Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason 2014

• Commander of Awesome

  

  Midstate01;1618733 wrote:I wasn't sure Durant would be a star. He was so skinny I thought it was possible he'd snap in two.

  Fair point, however if he had played in the ACC, same conference as Miami, he would have been the #1 overall pick because he would have had 70 FG% and 19 rebs a game then. /rob
• Commander of Awesome

  

  robj55;1618680 wrote:Wiggins disappeared a lot, looked lost for large stretches. I don't think he is a great play maker, he is a great defender and athlete. I don't see a natural feel for the game or aggressiveness needed to be the guy. I feel he will be very good but not elite.

  Congrats, you said regurated exactly what S&L said 2 pages ago without adding anything of substance except what you "feel", aka heard on BSPN.
• robj55

  

  sleeper;1618741 wrote:Lebron wasn't even a complete played day 1 in the NBA. It took a while for him to become a decent perimeter shooter and be the player her is today.
  
  I see a lot of Lebron in Wiggins.

  I see a less skilled Paul George right now with a high ceiling, and there's nothing wrong with taking that at number 1.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1618746 wrote:Congrats, you said regurated exactly what S&L said 2 pages ago without adding anything of substance except what you "feel", aka heard on BSPN.

  Excuse me? I don't rely on anyone else's opinion to make my decision or opinion on a player. I trust my knowledge of the game over anyone else as should anyone when it comes to formulating an opinion. You obviously didn't read half the stuff KB and I were discussing because I broke it all down there. Then again you are the king of being selective with posts and running with that piece that you pick out.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1618745 wrote:Fair point, however if he had played in the ACC, same conference as Miami, he would have been the #1 overall pick because he would have had 70 FG% and 19 rebs a game then. /rob

  Hilarious, spin away.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  robj55;1618748 wrote:Excuse me? I don't rely on anyone else's opinion to make my decision or opinion on a player. I trust my knowledge of the game over anyone else as should anyone when it comes to formulating an opinion. You obviously didn't read half the stuff KB and I were discussing because I broke it all down there. Then again you are the king of being selective with posts and running with that piece that you pick out.

  Relax buddy, just giving you shit bc S&L literally said he disappears in games.....and you're an LBJ lover.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1618750 wrote:Relax buddy, just giving you shit bc S&L literally said he disappears in games.....and you're an LBJ lover.

  It's all good man, no hard feelings.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;1618731 wrote:You're seriously arguing that he wasn't a can't miss prospect coming into the league? I just explained it, Oden was can't miss as well and the best big man prospect in forever. You see what he did to Florida's NBA front court?

  Yes, I am.
  
  Lebron was absolutely in that "there is no chance he isn't a superstar" category.
  
  Durant was not.
  
  If he was, Portland has Durant right now.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;1618748 wrote:Excuse me? I don't rely on anyone else's opinion to make my decision or opinion on a player. I trust my knowledge of the game over anyone else as should anyone when it comes to formulating an opinion. You obviously didn't read half the stuff KB and I were discussing because I broke it all down there. Then again you are the king of being selective with posts and running with that piece that you pick out.

  I didn't see you very much on the cbb forum, how many KU games did you watch last year?
  
  Anyone who has seen more than 5-10 games of Wiggins, knows that he is eventually going to have all facets of the game. Just because he disappears in games, doesn't mean he will be missing perimeter shooting, defense, etc.
  
  Someone can be a holistic basketball player and disappear in games. Hell that was Lebron before his title runs.
• Rotinaj

  

  SportsAndLady;1618772 wrote:I didn't see you very much on the cbb forum, how many KU games did you watch last year?
  
  Anyone who has seen more than 5-10 games of Wiggins, knows that he is eventually going to have all facets of the game. Just because he disappears in games, doesn't mean he will be missing perimeter shooting, defense, etc.
  
  Someone can be a holistic basketball player and disappear in games. Hell that was Lebron before his title runs.

  Nope, to be a good NBA player you have to be absolutely perfect in all facets of the game in college. IMO, we will never see a good player come out of college again. I'd start looking more in China. Yao Ming is tall.
• Automatik

  

  Wiggins is just a kid....barring some type of meltdown he's going to come around. His mental issues can be fixed, but you cane teach that insane athleticism.
  
