Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason 2014

• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618665 wrote:Sure about that?

  I think they can/will all be all stars, don't see the complete games to be a franchise player like a LBJ or Durant. No I'm not sure but I know none of them are going to get me 26 and 14 like Kevin Love can get me night in night out with high IQ and excellent passing.
• robj55

  

  The only thing I don't like about Kevin Love is that he is an underwhelming defender both in the post and off ball. He should be much better in that area. How much of that is coaching and how much of that is him? Adelman has never been known as a defensive coach.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;1618667 wrote:I think they can/will all be all stars, don't see the complete games to be a franchise player like a LBJ or Durant. No I'm not sure but I know none of them are going to get me 26 and 14 like Kevin Love can get me night in night out with high IQ and excellent passing.

  Have you seen Wiggins play basketball?
  
  Parker isn't going to be a great defender, but Wiggins already IS a great defender. And has everything else to go with it.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Love is a huge minus on defense.
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618677 wrote:Have you seen Wiggins play basketball?
  
  Parker isn't going to be a great defender, but Wiggins already IS a great defender. And has everything else to go with it.

  Wiggins disappeared a lot, looked lost for large stretches. I don't think he is a great play maker, he is a great defender and athlete. I don't see a natural feel for the game or aggressiveness needed to be the guy. I feel he will be very good but not elite.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1618678 wrote:Love is a huge minus on defense.

  Definitely, but can that be coached up a bit? As I stated Adelman isn't known for being a defensive coach. All I know is that I don't see any of those guys getting anywhere close to the production that Love puts up, 26 and 14 CONSISTENTLY is big time. Don't care about the not winning thing either, it's a team game. Jordan couldn't even barely get out of the first round without Phil Jackson and Scottie Pippen.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Twolves also play at an accellarated pace, top 3 in the league I believe. That should be factored into his reb totals.
• robj55

  

  Commander of Awesome;1618689 wrote:Twolves also play at an accellarated pace, top 3 in the league I believe. That should be factored into his reb totals.

  Yes, but dude is a monster on the glass, best p4p rebounder in the game.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;1618680 wrote:Wiggins disappeared a lot, looked lost for large stretches. I don't think he is a great play maker, he is a great defender and athlete. I don't see a natural feel for the game or aggressiveness needed to be the guy. I feel he will be very good but not elite.

  But you said he doesn't have a complete game. He absolutely has a complete game.
  
  Yes he disappears, but that has nothing to do with your point.
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618693 wrote:But you said he doesn't have a complete game. He absolutely has a complete game.
  
  Yes he disappears, but that has nothing to do with your point.

  He's not a great passer, not a great playmaker, not high bball IQ, not a great feel for the game. Inconsistent jump shooter based on what I saw as well. Didn't have the will or want to to take over games consistently, that's not a complete game.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;1618696 wrote:He's not a great passer, not a great playmaker, not high bball IQ, not a great feel for the game. Inconsistent jump shooter based on what I saw as well. Didn't have the will or want to to take over games consistently, that's not a complete game.

  SMH.
  
  Not saying he is complete right now. He will be a complete player in a year or two in the NBA.
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618698 wrote:SMH.
  
  Not saying he is complete right now. He will be a complete player in a year or two in the NBA.

  Okay now that is a completely different argument, he could be yes. Intangibles are a huge part of the game, he is young so that part can develop.
• KB0938

  robj55;1618696 wrote:He's not a great passer, not a great playmaker, not high bball IQ, not a great feel for the game. Inconsistent jump shooter based on what I saw as well. Didn't have the will or want to to take over games consistently, that's not a complete game.

