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  • Footwedge
    lhslep134;1717637 wrote:How'd Pomeranz and White do in Colorado? Ubaldo helped lead the Indians to a playoff berth. Anything else is irrelevant.

    I'm not sure you know the definition of irrelevant given your lack of general knowledge and even further lack of basic mathematical functioning.
    Girl friend to boyfriend. "I want you to do me in the ass....that way I won't get preggy". Boyfriend to girl friend. "now wait a minute there girl...you definitely can get preggy if I boink you in the ass. Where do you think lawyers come from?
  • lhslep134
    Footwedge;1717685 wrote:Another Lunatic meltdown. You forget a lot of the details on Shemp....coming on these boards...touting his sorry ass on how wonderful the Ubaldo trade was.."can't miss" "proven veteran" blah blah blah ad nauseum. His tude was that his opinion is the only fuckin one that should count. The fact is.. Ubaldo was absolute garbage except for one 6 week stretch. But it doesn't even matter if the trade panned out or not...in this case...it was a total tribe flop. But it had everything to do with Shemp and his
    'great trade for the tribe"... andeverybody that thinks differently from thee,, the Almighty law student,t is wrong, wrong, wrong. So Shemp turned out to be wrong....everybody can be wrong...but that pompous POS needs to be reminded of it...and I will continue to do so. Now run along Lunatic, lick you wounds and come fight another day.
    Footwedge;1717689 wrote:LOLOL. Shemp in complete and total MD mode. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. LOLOLOL. Now tell the board another Bill James story.
    Footwedge;1717691 wrote:Now..back to tribe talk...a great article today again in the PD regarding tribe payroll. Kluber and Allen...a Cy Young winner and a really good closer combine to earn just a hair over 1 million dollars combined. The Tiger payroll is just about double...and even the lowly Twins are spending 20% more than the Indians.

    People bitch and moan about tribe management but they have done very well in assembling this team with the worst fan draw in baseball.
    Footwedge;1717694 wrote:Girl friend to boyfriend. "I want you to do me in the ass....that way I won't get preggy". Boyfriend to girl friend. "now wait a minute there girl...you definitely can get preggy if I boink you in the ass. Where do you think lawyers come from?

    I'll re-quote myself because each time you hit enter it becomes applicable again

    lhslep134;1717652 wrote:And when, as here, the two are combined? You have the holy grail of pathetically stubborn stupidity; which I guess describes Footwedge's entire existence in a nutshell.

    I hope for the sake of his potential offspring that Footwedge didn't procreate, or, alternatively, that he didn't pass along his penchant for intellectual incompetence.
  • Classyposter58
    Footwedge;1717691 wrote:Now..back to tribe talk...a great article today again in the PD regarding tribe payroll. Kluber and Allen...a Cy Young winner and a really good closer combine to earn just a hair over 1 million dollars combined. The Tiger payroll is just about double...and even the lowly Twins are spending 20% more than the Indians.

    People bitch and moan about tribe management but they have done very well in assembling this team with the worst fan draw in baseball.
    Kluber started 2013 in Columbus and really came out of nowhere, I guarantee his contract after this season is much much higher where as Verlander and Price are long time proven all stars
  • Laley23
    Id like to go back to why it is crazy to think Gomes will hit over .270?
  • BRF
    ^^^ I agree. I don't understand why that is such a stretch.
  • TBone14
    Last year was Gomes first full season in the bigs. He batted .278 and won the Silver Slugger. He is 27. In theory, this should be his breakout season. He has nothing to regress to. He played half the season the year prior and hit .294. Think about this...he hit .278 and only walked 24 times all season. He is still growing as a hitter. I think he can flirt with .300.
  • ohiobucks1
    Yeah, Im with FW. I think Gomes hits .280-.285
  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
    Laley23;1717722 wrote:Id like to go back to why it is crazy to think Gomes will hit over .270?
    BRF;1717821 wrote:^^^ I agree. I don't understand why that is such a stretch.
    TBone14;1717823 wrote:Last year was Gomes first full season in the bigs. He batted .278 and won the Silver Slugger. He is 27. In theory, this should be his breakout season. He has nothing to regress to. He played half the season the year prior and hit .294. Think about this...he hit .278 and only walked 24 times all season. He is still growing as a hitter. I think he can flirt with .300.
    ohiobucks1;1717870 wrote:Yeah, Im with FW. I think Gomes hits .280-.285


