Week 3: Raiders @ Browns

• Tiernan

  Commander of Awesome;1752478 wrote:JFF actually has huge hands. This biggest among QBs that yr int he draft.

  Optical illusion...they just look huge attached to his tiny pipe cleaner arms.
• Footwedge

  Rumor is that McCown will start Sunday.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1752512 wrote:I think the 2nd half offense was stagnant by design tbh. I don't think pettine wanted to take any chance to give the Titans a chance to get back in the game with any turnovers. The defense was playing great and Andy Lee is a pretty damn good punter. It was a very conservative game in the 2nd half.
  
  Edit: Very conservative other than the TD pass to Benjamin.

  The offense is still a concern. We're not going to get 50+ td bombs every week. Starts with the oline, Alex Mack is playing like shit.
• ts1227

  

  McCown cleared and starting
  
  http://m.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-QB-Josh-McCown-cleared-to-return-set-to-start-vs-Raiders/3482b7da-4059-4d65-bbd6-d8061180e40a
• like_that

  

  I like Pettine, but this is the first day I am going to call him a dumbass. How is it clear to us that starting a 36 year old journeyman QB is not going to help the franchise in the long run, but it isn't clear to him? Fucking dumb.
• slingshot4ever

  Yeah, I do not get this one....
• DeyDurkie5

  

  FUCK
• Commander of Awesome

  

  DeyDurkie5;1752598 wrote:FUCK

  This. Another head scratcher by petite. Tired of him playing penis flickers with the start/inactive list.
• SportsAndLady

  

  McCown didn't look bad against the Jets, he was at least moving the ball for a quarter.
  
  I'd rather manziel start since he's young and I want to see what he is. But pettine needs 8 wins this year or he's gone and probably doesn't want to risk manziel blowing and being 3-13 (even though this would probably be best for the fans).
  
  Manziel looked horrible against the jets and was just 8/15 and fumbled twice against the Titans.
  
  I'll give McCown a game and see what he can do before I call for pettine's head and manziel starting.
• Uz2Bon36

  

  McCown will be on a very short leash. Maybe a stupid INT with a few incomplete passes, he's benched.
• Azubuike24

  

  Thing is, Browns will be underdogs in every game until week 12 or 14. Say you beat Oakland with McCown being average...it creates a fool's gold scenario going into much tougher games.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1752620 wrote:McCown didn't look bad against the Jets, he was at least moving the ball for a quarter.
  
  I'd rather manziel start since he's young and I want to see what he is. But pettine needs 8 wins this year or he's gone and probably doesn't want to risk manziel blowing and being 3-13 (even though this would probably be best for the fans).
  
  Manziel looked horrible against the jets and was just 8/15 and fumbled twice against the Titans.
  
  I'll give McCown a game and see what he can do before I call for pettine's head and manziel starting.

  Except McFailwn has proven nothing in his career but ineptitude. He's a bum, been a bum, gonna be a bum. I'm sick of the "well petite seems him in practice/knows more" arguments. Bottom line, he has some head scratching personnel decisions and this one I'm fairly confident will bite him in the ass. Maybe not against the raiders (they're not a great team either) but it def will down the line.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Commander of Awesome;1752628 wrote:Except McFailwn has proven nothing in his career but ineptitude. He's a bum, been a bum, gonna be a bum. I'm sick of the "well petite seems him in practice/knows more" arguments. Bottom line, he has some head scratching personnel decisions and this one I'm fairly confident will bite him in the ass. Maybe not against the raiders (they're not a great team either) but it def will down the line.

  Time will tell.
• iclfan2

  

  like_that;1752591 wrote:How is it clear to us that starting a 36 year old journeyman QB is not going to help the franchise in the long run, but it isn't clear to him? Fucking dumb.

  There is a disconnect between Pettine (win now) vs. FO (build a franchise).With the way we go through coaches, he probably thinks he HAS to win now to save his job.
  
  I wanted Manziel.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1752635 wrote:Time will tell.

  Already has on McCown.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Commander of Awesome;1752643 wrote:Already has on McCown.

  Drove right down the field against the tough jets D. I'm willing to give him a game against the raiders before I fully write him off.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1752645 wrote:Drove right down the field against the tough jets D. I'm willing to give him a game against the raiders before I fully write him off.

  Drove right down the field to a soul crushing TO.
  
