2014-2015 Cleveland Cavaliers Season Thread

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  Commander of Awesome;1735643 wrote:In 2 yrs from now? Lol why are you even talking about that. If anything restructure his deal to keep him a cav for life.

  Bc the NBA doesn't allow restructuring deals. DONT YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS!!!1!!!1!
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  Commander of Awesome;1735637 wrote:Great insight!
  
  Career Cav, let's fucking cut him because of Dan Gilbert's pocket book! Fuck locker room, loyalty, maybe he's healthy, etc... Nope I'm doing to paper work now to cut him in 2 yrs!
  
  Glad you're not the GM.

  It's not about money. It's about allocating resources effectively. Varejao is not worth the money but you are right, we will probably keep him on the roster because of our cap situation. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he's traded as part of some package but I don't think any team actually wants him especially for that price so we would probably have to give up assets to get rid of him. That probably isn't worth it.
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  I wasn't really impressed by Love last year anyway so I'm okay with trading him in a packaged deal elsewhere. I just don't think he fits the system appropriately and he seemed lost at times. Irving, Lebron, and Thompson are the core players and those 3 with a decent supporting cast can compete for multiple championships. I think Love is kind of the awkward piece in the bunch much like how Bosh was the awkward piece in the Miami Big 3. If we can sign Love to his deal and ship him off for a talented 6th man and some bench depth I think it would be worth it because we need depth more than another big piece.
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  sleeper;1735668 wrote:I wasn't really impressed by Love last year anyway so I'm okay with trading him in a packaged deal elsewhere. I just don't think he fits the system appropriately and he seemed lost at times. Irving, Lebron, and Thompson are the core players and those 3 with a decent supporting cast can compete for multiple championships. I think Love is kind of the awkward piece in the bunch much like how Bosh was the awkward piece in the Miami Big 3. If we can sign Love to his deal and ship him off for a talented 6th man and some bench depth I think it would be worth it because we need depth more than another big piece.

  You do realize that the "awkward piece" in Miami has two rings, right? They're pretty much playing the same role, but Love is a much better rebounder than Bosh. Cavs would be silly to move him.
  
  Also, Andy is going anywhere. He's a LeBron favorite, and whether we like it or not, that means something around here.
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  Dr. KnOiTaLL;1735684 wrote:You do realize that the "awkward piece" in Miami has two rings, right? They're pretty much playing the same role, but Love is a much better rebounder than Bosh. Cavs would be silly to move him.
  
  Also, Andy is going anywhere. He's a LeBron favorite, and whether we like it or not, that means something around here.

  Take Bosh off that team and replace him with a little more bench depth and they still win 2 rings. Love is similar.
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  sleeper;1735685 wrote:Take Bosh off that team and replace him with a little more bench depth and they still win 2 rings. Love is similar.

  Absolutely not
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  robj55;1735687 wrote:Absolutely not

  Bosh was largely irrelevant before joining the Big 3 in Miami. Sure he was an all-star but Toronto never had any post season success and never won anything relevant until he was carried to 2 championships by Wade and Lebron.
  
  Love is similar. All-star, never won anything, carried by blah blah. The reality is, the problem with the Cavs is lack of depth not a lack of talent. Love would be better traded for a package that gives us some real bench depth, rather than the Big 3 and a bunch of old washed up veterans riding the bench. The Miami model worked okay but not as well as one would expect with having 3 of the top 15 players in the league. They were 2-2 in the NBA finals but probably would have been 4-0 if they had a bench that wasn't pure trash.
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  That's also why the current Heat are now irrelevant despite still having Bosh suck. Yes, I'm aware Bosh was out for half the season but its not like they were tearing it up with Bosh anyway; much like Minnesota with Love. The Heat also having a much better starting lineup and a much better bench and still couldn't even make the playoffs and they never will win anything if Bosh is allegedly their best player.
  
  Love is about 100x the player Bosh is; Bosh is overrated and terrible.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  sleeper;1735688 wrote:Bosh was largely irrelevant before joining the Big 3 in Miami. Sure he was an all-star but Toronto never had any post season success and never won anything relevant until he was carried to 2 championships by Wade and Lebron.
  
