Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason 2014

• ohiobucks1

  

  like_that;1628169 wrote:With that being said, I hope I am wrong and it's a great hire. I just don't see that happening. All bets are off if LeBron miraculously decides to come to Cleveland though.

  Thats fair. If Lebron comes back, I wont give Blatt nearly as much credit when we look much improved next year.
  
  
  
  Among NBA executives who've spent significant time overseas watching David Blatt, Cavs-Blatt partnership being met with tremendous reviews.
  — Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) June 20, 2014
• like_that

  

  ohiobucks1;1628167 wrote:He is rated BY FAR the best coach in Europe. Is the only coach to coach a non NA team to a victory against a NA team on their home soil. Has won 3 Euroleague titles. Is considered an offensive mastermind. And is not a retread coach that has already proven to have no ability to win. What is not to like? Who did you want? Gentry? Give me a break.
  
  
  Not Bleacher Report:
  
  Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA · 4 Aug 2012
  
  Someday, someone in NBA will have the vision to hire Russian national and Euro coach David Blatt. He's simply one of the best on the planet.
  

  Who said anything about hiring a retread coach that didn't have prior success? If you do great in one league, it doesn't always translate to success in another. As I said before it is not just X's and O's. The personalities of the players in the Euroleague are much different than that of the NBA. We are going to have to agree to disagree and see how this plays out. I have said my piece, just don't give me some "IQQY" bullshit, because I am not happy with ONE move.
• like_that

  

  ohiobucks1;1628172 wrote:Thats fair. If Lebron comes back, I wont give Blatt nearly as much credit when we look much improved next year.
  
  
  
  Among NBA executives who've spent significant time overseas watching David Blatt, Cavs-Blatt partnership being met with tremendous reviews.
  — Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) June 20, 2014

  Then why are the Cavs the only team that looked to hire him as a head coach? You have two NBA teams who passed up on him to hire guys with NO coaching experience at all.
• ohiobucks1

  

  Who said anything about hiring a retread coach that didn't have prior success?

  
  
  Which head coach that was a retread that had a history of winning did you want? Karl would have been good, but we have NO IDEA if he was even possible. Who else was there? Gentry? No. Jackson? No.
  

  like_that;1628174 wrote:Then why are the Cavs the only team that looked to hire him as a head coach? You have two NBA teams who passed up on him to hire guys with NO coaching experience at all.

  4 teams wanted to hire him as either an NBA coach, or NBA top assistant. He also has had offers in the past and turned them down.
  
  
  
  I understand you don't like the hire, and we do. So we will just have to wait and see. I'm super pumped though.
• wildcats20

  

  Windy just said on Sportscenter that the Cavs are working on an agreement with Blatt.
• like_that

  

  ohiobucks1;1628175 wrote:[/COLOR]Which head coach that was a retread that had a history of winning did you want? Karl would have been good, but we have NO IDEA if he was even possible. Who else was there? Gentry? No. Jackson? No.
  
  
  
  4 teams wanted to hire him as either an NBA coach, or NBA top assistant. He also has had offers in the past and turned them down.
  
  
  
  I understand you don't like the hire, and we do. So we will just have to wait and see. I'm super pumped though.

  Karl, Jackson, and Hollins.
  
  Karl stated he had interest in coming back to Cleveland. After that I would have gone with some up and coming NBA assistants.
  
  Who else was trying to hire Blatt. I only knew of GS as an ASSISTANT, and the Cavs as a head coach.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1628161 wrote: Edit: and yes you do jerk off to most moves Cleveland (all sports) make.

  Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get that impression of him at all. He usually brings a lot of level headed, informative knowledge to the table, from what I've seen.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1628179 wrote:Maybe I'm missing something but I don't get that impression of him at all. He usually brings a lot of level headed, informative knowledge to the table, from what I've seen.

  
  He thought Bennet was a great pick. Enough said. I like his posts to be fair, but they are definitely made with wine/gold/blue/red/orange/brown glasses on.
• ohiobucks1

  

  like_that;1628178 wrote:Karl, Jackson, and Hollins.
  
  Karl stated he had interest in coming back to Cleveland. After that I would have gone with some up and coming NBA assistants.
  
  Who else was trying to hire Blatt. I only knew of GS as an ASSISTANT, and the Cavs as a head coach.

