Tribe Offseason Thread

• Crimson streak

  

  The fact lindor has not been sent down yet makes me believe francona is pretty serious about maybe having lindor start the season as the tribes starter. The kid is going to be a stud. I still think Ramirez starts the year but by May lindor will be our everyday shortstop unless Ramirez is playing too well to make the change
  
  
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• iclfan2

  

  Moss has to be in right.
  Also foot wedge, did you miss Bauer giving up 3 hr in an inning and then last week 4 triples in an inning? I'd call that struggling, and it makes me nervous.
  
  
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• HitsRus

  

  Might be a moot point if Kipnis continues to have back spasms ...Ramirez is too good to sit or be sent down, but if Kip is questionable, Lindor might be kept on varsity.
• HitsRus

  

  I 'm not worried about Kluber (gave up 2 dingers yesterday) or Bauer who have locks on rotation spots. Those guys are just going thru their working on pitches. Zac Mac and Salazaar , are pitching for spots in the rotation, so their spring training results are more significant.
• TBone14

  

  Footwedge;1715716 wrote:Some great update articles in the PD today. Only Salazar has struggled as one of the potential starters. Even Z Mac has been awesome. so far. Hagadone has been lights out so far. In the pen, Shaw has been God aweful.
  
  Our second string catcher, much like last year has been tearing it up. Working with Bourn to get his stolen bases numbers back up to 50 a season.
  
  Lindor is making it difficult to send him down.
  
  Kipnis with more back spasms and one has to wonder as to how healthy he will be. The question remains...Murphy or Ross in right field.
  
  I still think this team is loaded and should win the division.

  Nice. Not worried about Shaw. Kipnis is a red flag. If he misses time, can Ramirez swing around to 2nd and open up SS for Lindor?
  
  As for Moss/Murphy, I think right now there is room for them both in the lineup with Swisher still injured. Moss is going to be an everyday player, whether he plays 1st, RF or DH. They are giving Holt a good look right now. He's getting a lot of ABs this spring. I could see Holt/Murphy starting the season in RF, depending on lefty/righty starter. Santana pretty much the everyday 1st basemen and Moss mostly DHing. When Swisher comes back, you'll have 3 guys who really need to either play 1st or DH in Moss/Swisher/Santana. That will be interesting to see how that shakes out. Last season, Moss played 67 games at 1st, 56 in left and 34 in right so combined he played more outfield than 1st base but the Tribe have him listed as an infielder.
  
  There is a metric called Rtotal which combines several defensive metrics into one stat and the number is supposed to equal how many runs you either were worth to your team or cost your team based on your defense. Think WAR but instead of wins...it is runs allowed/prevented. At 1st base, Moss was -4. In left, he was -3. In right, he was +3, albeit the smallest sample size.
• Laley23

  

  Im worried about Shaw.
  
  He was very good for 2 years. But really started to struggle towards the end of last year.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^I noticed that, too.
• Footwedge

  Kipnis is starting to smell a lot like the Sizemore/Hafner scenario. The DP combo for the future is Lindor and Ramirez. Maybe there's a team out there that would part ways with an established reliever and take a flyer on Kipnis.
• Glory Days

  

  Footwedge;1715716 wrote:
  I still think this team is loaded and should win the division.

  I guess I am not seeing that as all. I see a lot of question marks piled with hopes and dreams.
• Crimson streak

  

  Footwedge;1715954 wrote:Kipnis is starting to smell a lot like the Sizemore/Hafner scenario. The DP combo for the future is Lindor and Ramirez. Maybe there's a team out there that would part ways with an established reliever and take a flyer on Kipnis.

  Lol he has back spasms not even close to the injuries Sizemore and hafner had. And to trade him for a reliever? GTFO
  
  
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• Sonofanump

  Crimson streak;1715724 wrote:The fact lindor has not been sent down yet makes me believe francona is pretty serious about maybe having lindor start the season as the tribes starter. The kid is going to be a stud. I still think Ramirez starts the year but by May lindor will be our everyday shortstop unless Ramirez is playing too well to make the change.