  Love is similar. All-star, never won anything, carried by blah blah. The reality is, the problem with the Cavs is lack of depth not a lack of talent. Love would be better traded for a package that gives us some real bench depth, rather than the Big 3 and a bunch of old washed up veterans riding the bench. The Miami model worked okay but not as well as one would expect with having 3 of the top 15 players in the league. They were 2-2 in the NBA finals but probably would have been 4-0 if they had a bench that wasn't pure trash.

  If we have Love, Kyrie, and Varejao healthy, our bench isn't trash at all.
  
  Lebron, Kyrie, Love, Shumpert, Mozgov, TT, Varejao, JR, James Jones, Delly, Miller, Harris. THAT is what was envisioned when the team was constructed this year. Obviously, key injuries played a big part in what you saw in the finals as a "shallow" bench, and what our roster actually looks like when healthy. I'm fine with roles like that for Miller and James Jones, where they are they 10-11 guys. Problem is, they were thrust into more minutes because of injuries. Their experience is what helped us weather the storm. Young, end-of-bench guys wouldn't have contributed as much, and we'd have never won 2 games in the finals.
  
  Just my opinion...
• Commander of Awesome

  

  If Love doesn't fit your system, fire your coach and get a new system. That's ridiculous.
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  Dr. KnOiTaLL;1735690 wrote:If we have Love, Kyrie, and Varejao healthy, our bench isn't trash at all.
  
  Lebron, Kyrie, Love, Shumpert, Mozgov, TT, Varejao, JR, James Jones, Delly, Miller, Harris. THAT is what was envisioned when the team was constructed this year. Obviously, key injuries played a big part in what you saw in the finals as a "shallow" bench, and what our roster actually looks like when healthy. I'm fine with roles like that for Miller and James Jones, where they are they 10-11 guys. Problem is, they were thrust into more minutes because of injuries. Their experience is what helped us weather the storm. Young, end-of-bench guys wouldn't have contributed as much, and we'd have never won 2 games in the finals.
  
  Just my opinion...

  Disagree. We never bring in Mozgov if Andy doesn't get injured so Andy isn't a bench player, he is a starter at that point.
  
  Now that we have Mozgov, our bench depth is basically JR, Mozgov, Andy, and Delly which is downright terrible. That's the worst bench in the league. Jones? Sucks. Miller? Sucks. Harris? Trash. Love isn't utilized efficiently enough in the Cavs offense to provide the value that he is capable of so I think he should be moved for some quality depth and bench players. That, among others, is one of the main reasons I was agains the Wiggins trade because at least Wiggins can provide SOLID bench depth.
  
  Love is a great player, but he's not good for the Cavs system.
• Automatik

  

  Love was coming into his own towards the end of the regular season up until his injury. I would give it another season before I'd say he's not a good fit.
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  Commander of Awesome;1735691 wrote:If Love doesn't fit your system, fire your coach and get a new system. That's ridiculous.

  You don't build a system around Kevin Love and we saw why in Minnesota.
  
  If Love wants to be successful in this system, then one built around Lebron James, a proven winner and the best player in the league, he needs to become an outside scorer threat much like Bosh. I am aware that Love can shoot it but he doesn't seem comfortable being that player and frankly if that is the only value he provides we can get that much cheaper + have some additional bench depth.
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  Automatik;1735694 wrote:Love was coming into his own towards the end of the regular season up until his injury. I would give it another season before I'd say he's not a good fit.

  This.
  
  Anybody who didn't see this wasn't watching the cavs on a regular basis or just eating up whatever ESPN says.
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  Automatik;1735694 wrote:Love was coming into his own towards the end of the regular season up until his injury. I would give it another season before I'd say he's not a good fit.

  He will have another year for sure with the Cavs. I think the Cavs keep the same team for the run next year but for seasons after I think they give a good look at moving Love for some depth. Maybe he will prove me wrong but as of right now I don't believe Love is the best piece for the Cavs.
• Mulva

  

  Lol at wanting to dump Love and give Thompson a max contract instead. Give me a fucking break.
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  like_that;1735696 wrote:This.
  
  Anybody who didn't see this wasn't watching the cavs on a regular basis or just eating up whatever ESPN says.

  I watch the Cavs on a regular basis and don't watch much ESPN.
  
