Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason 2014

• Commander of Awesome

  

  Didn't know Hollins is anti analytics. Where did you see that? I'm curious, and would also like to know why. For someone who's built a career in data/analytics I'd love to hear why he doesn't like/find it useful.
• lhslep134

  

  Commander of Awesome;1628041 wrote:Didn't know Hollins is anti analytics. Where did you see that? I'm curious, and would also like to know why. For someone who's built a career in data/analytics I'd love to hear why he doesn't like/find it useful.

  Read anything about the rift between him and the Memphis FO, especially Hollinger.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  After some reading, sounds like the FO traded Rudy Gay bc of Advanced Stats showing he wasn't a good player and Hollins wanted to keep him. I'm ok with a coach wanting to keep what he perceives to be his best player. Now how much that disagreement boiled over on to the court and how he handled the trade could be different.
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  Looks like the Cavs have offered the coaching job to David Blatt. Thoughts?
• Midstate01

  

  Love it.
• like_that

  

  lhslep134;1628028 wrote:And the IQQY post of the week goes to like_that, who seems to be the only one I've seen that prefers a re-tread.
  
  
  Love the hire, a lot of guys have a lot of good things to say about him.

  Yeah that's a reach. Sorry I'm not like you and think every move the cavs/browns/Indians make is the greatest move of all time.
• Pick6

  

  If it gets finalized, Blatt is the best coaching hire this offseason easily.
• lhslep134

  

  like_that;1628064 wrote:Yeah that's a reach. Sorry I'm not like you and think every move the cavs/browns/Indians make is the greatest move of all time.

  Getting defensive while making an untrue claim (I clearly don't like every Cleveland move)? Seriously starting to sound like IQQY dude.
  
  Sorry that I don't want a re-tread and I'd rather have a coach that everyone views as an up and comer and that another team actually wanted as well (regardless of whether it was for an assistant position).
  
  If no one else is going to line up for Hollins or Karl, what does that say to you? I guess that's rhetorical because you wanted them bad enough to make an IQQY post.
  
  Once again, I'm just calling it like I see it. Just because you have one (well now two) IQQY posts, doesn't taint all of your others.
• lhslep134

  

  Commander of Awesome;1628049 wrote:After some reading, sounds like the FO traded Rudy Gay bc of Advanced Stats showing he wasn't a good player and Hollins wanted to keep him. I'm ok with a coach wanting to keep what he perceives to be his best player. Now how much that disagreement boiled over on to the court and how he handled the trade could be different.

  Yeah I should have clarified he's not "anti-analytics" but from reading on it, it sounds like he wasn't a fan of how much the FO implemented them, and wanted him to implement them in his game plan.
  
  Goes to show you that the FO was right, because they got better once Gay was gone and were once again a tough out in the playoffs.
• like_that

  

  lhslep134;1628091 wrote:Getting defensive while making an untrue claim (I clearly don't like every Cleveland move)? Seriously starting to sound like IQQY dude.
  
  Sorry that I don't want a re-tread and I'd rather have a coach that everyone views as an up and comer and that another team actually wanted as well (regardless of whether it was for an assistant position).
  
  If no one else is going to line up for Hollins or Karl, what does that say to you? I guess that's rhetorical because you wanted them bad enough to make an IQQY post.
  
  Once again, I'm just calling it like I see it. Just because you have one (well now two) IQQY posts, doesn't taint all of your others.

  Again you are trying too hard. The dude has no NBA experience. Sorry I am not going down on my knees for a hard ass coach (while our team consists of cry baby prima donnas) who has never coached in this country. The cavs didn't strike gold with their last two coaching hires, thus my comment.
  
  But congrats on your "my name is gut and I know it all" post of the week. Can't wait for the next one.
• lhslep134

  

  Your comment comes off as shallow because the only substance in your post is that he's a hard ass and hasn't coached in America.
  
  If you still feel the same way after reading this, well then I can't help you.
  