  Lindor either is the starter opening day or they wait until June to bring him up to preserve an arbitration year.
• HitsRus

  

  Crimson streak;1716039 wrote:Lol he has back spasms not even close to the injuries Sizemore and hafner had. And to trade him for a reliever? GTFO
  
  
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  yeah, I don't know why we'd sell Kipnis for a reliever, and at the bottom of his value. I could see trading Kipnis or Ramirez at the trade deadline to get a player we would need to help in a pennant run, but I'm not going to give either away for nothing.
• Laley23

  

  Sonofanump;1716060 wrote:Lindor either is the starter opening day or they wait until June to bring him up to preserve an arbitration year.

  Yeah, this. And I am all for it.
  
  Get him for an extra year by keeping him down. But, if you dont...start him from day 1 and just let him go. I dont want any of this up and down BS. He is the best prospect we have had since I can remember. Universally a top 5 prospect in every single ranking. When was the last time we had someone like that in the minors??
• TBone14

  

  The Tribe are gracing the cover of the Sports Illustrated MLB preview issue. SI is doing four covers this year featuring our Tribe, the Nats, the Royals and the Mariners. All can be seen here: http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/03/24/mlb-preview-sports-illustrated-cover
  
  Here is the Tribe cover:
  
  
• lhslep134

  

  Corey Kluber....smiling? What??
• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1716076 wrote:yeah, I don't know why we'd sell Kipnis for a reliever, and at the bottom of his value. I could see trading Kipnis or Ramirez at the trade deadline to get a player we would need to help in a pennant run, but I'm not going to give either away for nothing.

  I don't know why any team would trade any viable player of any kind for any reliever below the Kimbrel/Chapman sort of tier. Relievers are interchangeable parts that can be found anywhere for next to nothing, as long as you have the coaching to put them in the right position at the right time. Minor league starters who don't have the overall stuff to succeed in that role in the majors, reclamation projects looking to bounce back from injury, guys with good stuff who just haven't consistently harnessed it yet...decent to good relievers can be found anywhere in any number of ways that don't involve trading legit players.
• lhslep134

  

  Heretic;1716121 wrote:I don't know why any team would trade any viable player of any kind for any reliever below the Kimbrel/Chapman sort of tier. Relievers are interchangeable parts that can be found anywhere for next to nothing, as long as you have the coaching to put them in the right position at the right time. Minor league starters who don't have the overall stuff to succeed in that role in the majors, reclamation projects looking to bounce back from injury, guys with good stuff who just haven't consistently harnessed it yet...decent to good relievers can be found anywhere in any number of ways that don't involve trading legit players.

  Look at the source. Footwedge's stupidity is well-documented.
• like_that

  

  http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/03/24/si-cover-cleveland-indians-world-series-jinx
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^yeah, not happy about being on their cover.
• lhslep134

  

  HitsRus;1716146 wrote:^^^yeah, not happy about being on their cover.

  As long as we don't repeat 1987...
• Pick6

  

  Cleveland fans annoy me with their jinx shit sometimes. How many games did they win this year ('96)?
  
  
• Mulva

  

  In the playoffs? 1.
• Heretic

  

  lhslep134;1716125 wrote:Look at the source. Footwedge's stupidity is well-documented.

  Man, I hadn't even checked to see who was the person that had made that idea originally. Guess I should have known, given its complete disregard for simple logical baseball thought. I mean, for a relief pitcher? Lol, that'd be like an NFL team having two legit starting quarterbacks and deciding to trade one in order to get a good fullback.
• Pick6

  

  Mulva;1716150 wrote:In the playoffs? 1.

  Wasn't the question, but anything to play into the typical 'woe is me' bullshit i guess. People need to shut up and enjoy the publicity.
• lhslep134

  

  Pick6;1716153 wrote:Wasn't the question, but anything to play into the typical 'woe is me' bullshit i guess. People need to shut up and enjoy the publicity.

  You're acting awfully high and mighty and "stick up my butt"-ish over people mostly joking around about a jinx.