2014-2015 Cleveland Cavaliers Season Thread

• Ironman92

  

  Pick6;1696401 wrote:Being an ass? Hasn't he coached with his health before? If his health is so bad that he can't coach, why would we want him?

  Ass it is
• Pick6

  

  Ironman92;1696406 wrote:Ass it is

  Great talk. Figured if I were being an ass, I'd be implying he isn't coaching because of health reasons, but I wasnt. If you want to use his health as an excuse for the reason he isn't coaxhing, then it further solidifies my point that he isn't the retread you want if you had to pick one.
• Ironman92

  

  Pick6;1696413 wrote:Great talk. Figured if I were being an ass, I'd be implying he isn't coaching because of health reasons, but I wasnt. If you want to use his health as an excuse for the reason he isn't coaxhing, then it further solidifies my point that he isn't the retread you want if you had to pick one.

  Yeah...you started it. I mentioned (along with two other posters) the prospects of George Karl coaching the Cavs, then you come on, call us fanboys and then act as if you have this obvious info of why he's not coaching.
  
  I don't know shit about his health or what he's doing, but I figured since two other usually up to the info posters mentioned him that he must not be in terrible health as he has been numerous times over the past 12 years. Why on earth would anyone want someone that wasn't currently coaching because of his health?
  
  There are few NBA coaches that I think a good deal of....Karl is def one of them, but I'm not savvy of his current health or why he's not coaching.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Ironman92;1696416 wrote:Yeah...you started it. I mentioned (along with two other posters) the prospects of George Karl coaching the Cavs, then you come on, call us fanboys and then act as if you have this obvious info of why he's not coaching.
  
  I don't know shit about his health or what he's doing, but I figured since two other usually up to the info posters mentioned him that he must not be in terrible health as he has been numerous times over the past 12 years. Why on earth would anyone want someone that wasn't currently coaching because of his health?
  
  There are few NBA coaches that I think a good deal of....Karl is def one of them, but I'm not savvy of his current health or why he's not coaching.

  Your first paragraph is pick in a nutshell
  
  He's a pompous ass who has this newfound confidence because he fucking graduated college.
• Pick6

  

  Ironman92;1696416 wrote:Yeah...you started it. I mentioned (along with two other posters) the prospects of George Karl coaching the Cavs, then you come on, call us fanboys and then act as if you have this obvious info of why he's not coaching.
  
  I don't know shit about his health or what he's doing, but I figured since two other usually up to the info posters mentioned him that he must not be in terrible health as he has been numerous times over the past 12 years. Why on earth would anyone want someone that wasn't currently coaching because of his health?
  
  There are few NBA coaches that I think a good deal of....Karl is def one of them, but I'm not savvy of his current health or why he's not coaching.

  I was called a "butthurt little bitch" when I wasn't even involved in the discussion because I am not a fan of retread coaches, but I definitely started it.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1696419 wrote:Your first paragraph is pick in a nutshell
  
  He's a pompous ass who has this newfound confidence because he fucking graduated from a shitty college and working at some tier 5 accounting firm.

  FIFY
• Lovejoy1984

  

  As much as I agree with you guys on Pick....I agree with him on Karl, vastly overrated as a coach. I want no part of him, at all.
• Pick6

  

  Commander of Awesome;1696427 wrote:FIFY

  Attempt to hate on my college and employer all that you want, but I'm not the one who had to move to CA just so I could find a shitty nonprofit job.
• Ironman92

  

  Pick6;1696426 wrote:I was called a "butthurt little bitch" when I wasn't even involved in the discussion because I am not a fan of retread coaches, but I definitely started it.

  So I get included because I shared a coaching opinion with him?
• Pick6

  

  something I could support if it came to it.
  
  http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/adrian-wojnarowski-implies-that-lebron-wants-mark-jackson-to-replace-david-blatt/
• Pick6

  

  Ironman92;1696430 wrote:So I get included because I shared a coaching opinion with him?

  I didn't include you in anything. You assumed I did. You're usually good for decent discussion so I wouldn't go out of my way to call you out.
• Ironman92

  

  HighRoller74;1696428 wrote:As much as I agree with you guys on Pick....I agree with him on Karl, vastly overrated as a coach. I want no part of him, at all.

  In 25 seasons wit these NBA cities (not what you call powerhouses) Cleveland, Golden Stste, Seattle, Milwaukee and Denver.....for those franchises he's made the playoffs in 22 of 25 seasons and has a .600 winning %
  
  That alone should keep him from being "vastly" overrated....unless people think he is the greatest coach of all-time, by a lot.
  
  I get not wanting him....but vastly overrated?
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Vastly overrated may have been a stretch, but overrated nonetheless.
  
  14 out of the 22 times in the playoffs they were one and done. And more often than not, they were the higher seed. He's a great regular season coach, but comes up short when it comes to the playoffs.
  
  And you're right, the cities haven't been large, but he's coached quite a few All Time greats
  
  Payton, Kemp, Anthony, AI, Billups, Ray Allen, Michael Redd....etc. If I was starting a team, or a young team with no real aspirations, definitely would welcome him, but as a team with serious title aspirations, Karl isn't the guy.
• Laley23

  

  Coaches who won a title with 2nd team or later:
  
  Chuck Daly
  Alex Hannum
  Rick Carlisle
  Larry Brown
  Jack Ramsay
  Lenny Wilkins
  Doc Rivers
  
  Im sure I am missing some as well. George Karl would have at a title if not for Micheal Jordan...now he would be coaching his own MJ. I mean, he took Carmelo to 50+ wins FIVE times (not counting a 32-8 stretch when he took over mid-season...that would make SIX fucking times). He led Seattle, who did have real talent in Gary Payton and Sean Kemp, to 50+ wins in ever season he coached there and 60+ THREE times.
  