  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2103433-meet-new-cleveland-cavs-head-coach-and-euroleague-product-david-blatt
• lhslep134

  

  From the article
  
  "Irving's production may take a slight dip, but he should become more efficient in the process. He'll find better shots under Blatt, and he'll be less pressured to create those shots in general. The Cavs were never going to become an offensive juggernaut under Mike Brown—himself more known for his acuity on the defensive end of the floor. Now Irving and company will have a chance to learn from one of the very best."
  
  
  Yeah man, f*ck this guy, get him outta here.
• ohiobucks1

  

  lhslep134;1628098 wrote:From the article
  
  "Irving's production may take a slight dip, but he should become more efficient in the process. He'll find better shots under Blatt, and he'll be less pressured to create those shots in general. The Cavs were never going to become an offensive juggernaut under Mike Brown—himself more known for his acuity on the defensive end of the floor. Now Irving and company will have a chance to learn from one of the very best."
  
  
  Yeah man, f*ck this guy, get him outta here.

  
  Woj saying he's a good hire is enough for me. I'm pumpppppped. Parker + dion+ KI = solid core
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Wiggins+irving(if he leaned how to play an oz of fucking defense) = solid core.
• lhslep134

  

  I'm still convinced there's plenty of moves to be made to our roster too.
  
  For those who like Karasev, he played for Blatt when he coached Russia to a bronze in 2012.
• sportchampps

  From what the article says I think you could literally say the same thing about any coach. I think a forth grade rec coach would be a better offensive coach then Mike Brown.
• lhslep134

  

  sportchampps;1628111 wrote:From what the article says I think you could literally say the same thing about any coach. I think a forth grade rec coach would be a better offensive coach then Mike Brown.

  If you read the article, you noticed the parts they use to describe any coach, "By all accounts, Blatt is an offensive mastermind." and "You would be hard pressed to find a coach more respected as an offensive innovator than David Blatt.."
• Pick6

  

  lhslep134;1628106 wrote:I'm still convinced there's plenty of moves to be made to our roster too.
  
  For those who like Karasev, he played for Blatt when he coached Russia to a bronze in 2012.

  He played about 6 minutes the whole tourney I think I read.
• vball10set

  I want Jabari Parker.
• BR1986FB

  Have heard nothing but good things about Blatt. Have heard comparisons of a "poor man's Greg Popovich" to comparisons with Phil Jackson on how they run their systems. Pretty high praise.
• lhslep134

  

  Pick6;1628115 wrote:He played about 6 minutes the whole tourney I think I read.

  I know but he practiced every day so he knows the system.
• lhslep134

  

  BR1986FB;1628130 wrote:Have heard nothing but good things about Blatt. Have heard comparisons of a "poor man's Greg Popovich" to comparisons with Phil Jackson on how they run their systems. Pretty high praise.

  I'll post a film break-down later today. I'm in the process of finishing up Maccabi Tel Aviv-Real Madrid for Euro title and I have Russia-Brazil and Russia-Spain downloading.
  
  Really liking what I'm seeing so far.
• like_that

  

  lhslep134;1628098 wrote:From the article
  
  "Irving's production may take a slight dip, but he should become more efficient in the process. He'll find better shots under Blatt, and he'll be less pressured to create those shots in general. The Cavs were never going to become an offensive juggernaut under Mike Brown—himself more known for his acuity on the defensive end of the floor. Now Irving and company will have a chance to learn from one of the very best."
  
  
  Yeah man, f*ck this guy, get him outta here.

  Are you obsessed with him, because he is Jewish and coaches in Israel? LOL. I can use your re-tread argument and flip it back on you. I am sick of Cleveland teams in general hiring rookie project head coaches. Not to mention, there are PLENTY of "re-tread" coaches who have been hired and brought success to their teams. With your logic, the Mavericks should have never hired Rick Carlisle.
  