  Not many players if ANY are complete going into the league. Hell be an elite player with an all around game within 2-3 years in the league IMO. Hasnt been a player with his potential in quite a few years I dont think
• robj55

  

  KB0938;1618722 wrote:Not many players if ANY are complete going into the league. Hell be an elite player with an all around game within 2-3 years in the league IMO. Hasnt been a player with his potential in quite a few years I dont think

  I think he'll be really good, but have to be honest about the assessment. The fact that he doesn't seem to have a natural feel for the game and low IQ while disappearing without aggression scares me a bit. He doesn't have to be a great passer to be elite but could be much better in the area. He's like 19 so a lot of time to grow, won't even know how good he is going to be for quite a few years.
• KB0938

  What makes you think he doesnt have a good basetball IQ? Sure he was inconsistent at times, hes a young kid not many are a well oiled machine. The other stuff you mentioned I can see or has been mentioned by analysts n scouts
• robj55

  

  KB0938;1618724 wrote:What makes you think he doesnt have a good basetball IQ? Sure he was inconsistent at times, hes a young kid not many are a well oiled machine. The other stuff you mentioned I can see or has been mentioned by analysts n scouts

  Because he looked lost within the offense at times, which led to inconsistencies, that boils down to bball IQ. He just doesn't belong in that sure fire superstar category. Lebron and Durant were can't miss sure fire superstars who you knew were gonna be what they are, he doesn't belong quite in that category. That being said I still take him if he's available and he's the best on your board. He can and will get better, seems like a good kid.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;1618726 wrote:Because he looked lost within the offense at times, which led to inconsistencies, that boils down to bball IQ. He just doesn't belong in that sure fire superstar category. Lebron and Durant were can't miss sure fire superstars who you knew were gonna be what they are, he doesn't belong quite in that category. That being said I still take him if he's available and he's the best on your board. He can and will get better, seems like a good kid.

  Obviously durant wasn't a "sure fire can't miss superstar" considering Portland passed on him.
  
  You sound silly rob, just stop.
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618727 wrote:Obviously durant wasn't a "sure fire can't miss superstar" considering Portland passed on him.
  
  You sound silly rob, just stop.

  Greg Oden was the best big man prospect in how long? Had he been healthy he would have been a great pick. I sound silly? That's your opinion. They were both billed as can't miss stars, one just got hurt. Sorry if you don't agree with my analysis/opinions on the matter. You have your opinion and I respect that.
• SportsAndLady

  

  robj55;1618728 wrote:Greg Oden was the best big man prospect in how long? Had he been healthy he would have been a great pick. I sound silly? That's your opinion. They were both billed as can't miss stars, one just got hurt. Sorry if you don't agree with my analysis/opinions on the matter. You have your opinion and I respect that.

  Lol if Kevin durant is a can't miss superstar, why was he passed up? He's can't miss right?
• robj55

  

  SportsAndLady;1618730 wrote:Lol if Kevin durant is a can't miss superstar, why was he passed up? He's can't miss right?

  You're seriously arguing that he wasn't a can't miss prospect coming into the league? I just explained it, Oden was can't miss as well and the best big man prospect in forever. You see what he did to Florida's NBA front court?
• Midstate01

  

  I wasn't sure Durant would be a star. He was so skinny I thought it was possible he'd snap in two.
• Lovejoy1984

  

  robj55;1618731 wrote:You're seriously arguing that he wasn't a can't miss prospect coming into the league? I just explained it, Oden was can't miss as well and the best big man prospect in forever. You see what he did to Florida's NBA front court?

  There were questions with Durant coming out.
  
  Can he pass, play defense, what position would he play, could he handle the NBA Style, the physicality.
• robj55

  

  HighRoller74;1618739 wrote:There were questions with Durant coming out.
  
  Can he pass, play defense, what position would he play, could he handle the NBA Style, the physicality.

  Fair points, the general consensus was that he was going to be a huge star though because of how well he scored the ball. You know how people equate scoring with stardom, hell just look at Melo.
• sleeper

  

  Lebron wasn't even a complete played day 1 in the NBA. It took a while for him to become a decent perimeter shooter and be the player her is today.
  
  I see a lot of Lebron in Wiggins.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1618727 wrote:Obviously durant wasn't a "sure fire can't miss superstar" considering Portland passed on him.
  
  You sound silly rob, just stop.

  I dont think anyone here takes rob seriously. Just because you say "fair point" before you discuss why LBJ should have 9 MVP trophies bc if he played in the west..... doesn't mean you're making logical well informed points. Just means you're bandwagon fan which no one respects.