  Embiid over him is laughable. Parker, maybe, but I haven't see much over him....caught way more KU games than Duke.
• Laley23

  

  Automatik;1618803 wrote:Wiggins is just a kid....barring some type of meltdown he's going to come around. His mental issues can be fixed, but you cane teach that insane athleticism.
  
  Embiid over him is laughable. Parker, maybe, but I haven't see much over him....caught way more KU games than Duke.

  I wouldnt say laughable, but I agree I wouldnt do it.
  
  Embiid is the most skilled big man I have seen coming out of college since LaMarcus Aldridge...with way more defensive capabilities and athleticism.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Automatik;1618803 wrote:Wiggins is just a kid....barring some type of meltdown he's going to come around. His mental issues can be fixed, but you cane teach that insane athleticism.
  
  Embiid over him is laughable. Parker, maybe, but I haven't see much over him....caught way more KU games than Duke.

  I don't understand, if you've seen so many ku games, what you didn't like about embiid? Lol I mean the kid was incredible and he's been playing basketball for FOUR years
• wildcats20

  

  SportsAndLady;1618809 wrote:I don't understand, if you've seen so many ku games, what you didn't like about embiid? Lol I mean the kid was incredible and he's been playing basketball for FOUR years

  Everyone is stuck on injury.
• Laley23

  

  wildcats20;1618814 wrote:Everyone is stuck on injury.

  Im more stuck on the fact I think Wiggins is gonna something special.
• Automatik

  

  SportsAndLady;1618809 wrote:I don't understand, if you've seen so many ku games, what you didn't like about embiid? Lol I mean the kid was incredible and he's been playing basketball for FOUR years

  I don't have anything against Embiid's game. I just think centers aren't as valubale as they used to be....not worth a #1 pick imo.
  
  I'll admit, I am stuck on the injury but it's mostly just that Wiggins and Parker are in the same draft. I think they are both "can't miss" players.
  

  Laley23;1618815 wrote:Im more stuck on the fact I think Wiggins is gonna something special.

  And this.
• sleeper

  

  Automatik;1618803 wrote:Wiggins is just a kid....barring some type of meltdown he's going to come around. His mental issues can be fixed, but you cane teach that insane athleticism.
  
  Embiid over him is laughable. Parker, maybe, but I haven't see much over him....caught way more KU games than Duke.

  Laughable? I'd be comfortable with Embid or Wiggins; both are can't miss prospects. I think Parker is okay but I like Embid or Wiggins better(Embid would work better with Lebron on the team).
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618771 wrote:Yes, I am.
  
  Lebron was absolutely in that "there is no chance he isn't a superstar" category.
  
  Durant was not.
  
  If he was, Portland has Durant right now.

  Sorry I can't agree with that, not saying you're wrong.
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618772 wrote:I didn't see you very much on the cbb forum, how many KU games did you watch last year?
  
  Anyone who has seen more than 5-10 games of Wiggins, knows that he is eventually going to have all facets of the game. Just because he disappears in games, doesn't mean he will be missing perimeter shooting, defense, etc.
  
  Someone can be a holistic basketball player and disappear in games. Hell that was Lebron before his title runs.

  I would say I saw 5 or 6 of his games this year. Sometimes intangibles are just instinctual and people never acquire them. I like him a lot and would have no problem if the Cavs take him, my point was just that if you can trade that pick for Kevin Love you do that 100/100 times.
• Pick6

  

  This guy on my twitter is comparing Wiggins to T-Mac. Wut.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  Pick6;1619070 wrote:This guy on my twitter is comparing Wiggins to T-Mac. Wut.

  I can see it.
  
  Same body style, same athleticism. People forget T-Mac was a top 5 player in the NBA for a stretch before he got hurt. He could do it all....except win in the playoffs.
  
  If Wiggins topped out as good as T-Max, the Cavs would be extremely fortunate to have him.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  After doing some research I want Joel Embiid #1, Parker #2.
  
  *Assuming he checks out medically.
• ohiobucks1

  

  Commander of Awesome;1619221 wrote:After doing some research I want Joel Embiid #1, Parker #2.
  
  *Assuming he checks out medically.

  
  That's where i'm now at.
• vball10set

  I like Embiid, but not before Parker or Wiggins.
• ohiobucks1

  

  Embiid is up to 265. Back is said to be 100% (we'll see). Take him #1 and don't look back.