to be the full time starter. Manziel is still only 22 years old it's not going to hurt to sit him a year and be mentored by a qb that knows the ins and outs of pretty much every system in the NFL.
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I agree with what you guys are saying. I don't think McCown starting because he gives us the best chance to win now (assuming he plays like he did the first drive against NYJ) and Johnny being the future QB as early as next season are mutually exclusive. -
HitsRus
Vikes committed to Bridgewater, Raiders to Carr... Now those guys have a year under their belt... Bucs are starting Winston... Titans starting Mariota.
You draft a QB in the first round, you better play the guy unless you have an established QB and are contending for a deep playoff run. But the Browns know better than everyone else....that's why we have a QB and coaching carrousel,squander draft picks year after year, and made the playoffs once in 15 years of futility.
we are going to start the QB who gives us the best chance to win THIS WEEK...not necessarily what's good for the future....and nothing ever changes. -
BR1986FB
I have no idea whether JFF will or won't make it but from a lot of accounts I've heard (and I'm sure others have probably heard) last year he was a deer in headlights who seemed to think the NFL would be a snap and everything would come to him. He didn't put in the work and put himself behind the 8 Ball (no pun intended).HitsRus;1752754 wrote:Vikes committed to Bridgewater, Raiders to Carr... Now those guys have a year under their belt... Bucs are starting Winston... Titans starting Mariota.
You draft a QB in the first round, you better play the guy unless you have an established QB and are contending for a deep playoff run. But the Browns know better than everyone else....that's why we have a QB and coaching carrousel,squander draft picks year after year, and made the playoffs once in 15 years of futility.
we are going to start the QB who gives us the best chance to win THIS WEEK...not necessarily what's good for the future....and nothing ever changes.
If these coaches think he doesn't "get it" or feel that he eventually will "have it", I can wait until later in the season. I think we all know that McCown usually doesn't make it through a season in one piece. JFF will get his chance.
Also take into account they are coming off an 7-9 season. Just speculation but I'd imagine Haslam & Co might be a little pissed if Pettine said "hey Jimmy, I'm starting Manziel this year and we'll likely only win 2 or 3 games." Can't speak for Haslam but I don't take him as a patient man and I'd bet he'd expect progress instead of a major step back.
With that being said, like 90%+, I'd prefer they just throw JFF in there.