    I suppose it's possible that Gomes hits above .270, I just don't think it's likely. Over the past two seasons, his BABIP is nearly 40 points higher than the league average. 40 points! That's incredibly high, and the biggest reason I feel like his batting average will start to drop a bit. That, and the fact that teams now have had two seasons to develop a more in-depth scouting report on him, I feel like we will see some regression. Not saying he's going to hit .240, but I personally don't think he will hit .270 this year. I certainly hope I'm wrong though, because that would mean good things for the Tribe!
  • TBone14
    Dr. KnOiTaLL;1717877 wrote:
    I suppose it's possible that Gomes hits above .270, I just don't think it's likely. Over the past two seasons, his BABIP is nearly 40 points higher than the league average. 40 points! That's incredibly high, and the biggest reason I feel like his batting average will start to drop a bit. That, and the fact that teams now have had two seasons to develop a more in-depth scouting report on him, I feel like we will see some regression. Not saying he's going to hit .240, but I personally don't think he will hit .270 this year. I certainly hope I'm wrong though, because that would mean good things for the Tribe!
    Regress to what? I don't think there is a big enough sample on him to say what an average Yan Gomes season is. His 1.5 seasons as a full time player suggest a player hitting in the .280's. If you count in his 44 games with the Blue Jays 3 seasons ago when he hit .206...he is a lifetime .275 hitter. The BABIP should regress to the league average...that number isn't sustainable. However, I think as he grows as a hitter, he is going to walk more and cut back on his strikeouts, which should help his average.
  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
    TBone14;1717955 wrote:Regress to what? I don't think there is a big enough sample on him to say what an average Yan Gomes season is. His 1.5 seasons as a full time player suggest a player hitting in the .280's. If you count in his 44 games with the Blue Jays 3 seasons ago when he hit .206...he is a lifetime .275 hitter. The BABIP should regress to the league average...that number isn't sustainable. However, I think as he grows as a hitter, he is going to walk more and cut back on his strikeouts, which should help his average.
    Not sure I follow your logic. Over the last two seasons, Gomes has batted .284 (221 hits in 778 at bats) with a BABIP 40 points higher than the league average. While decreasing strikeouts will help him put more balls in play, if that number regresses, I don't see it being far fetched that his average drops 15 points, which would put him under .270.

    Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. I hope Gomes hits .300, makes the all star game, and blasts 20+ HR, but as for the average... advanced stats tell me that his current average is probably unsustainable.
  • TBone14
    Dr. KnOiTaLL;1717968 wrote:Not sure I follow your logic. Over the last two seasons, Gomes has batted .284 (221 hits in 778 at bats) with a BABIP 40 points higher than the league average. While decreasing strikeouts will help him put more balls in play, if that number regresses, I don't see it being far fetched that his average drops 15 points, which would put him under .270.

    Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. I hope Gomes hits .300, makes the all star game, and blasts 20+ HR, but as for the average... advanced stats tell me that his current average is probably unsustainable.
    I don't think it is far-fetched to say his average could drop under .270. His BABIP is unsustainable...I agree. I like advanced stats, as well. But they don't account for the fact that he is still improving and may not have peaked yet. As much as teams are getting more data on him; he is also still learning how to become a professional hitter.

    I may be wrong. We might have seen the best of Yan Gomes. He is a .250 hitter who had a lucky season with an off charts high batting average on balls in play and hit .278 last year.