  There isnt much there to suggest he wouldnt/couldnt win a title with Cleveland. Not wanting him is fine, but Id love to hear you would want instead, and in no way would it be a BAD hire.
• Ironman92

  

  HighRoller74;1696436 wrote:Vastly overrated may have been a stretch, but overrated nonetheless.
  
  14 out of the 22 times in the playoffs they were one and done. And more often than not, they were the higher seed. He's a great regular season coach, but comes up short when it comes to the playoffs.
  
  And you're right, the cities haven't been large, but he's coached quite a few All Time greats
  
  Payton, Kemp, Anthony, AI, Billups, Ray Allen, Michael Redd....etc. If I was starting a team, or a young team with no real aspirations, definitely would welcome him, but as a team with serious title aspirations, Karl isn't the guy.

  Yeah...I get that and also respect the championship need/desire. I'm on that same page but I simply don't feel there are any take this team to win a championship guys out there, but feel Karl could at least bring a little respect and get them playing (if for just the rest of this year)....I just have zero trust in Blatt and feel Karl would be a decisive upgrade (even though not the answer for what we all want)....just looking to get in the right direction for a title run (and win)
  
  They are like watching a guy who was swimming ok but them someone tied a concrete block around him and he's barely still treading....need someone to cut the damn rope
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Laley23;1696438 wrote:Coaches who won a title with 2nd team or later:
  
  Chuck Daly
  Alex Hannum
  Rick Carlisle
  Larry Brown
  Jack Ramsay
  Lenny Wilkins
  Doc Rivers
  
  Im sure I am missing some as well. George Karl would have at a title if not for Micheal Jordan...now he would be coaching his own MJ. I mean, he took Carmelo to 50+ wins FIVE times (not counting a 32-8 stretch when he took over mid-season...that would make SIX fucking times). He led Seattle, who did have real talent in Gary Payton and Sean Kemp, to 50+ wins in ever season he coached there and 60+ THREE times.
  
  There isnt much there to suggest he wouldnt/couldnt win a title with Cleveland. Not wanting him is fine, but Id love to hear you would want instead, and in no way would it be a BAD hire.

  I'd stay with David Blatt. Team has 9 new players, and only been half a season, especially with now having 3 new players picked up in the last 2 weeks, that will be in the post season rotation.
  
  Funny you bring up the Sonics.....He won 63 games, and lost in the first round. Next season he won 57, and you guessed it, lost in the first round. He just doesn't strike me as a championship quality coach. He's a less successful Don Nelson. Great coach, but not a championship level coach, and that's ok, if you're not a team built to win championships.
  
  If a move is made, it needs to be in the offseason, and at that point you'd want to look at a Mark Jackson, Tyron Lue, Ettore Messina, Adrian Griffin type. Someone who's coached in the NBA, either as a head coach, or assistant coach.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Ironman92;1696439 wrote:Yeah...I get that and also respect the championship need/desire. I'm on that same page but I simply don't feel there are any take this team to win a championship guys out there, but feel Karl could at least bring a little respect and get them playing (if for just the rest of this year)....I just have zero trust in Blatt and feel Karl would be a decisive upgrade (even though not the answer for what we all want)....just looking to get in the right direction for a title run (and win)
  
  They are like watching a guy who was swimming ok but them someone tied a concrete block around him and he's barely still treading....need someone to cut the damn rope

  I would agree with this, just don't see him being the coach that would lead all the way.
• SportsAndLady

  

  So Tristan Thompson turned down a 4year, $52 million contract extension with Cleveland. Huuuuh?
• Lovejoy1984

  

  SportsAndLady;1696448 wrote:So Tristan Thompson turned down a 4year, $52 million contract extension with Cleveland. Huuuuh?

  Yeah....I'm not sure I understand that move from him.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1696448 wrote:So Tristan Thompson turned down a 4year, $52 million contract extension with Cleveland. Huuuuh?

  This was first reported back in Nov by Pluto. Not new news......
• friendfromlowry

  SportsAndLady;1696448 wrote:So Tristan Thompson turned down a 4year, $52 million contract extension with Cleveland. Huuuuh?

  I got a Bleacher Report notification on this today and was thinking the same thing CoA said. Is that where you heard it? They usually suck worse than ESPN does.
• SportsAndLady

  

  friendfromlowry;1696465 wrote:I got a Bleacher Report notification on this today and was thinking the same thing CoA said. Is that where you heard it? They usually suck worse than ESPN does.

  I saw it on NBC sports and cbs sports. It said in there that it happened before the October 31 deadline so I knew it wasn't "new" but I thought it hasn't been released until now. Guess not haha
• like_that

  

  Yeah, this was news after the Bulls game.
• Heretic

  

  SportsAndLady;1696476 wrote:I saw it on NBC sports and cbs sports. It said in there that it happened before the October 31 deadline so I knew it wasn't "new" but I thought it hasn't been released until now. Guess not haha

  I think it's being mentioned again to add to the mountain of "IT'S ALL CRASHING DOWN AROUND YOU CLEVELAND!!!!!" Cavs-related news that's been run with recently.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  Pick6;1696431 wrote:something I could support if it came to it.
  
  http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/adrian-wojnarowski-implies-that-lebron-wants-mark-jackson-to-replace-david-blatt/

  I just wanted to note that in the same article George Karl was mentioned as another candidate that might work in Cleveland. lol