2015 Browns Offseason Thread

• SportsAndLady

  

  Yeah the whole "I rarely post on here anymore" is getting old BR. I think you bring a lot to these threads (when you aren't doom and gloom, which you usually aren't) but every year or so you pretend like you are too cool for the OC school and say you don't or won't post here anymore. Then a few months later you are back. Remember the "bet" you lost and you said you'd be gone forever? Come on enough with that shit. These threads have good convo on them, and we finally are troll-less thanks to some moderating, and you are gonna join the trolls on the other thread. SMH
• lhslep134

  

  thavoice;1701432 wrote: Yeah, this alcohol thing and the barely over the threshold sucks, but he put himself in that position and by his actions totally fucked the whole offense.

  That's completely different than saying "he's a pothead WR who cares more about hitting the bong than his career".
  
  One is a rational, fair take on the situation. The other is a doom and gloom narrative stretching.
  
  As you can see, I'm not defending Gordon. I'm going on the offensive about those making the situation something it's not. It's Josh Gordon f'ing up, not Josh Gordon being a pothead.
• SportsAndLady

  

  thavoice;1701432 wrote:So you are defending a guy, the best offensive weapon you have and one of the best in the league even though he screwed over that team once again? Fact is...he got busted. Cost the offense basically a whole season. Got busted again, maybe out next year.
  Yeah, this alcohol thing and the barely over the threshold sucks, but he put himself in that position and by his actions totally fucked the whole offense.

  Not that you would know anything about the Browns and their offense, because, you know, you are a steelers fan, but the Browns offense isn't "completely fucked" without gordon. They actually did better without him than with him.
  
  And we already know your bullshit, outdated views on weed from your idiotic posts on other OC threads. We don't care for you to spew your nonsense about josh gordon and his "problem" with weed. So STFU
• thavoice

  lhslep134;1701435 wrote:That's completely different than saying "he's a pothead WR who cares more about hitting the bong than his career".
  
  One is a rational, fair take on the situation. The other is a doom and gloom narrative stretching.

  Both are kind of right though. Gordon, by his actions, has shown to be very selfish, stupid and idiotic.
  BR obviously overstated it but I would be pissed too at a player on my team who has fucked off the offense for a number of years.
  
  ....then it comes back to the front office not doing something in the draft last year knowing he was suspended for the year.
• lhslep134

  

  I actually believe what Gordon said regarding this latest instance. It was up to both Gordon and any Browns' officials with him to know that his drinking ban ended after the league year not the Browns' year. Both of them let Gordon down, not just Josh. The Browns' should have known, and the guy lost his job accordingly.
• thavoice

  SportsAndLady;1701436 wrote:Not that you would know anything about the Browns and their offense, because, you know, you are a steelers fan, but the Browns offense isn't "completely fucked" without gordon. They actually did better without him than with him.
  
  And we already know your bullshit, outdated views on weed from your idiotic posts on other OC threads. We don't care for you to spew your nonsense about josh gordon and his "problem" with weed. So STFU

  Better this year than last on offense?
  
  
  
  The browns offense in 2013 scored more per game, passed for more yards, and gained more total yards/game than they did in 2014, and in 2013 it was a season where 3 diff qb's all attempted at least 96 passes.
• thavoice

  lhslep134;1701444 wrote:I actually believe what Gordon said regarding this latest instance. It was up to both Gordon and any Browns' officials with him to know that his drinking ban ended after the league year not the Browns' year. Both of them let Gordon down, not just Josh. The Browns' should have known, and the guy lost his job accordingly.

  I agree that the alcohol thing was BS. I am not 100% convinced that he thought it ended with the browns season but it doesnt really matter. He got caught up in a technicality, kind of like when he did when he barely tested over and said it was from second hand. Many times it is a small thing that totally screws a person over and the reason it does is because of the big issues from the past. Sucks for the browns, and that offense. His ability is a game changer and I think if going into this season he was with the team the whole year they would have won a couple more games and who knows....maybe even the playoffs.
• se-alum

  

  lhslep134;1701444 wrote:I actually believe what Gordon said regarding this latest instance. It was up to both Gordon and any Browns' officials with him to know that his drinking ban ended after the league year not the Browns' year. Both of them let Gordon down, not just Josh. The Browns' should have known, and the guy lost his job accordingly.

  He's a fucking adult. He shouldn't need the organization to babysit him.
• thavoice

  se-alum;1701455 wrote:He's a fucking adult. He shouldn't need the organization to babysit him.

  Maybe he should do what Josh Hamilton did when he was with the reds. He hired the managers brother I think it was to chaperone him especially on the road, to keep him out of trouble.
• SportsAndLady

  

  se-alum;1701455 wrote:He's a fucking adult. He shouldn't need the organization to babysit him.

  Well he shouldn't be required to do so many damn drug and alcohol tests for fucking weed and booze. The NFL is so stupid about that shit.
  
  If the guy is shooting up before games, okay step in.
  