  That bleacher report article makes him sound like a good coach and all, but sorry basketball (and most other sports) is not just X's and O's (I am also not going to jerk off to an article making him sound great. How many times have we seen these feel good stories for cleveland in the off season?). He has never dealt with NBA personalities. Not to mention the rules in the euro league are a bit different than they are in the NBA. The Euroleague tourney is practically a single elimination tourney. In the NBA you might have to play 7 games, and most of the times the coaches who make the best adjustments win those series. It is much tougher to make adjustments against a team that you have played for the 7th time in a row. Not to mention, it's kinda tough to get FAs without a credible coach. I am sure most NBA players are thinking "who the fuck is david blatt???"
  
  I find it comical that you are appalled to the thought of anyone questioning the cavs hiring a guy who has no NBA experience. Give me one of those "re-tread" coaches who have had prior success any day of the week. Hell, I would take a seasoned NBA assistant over David Blatt. At least they know how the NBA operates. There is a reason why the other NBA team going after Blatt is trying to hire him as an ASSISTANT, not as their head coach.
  
  But yes, we should definitely be doing cartwheels and bending backwards for this guy, because you said so and a bleacher report article thinks he is good at X's and O's!!!!!!!
  
  Edit: and yes you do jerk off to most moves Cleveland (all sports) make. I'm pretty sure you were very happy with the Bennet pick, because you live in the west coast and watched a lot of UNLV ball!!!! Forgive me for not taking your opinion very seriously.
• ohiobucks1

  

  like_that;1628161 wrote:Are you obsessed with him, because he is Jewish and coaches in Israel? LOL. I can use your re-tread argument and flip it back on you. I am sick of Cleveland teams in general hiring rookie project head coaches. Not to mention, there are PLENTY of "re-tread" coaches who have been hired and brought success to their teams. With your logic, the Mavericks should have never hired Rick Carlisle.
  
  That bleacher report article makes him sound like a good coach and all, but sorry basketball (and most other sports) is not just X's and O's (I am also not going to jerk off to an article making him sound great. How many times have we seen these feel good stories for cleveland in the off season?). He has never dealt with NBA personalities. Not to mention the rules in the euro league are a bit different than they are in the NBA. The Euroleague tourney is practically a single elimination tourney. In the NBA you might have to play 7 games, and most of the times the coaches who make the best adjustments win those series. It is much tougher to make adjustments against a team that you have played for the 7th time in a row. Not to mention, it's kinda tough to get FAs without a credible coach. I am sure most NBA players are thinking "who the fuck is david blatt???"
  
  I find it comical that you are appalled to the thought of anyone questioning the cavs hiring a guy who has no NBA experience. Give me one of those "re-tread" coaches who have had prior success any day of the week. Hell, I would take a seasoned NBA assistant over David Blatt. At least they know how the NBA operates. There is a reason why the other NBA team going after Blatt is trying to hire him as an ASSISTANT, not as their head coach.
  
  But yes, we should definitely be doing cartwheels and bending backwards for this guy, because you said so and a bleacher report article thinks he is good at X's and O's!!!!!!!
  
  Edit: and yes you do jerk off to most moves Cleveland (all sports) make. I'm pretty sure you were very happy with the Bennet pick, because you live in the west coast and watched a lot of UNLV ball!!!! Forgive me for not taking your opinion very seriously.

  
  He is rated BY FAR the best coach in Europe. Is the only coach to coach a non NA team to a victory against a NA team on their home soil. Has won 3 Euroleague titles. Is considered an offensive mastermind. And is not a retread coach that has already proven to have no ability to win. What is not to like? Who did you want? Gentry? Give me a break. Excuse Me, LhShelp, and 90% of Cavs fans for being excited about thinking outside the box and trying someone who we see with the potential to change the shitty culture we've developed with Retreads and shitty coaches/front office moves.
  
  
  Not Bleacher Report:
  
  Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 4 Aug 2012
  
  Someday, someone in NBA will have the vision to hire Russian national and Euro coach David Blatt. He's simply one of the best on the planet.
  
• like_that

  

  With that being said, I hope I am wrong and it's a great hire. I just don't see that happening. All bets are off if LeBron miraculously decides to come to Cleveland though.