  He's an aging vet with diminishing skills (if he ever had any), with a high propensity to turn the ball over. He confirmed 2 weeks ago what he's done his other 13 seasons in the league.
  
  JFF orchestrated 3 TD drives. He is young. This team isn't making the playoffs. We have to know what he can do, and if he can be the guy before moving forward as a franchise.
  
  What about this is hard S&L? You want to be a team guy, I get it. Nobody likes a QQ machine (Iqqy, FW, BR) but call the kettle black man.
• MontyBrunswick

  

  mccown is going to lead the browns to a victory this week. mark my words........
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1752647 wrote:
  Nobody likes a QQ machine (Iqqy, FW, BR)

  Which is EXACTLY what you're doing about McCown so STFU, Rainbow Brite. At least S&L is trying to show SOME positivity about McCown, even if he does suck.
• Mulva

  

  I still naively think we'll get a W, but losing with McCown looking terrible and having everyone turn on Pettine seems like more of a Browns scenario.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1752652 wrote:Which is EXACTLY what you're doing about McCown so STFU, Rainbow Brite. At least S&L is trying to show SOME positivity about McCown, even if he does suck.

  Obvious hypocrisy is obvious.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Commander of Awesome;1752647 wrote:Drove right down the field to a soul crushing TO.
  
  He's an aging vet with diminishing skills (if he ever had any), with a high propensity to turn the ball over. He confirmed 2 weeks ago what he's done his other 13 seasons in the league.
  
  JFF orchestrated 3 TD drives. He is young. This team isn't making the playoffs. We have to know what he can do, and if he can be the guy before moving forward as a franchise.
  
  What about this is hard S&L? You want to be a team guy, I get it. Nobody likes a QQ machine (Iqqy, FW, BR) but call the kettle black man.

  Dude what the fuck are you talking about lol
  
  I'm not a McCown buttmuncher, I was the one that gave him the nickname McClown.
  
  I'm just saying he looked fine in his one quarter and lets just see what he can do. YES I KNOW HE WAS GARBAGE FOR 13 YEARS YOU DONT HAVE TO TELL ME AGAIN.
• like_that

  

  I just don't see the point in starting him, if you actually want to help the franchise out. It is such a shortsighted decision imo. How are you going to see what JFF has and how do you expect him to improve if he keeps holding a clipboard for a shitty QB? He needs more snaps to get a feel for the game. How does a mediocre 36 year old journeyman QB improve the chances of this franchise finally figuring out the most elusive position?
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1752662 wrote:I just don't see the point in starting him, if you actually want to help the franchise out. It is such a shortsighted decision imo. How are you going to see what JFF has and how do you expect him to improve if he keeps holding a clipboard for a shitty QB? He needs more snaps to get a feel for the game. How does a mediocre 36 year old journeyman QB improve the chances of this franchise finally figuring out the most elusive position?

  What don't you get here and why does this come as a surprise? Pettine is about as conservative as you're going to find in a coach. When Hoyer was pissing down his leg last year and people were screaming for Manziel, he stuck by the veteran until he almost absolutely had no excuse not to play Manziel. He said that McCown was his starter and they planned to bring along JFF "slowly." He's not waivering on that.
  
  I've said this before that, in a perfect world, JFF is your starter so you can evaluate him and see if he has something going forward. I don't think Pettine's in the "evaluating" business. I think he's in the "get as many wins as you can now for job security" business, knowing Haslam's hair trigger history.
  
  Yeah, you, me and just about EVERY other Browns fan thinks it would be smart to play JFF to evaluate him for the "long term" but Pettine is probably much more concerned about the here and now. Regardless of what Haslam says and how easy last years schedule was, if they go from 7-9 to 3-13 with Manziel, his head is probably going to roll.
• SportsAndLady

  

  like_that;1752662 wrote:I just don't see the point in starting him, if you actually want to help the franchise out. It is such a shortsighted decision imo. How are you going to see what JFF has and how do you expect him to improve if he keeps holding a clipboard for a shitty QB? He needs more snaps to get a feel for the game. How does a mediocre 36 year old journeyman QB improve the chances of this franchise finally figuring out the most elusive position?

  They're trying to figure out if McCown can lead them to 8+ wins. That probably won't happen but they're trying.
  
  I personally would go with manziel but I can at least see what they're thinking. They need to win 8 games or they're toast.