  
  Cleveland as well as New York, Minnesota and Golden State.
  
  http://www.jta.org/2014/06/08/news-opinion/united-states/nba-teams-looking-to-american-israeli-david-blatt-to-fill-coaching-slots
  
  http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/article/20140618/SPORTS/140615869/11532/SPORTS
  
  http://www.maccabiusa.com/nba-teams-looking-to-american-israeli-david-blatt-to-fill-coaching-slots-jewish-telegraphic-agency/
  
  http://www.stljewishlight.com/news/world/article_072d013d-faf3-5855-becb-3edd1acd6a4f.html
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1628180 wrote:He thought Bennet was a great pick. Enough said. I like his posts to be fair, but they are definitely made with wine/gold/blue/red/orange/brown glasses on.

  I don't think Bennett is going to be a HOFer but who is from that class? Yeah, he sucked as a rook but the jury is still out on him. If he doesn't make a significant leap in his second year, I'd be worried. I wasn't a fan of the Bennett pick myself. In fact, with the "talent" in that draft I probably would've selected "I'll pass" over any of those guys.
• lhslep134

  

  like_that;1628173 wrote:Who said anything about hiring a retread coach that didn't have prior success? If you do great in one league, it doesn't always translate to success in another. As I said before it is not just X's and O's. The personalities of the players in the Euroleague are much different than that of the NBA. We are going to have to agree to disagree and see how this plays out. I have said my piece, just don't give me some "IQQY" bullshit, because I am not happy with ONE move.

  It wasn't the content of your post it was how it came off.
  
  And yes I liked the Bennett move and I bet you'll see why this year. Sorry that I liked a draft pick in a complete shit draft? Frankly I would have been OK with any pick not named Alex Len so your point is kind of moot.
  
  I said this already like_that, who would YOU have taken last year? Positional redundancy with Oladipo? A dude coming off an ACL injury? Ben McLemore who provided positional redundancy and question marks?
  
  Liking the Bennett pick does not mean I fawn over every Cleveland move. Me liking Bennett began way before we drafted him, it happened when he dropped 25 and 13 on Cal in December pre-injury.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Every time a coach is hired, there are people tweeting "great move!" Except for the mike brown hire I guess.
  
  I'll wait and see how he manages egos before making a judgment on his ability to coach the Cleveland cavaliers. Obviously he can coach basketball, that we already know. But this is a new ballgame.
• ohiobucks1

  

  SportsAndLady;1628186 wrote: I'll wait and see how he manages egos before making a judgment on his ability to coach the Cleveland cavaliers.

  That's fair. However, after reading about him, I think he's perfect to manage KI+Dion's egos. He doesn't take shit.
  
  
  (for the lulz).[video=youtube;CmlXPip1D1Q][/video]
  
  
  coaching philosophy. [video=youtube;qXuavk980oI][/video]
• lhslep134

  

  For what it's worth like_that, I'm legitimately concerned about his ability to manage the players and egos. I think he'll be fine coaching, but I'm not dismissing your very valid concern. I think it's a worthy risk, albeit in a crucial time for our organization.
  
  There are certainly some coaches I would have preferred: Calipari (although I wasn't cool with him basically being above Griffin), Donovan, Hoiberg, Snyder, and Jim Boylen.
  
  My snarky response to you was only because those guys weren't serious, vetted candidates (Calipari aside, though it appears Dan Gilbert was acting as a rogue agent) and I really wanted nothing to do with Karl, Gentry, or Jackson. (I would have been OK with Jackson, but my skepticism resides in his clashing with management in GS).
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  Chris Mannix just said that they expect Embiid to miss 6 months before he can practice and 9 months before he can play.
• ohiobucks1

  

  Ytowngirlinfla;1628215 wrote:Chris Mannix just said that they expect Embiid to miss 6 months before he can practice and 9 months before he can play.

  Well that all but seals it 100% that we are going Parker or Wiggans (or trade).
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  ohiobucks1;1628216 wrote:Well that all but seals it 100% that we are going Parker or Wiggans (or trade).

  Said he will fall but shouldn't fall further than Boston at #6.
• BR1986FB

  Ytowngirlinfla;1628219 wrote:Said he will fall but shouldn't fall further than Boston at #6.