  But if an NFL player wants to smoke a little weed in Vegas, the NFL should not get involved with that.
• thavoice

  SportsAndLady;1701459 wrote:Well he shouldn't be required to do so many damn drug and alcohol tests for fucking weed and booze. The NFL is so stupid about that shit.
  
  If the guy is shooting up before games, okay step in.
  
  But if an NFL player wants to smoke a little weed in Vegas, the NFL should not get involved with that.

  Alcohol? Agreed. I get it he had a DUI, but how many people get tested for alcohol usage in their employment?
  Weed? Disagree. Many, many jobs out there require drug tests for employment. I have one for a freaking part time job. He only gets tested so often because he popped hot and was put into a program.
• lhslep134

  

  se-alum;1701455 wrote:He's a fucking adult. He shouldn't need the organization to babysit him.

  Dez needed a babysitter and it really helped him. Just because Gordon brought the situation upon himself doesn't mean that others can't help him out or help him avoid more trouble.
• like_that

  

  I don't think Gordon has a drug problem. I think the only thing he is addicted to is being a dumbass.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Guys lets shut this thread down. There is nothing to talk about with this team. We are all drinking the kool aid. Doom and gloom
• se-alum

  

  SportsAndLady;1701459 wrote:Well he shouldn't be required to do so many damn drug and alcohol tests for fucking weed and booze. The NFL is so stupid about that shit.
  
  If the guy is shooting up before games, okay step in.
  
  But if an NFL player wants to smoke a little weed in Vegas, the NFL should not get involved with that.

  No matter your thoughts on weed and alcohol, fact of the matter is, he makes poor decisions. Even it if were second-hand on the weed test, he should've never put himself in the situation to be close to it knowing the possible consequences. Same with drinking. If you were facing a one-year unpaid ban, wouldn't you ask someone if you're cleared to be able to drink? It's common sense. The dude is a complete idiot.
• Automatik

  

  like_that;1701465 wrote:I don't think Gordon has a drug problem. I think the only thing he is addicted to is being a dumbass.

  This all day.
  
  Did the ESPN idiots really call him out for being an "addict"? I can't tolerate listening to Stephan A. Smith for more than 30 seconds at a time. Much like when Skip went on and on about Manziel being an alcoholic, again...just another dumbass.
• thavoice

  like_that;1701465 wrote:I don't think Gordon has a drug problem. I think the only thing he is addicted to is being a dumbass.

  Well fuck, so does the whole OC, except for you of course.
• lhslep134

  

  like_that;1701465 wrote:I don't think Gordon has a drug problem. I think the only thing he is addicted to is being a dumbass.

  Yup
• lhslep134

  

  se-alum;1701468 wrote:. If you were facing a one-year unpaid ban, wouldn't you ask someone if you're cleared to be able to drink?

  Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that why the WR coach on the flight with him was fired? He either told Gordon wrong and/or didn't know if Gordon was cleared?
• like_that

  

  thavoice;1701471 wrote:Well fuck, so does the whole OC, except for you of course.

  Thanks?
• Pick6

  

  lhslep134;1701463 wrote:Dez needed a babysitter and it really helped him. Just because Gordon brought the situation upon himself doesn't mean that others can't help him out or help him avoid more trouble.

  Dez got the help himself.
  
  
  also its funny that he was with Haden during the last instance and nobody says a peep. Could you imagine if he was with Manziel and failed the test?!
• lhslep134

  

  Pick6;1701612 wrote:Dez got the help himself.
  

  Is it really getting the help yourself if the team is holding a gun to your head telling you to?
• Pick6

  

  lhslep134;1701624 wrote:Is it really getting the help yourself if the team is holding a gun to your head telling you to?

  whatever you want to debate it was, Dez ultimately took the responsibility to save his career and change as a person. Attempting to help doesn't mean anything if the person doesn't want to change. I'm sure the Browns have done all that they can to help Gordon. Why wouldn't they? Gordon is the one who needs to own up and make some changes.
• lhslep134

  

  Pick6;1701628 wrote:whatever you want to debate it was, Dez ultimately took the responsibility to save his career and change as a person.

  It's not a debate. A debate is where there's a disagreement in interpretation. You're just ignoring facts. Dez didn't do it himself, the Cowboys forced it upon him. How you could come to any other conclusion is baffling.
  
  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/26/cowboys-enact-set-of-behavioral-rules-for-dez-bryant/
  
  I do agree with you that it's still entirely up to the person whether they fall in line or not.
• Pick6

  

  lhslep134;1701629 wrote:It's not a debate. A debate is where there's a disagreement in interpretation. You're just ignoring facts. Dez didn't do it himself, the Cowboys forced it upon him. How you could come to any other conclusion is baffling.
  
  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/26/cowboys-enact-set-of-behavioral-rules-for-dez-bryant/
  
  I do agree with you that it's still entirely up to the person whether they fall in line or not.

  The article you posted says that Dez sought ought a mentor on his own. So the Cowboys wanted him to do some things, and Dez did some things on his own. Ok?
  
  Your insistence with getting in arguments over semantics is tiring.