  Really the only way I see Love adding value is for him to come off the bench and run with the second team. That way the offense can run through him and he can get his points while Lebron/Irving get a rest. Love isn't going to come off the bench and the Cavs don't want a max player riding the bench either.
  
  Lebron, Irving, and Love on the court at the same time is not going to work.
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  Mulva;1735698 wrote:Lol at wanting to dump Love and give Thompson a max contract instead. Give me a fucking break.

  Thompson isn't worth a max deal but he is close to it. Thompson is that unique piece that can give you production without hogging the ball offensively, while being flexible enough to guard the post and switch the pick and roll. That's valuable in today's league and one of the main reasons the Cavs were even competitive after Irving/Love went down.
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  Miami wasn't tearing it up, but Bosh WAS. He was the reason they were solid. Had they had him after acquiring Dragic and with how Whiteside played, they would've definitely been in the playoffs.
  
  Miami's problem isn't Chris Bosh. You can say he's not an elite superstar, but he's not a guy you can directly blame for not being good enough. I mean, I agree with most of what you said, but you're advocating to pay Tristan Thompson but Chris Bosh sucks? C'mon.
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  sleeper;1735699 wrote:I watch the Cavs on a regular basis and don't watch much ESPN.
  
  Really the only way I see Love adding value is for him to come off the bench and run with the second team. That way the offense can run through him and he can get his points while Lebron/Irving get a rest. Love isn't going to come off the bench and the Cavs don't want a max player riding the bench either.
  
  Lebron, Irving, and Love on the court at the same time is not going to work.

  Did you not see what he was doing against Boston? Yes, it's Boston, but he was killing it.
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  Haven't we beaten this "dead horse" about Love before? His value, being the third wheel, isn't going to be scoring 25 and getting 15 boards a night. His value is going to be how he opens up the spacing on the floor and outlet passes in transition, which he's magnificent at. Yes, he'll get his 10+ rebounds but, with KI & LBJ, something's got to give with his scoring. Bosh had to swallow that same pill in Miami. Do you want a championship or do you want to pad your stats for a "so so" team? They can't all be alpha dogs.
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  Azubuike24;1735701 wrote:Miami wasn't tearing it up, but Bosh WAS. He was the reason they were solid. Had they had him after acquiring Dragic and with how Whiteside played, they would've definitely been in the playoffs.
  
  Miami's problem isn't Chris Bosh. You can say he's not an elite superstar, but he's not a guy you can directly blame for not being good enough. I mean, I agree with most of what you said, but you're advocating to pay Tristan Thompson but Chris Bosh sucks? C'mon.

  They were solid?
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  Azubuike24;1735701 wrote:Miami wasn't tearing it up, but Bosh WAS. He was the reason they were solid. Had they had him after acquiring Dragic and with how Whiteside played, they would've definitely been in the playoffs.
  
  Miami's problem isn't Chris Bosh. You can say he's not an elite superstar, but he's not a guy you can directly blame for not being good enough. I mean, I agree with most of what you said, but you're advocating to pay Tristan Thompson but Chris Bosh sucks? C'mon.

  I'm advocating paying TT because he is what the Cavs need. I am not saying TT is better than K. Love but for this particular team that already has 2 very ball dominant players who are both straight better than Love, TT provides immense value to the team. Love brings too many cooks to the kitchen and therefore his actual value on the court for CLEVELAND decreases to a point where he's not worth the salary he is going to command(likely a max deal).
  
  And Chris Bosh does suck. He will fade away in obscurity if it hasn't started already at least from relevant events in the NBA. He may still pad stats but hell even Derrick 'I am more overrated than the word overrated itself' Rose puts up stats; but like Bosh Rose will never win anything without being carried by someone else.
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  Automatik;1735702 wrote:Did you not see what he was doing against Boston? Yes, it's Boston, but he was killing it.

  Again, the problem isn't Love as a player. He's obviously very good. The issue is, is he the best piece for the Cavs given a healthy Irving and Lebron? I don't think that he is and his contract $ could be spent more efficiently.
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  I'm not worried about James, Irving, and Love not being able to function offensively. At this rate, we'll be lucky if the three of them are all playing healthy in next year's finals.