    But I don't think that. I think he has the look of a guy who is going to be a career .280+ hitter and perennial all-star. Which would mean that last year he was basically a rookie trying to figure it out and got lucky to hit .278 and this year he is going to make a leap forward and while his BABIP will regress, the rest of him will improve and he'll hit .280+ this year.
  • Laley23
    If his Ks go down, it doesn't mean they will all be ball put in play still resulting in outs. Even if they aren't hits, and he gets a sac fly, a walk, whatever that cuts down on an out. Doesn't raise the average, but keeps it status quo.
  • Laley23
    Avatar ready to go! Hoping bringing back the '48 Logo will bring back some '48 magic this year.

    Getting pumped! I also just got word I have to travel to Houston again next weekend. I was pissed I am here and fly home Monday (otherwise wouldve hit up opening day game on ESPN). But, now that I am coming back, I can hit up the game Thursday if my flights all stay on time!
  • Crimson streak
    The thing I like about gomes and the reason I believe he will bat over 280 is the fact he hits the opposite part of the field very well. I can understand if he was a straight pull hitter but he's not. Same with kipnis. That's why I believe both will have very good seasons if they stay healthy.


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  • Gardens35
    Picked up 4 tix for the 11th.......looking forward to seeing House.
  • Footwedge
    ore on the tribe payroll. The starting staff will make south of 6 million dollars combined. A staff that will probably lead the Division in ERA this year. Verlander, Sanchez and Price will earn 63 million. More than that...Joe Nathan will make 9 million...Cody Allen will make 1/2 million.
  • Crimson streak
    Footwedge;1718154 wrote:ore on the tribe payroll. The starting staff will make south of 6 million dollars combined. A staff that will probably lead the Division in ERA this year. Verlander, Sanchez and Price will earn 63 million. More than that...Joe Nathan will make 9 million...Cody Allen will make 1/2 million.
    That's bc they haven't hit there contract years yet. Which obviously those other guys are older and more proven. That's why we have about a 2-3 year window until these guys are due for bigger contracts


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  • Footwedge
    Crimson streak;1718170 wrote:That's bc they haven't hit there contract years yet. Which obviously those other guys are older and more proven. That's why we have about a 2-3 year window until these guys are due for bigger contracts


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    Oh I know the reasons why. Just pointing out the huge discrepancy in payroll...and the value the tribe is getting. Would be nice to see the tribe come out as strong as I think they will. Maybe...just maybe the attendance will be respectable, but I doubt it. Fans will pony up for the Cav championship run instead. But if attendance is decent, I think Dolan would pony up to find a missing piece or 2, given the meager payroll expense
  • Heretic
    Footwedge;1718154 wrote:ore on the tribe payroll. The starting staff will make south of 6 million dollars combined. A staff that will probably lead the Division in ERA this year. Verlander, Sanchez and Price will earn 63 million. More than that...Joe Nathan will make 9 million...Cody Allen will make 1/2 million.
    I think the funny thing is that, after their bullpen was their biggest weakness last year, Detroit didn't really do anything to make it better. Nathan was lit up regularly last year and is still the closer? Not a good look...
  • Footwedge
    ZMac with yet another dominating performance today bringing his ERA under 3. Anybody that isn't stoked about this team isn't a tribe fan. Just love this starting 5. Still not completely sold on TJ House though. What a pleasant surprise he was last year.

    Brantley continues to hit close to the Ted Williams line.
  • Footwedge
    .Tito said today that Kipnis will bat second in the lineup. The team will not score as many runs against lefties this year and teams with strong left handed pens may hurt the tribe. A lot of ifs on offense with Moss and Kip. Hopefully nagging injuries were the reason for these 2 players having putrid years last season. Don't need a reincarnation of Mark Reynolds in right field.
  • Laley23
    Hopefully Z-Mac can go more than 4-5 innings this year. He has always shown flashes, and uses the high fastball to very good effect. But, he seemed to always hit a wall when the fastball lost life/moved further down the zone and he would get hit hard at that point.
  • ts1227
    I really hope this picture isn't the finished product. Looks like untreated drywall, and nothing like the rendering.

  • Laley23
    Verlander to the DL. May or may not make debut next weekend versus the Tribe.
  • HitsRus
    I think Verlander has been ridden like an old horse. Kitties should have dealt him and kept Scherzer.