  Yeah, I heard he'll fall anywhere between 3-6.
• lhslep134

  

  Ytowngirlinfla;1628219 wrote:Said he will fall but shouldn't fall further than Boston at #6.

  If I was a GM, I would stay away. Here's a readup on the injury.
• ohiobucks1

  

  BR1986FB;1628220 wrote:Yeah, I heard he'll fall anywhere between 3-6.

  I think he falls to the lakers at 7. I don't think Philly will take him (Noel), Orlando (Vucivich), or Boston (need a scorer).
• lhslep134

  

  Taking each player case-by-case reveals the wide range of possible outcomes for Embiid.
  Curtis Borchardt (played 83 of a possible 328 games)
  Like Embiid, Borchardt first experienced problems with his navicular bone before entering the NBA. He missed portions of his freshman and sophomore seasons with stress fractures, undergoing surgery the second time and returning for a healthy junior season when he averaged 16.9 points and 11.4 rebounds per game. On the strength of that performance, the Utah Jazz traded up to draft Borchardt 18th overall in 2002.
  With the Jazz, Borchardt suffered a recurrence that wiped out his entire rookie season and he missed much of his second season due to a fractured wrist before playing 67 games in his only full campaign, the 2004-05 season. Borchardt was subsequently traded to theBoston Celtics, and his NBA career was finished when the Celtics waived him during training camp, though he was able to play overseas through 2012.
  Zydrunas Ilgauskas (played 756 of a possible 902 games)
  Ilgauskas offers perhaps the most hopeful outcome for Embiid. Ilgauskas' navicular injury -- which kept him from playing during 1996-97, his rookie season -- was again suffered five games into the 1998-99 season, limited him to 29 games over the next three seasons.
  But remarkably, after returning to the court in December 2001, Ilgauskas played at least 78 games each of the following five seasons, moving past his foot issues to become a two-time All-Star. He remained a contributor through his retirement in 2011 at age 36.
  Kevin McHale (played 419 of a possible 492 games)
  A broken navicular bone was the injury McHale famously played through during the 1987 playoffs, helping the Boston Celtics get to the NBA Finals before losing to the L.A. Lakers. McHale underwent surgery over the summer, which cost him the first month of the 1987-88 season. Thereafter, he played in 64 of 68 games, and missed just four total over the following two seasons. He made the All-Star team four times after the navicular injury before slowing down and retiring at 35.
  
  
  Bill Walton (played 259 of a possible 738 games)
  While playing through pain in the 1978 playoffs, Walton fractured his navicular bone in Game 2 of the Portland Trail Blazers' series with the Seattle SuperSonics -- the last he'd play for the Blazers. After sitting out the entire 1978-79 season, Walton signed with the San Diego Clippers, for whom he'd play just 169 games over six years, missing all of 1980-81 and 1981-82.
  Following surgery to reshape his arch, Walton was eventually able to contribute to the 1986 champion Celtics and win the NBA Sixth Man Award. That would prove his last hurrah, as Walton played just 10 games during the following season, his last in the NBA, before being diagnosed with another navicular fracture -- one that, ironically, prompted McHale to play through the same injury.
  Yao Ming (played 82 of a possible 246 games)
  At 7-foot-6, Yao had already dealt with foot and knee trouble, including a fractured fifth metatarsal bone in his foot, when he was diagnosed with a stress fracture of his navicular bone in February 2008. The Houston Rockets hoped at the time that they'd caught the injury early enough to prevent it from becoming a problem, and Yao returned from surgery to play in the Beijing Olympics and 77 games in 2008-09, when they won their first playoff series since 1997.
  During the conference semifinals against the Lakers, however, Yao reinjured the navicular bone. He underwent reconstructive surgery and was ruled out for the entire 2009-10 season before attempting to return the following season. Another stress fracture to his ankle suffered after five games led to Yao's retirement at age 30.
  [h=3]Embiid impact[/h]When considering the impact of Embiid's navicular injury on his draft stock, the severity is hard to overstate. Not only could it potentially keep him off the floor all of next season, the chance of recurrence will always linger. There's a hope that, like Ilgauskas, he could eventually enjoy a long and productive career. But teams picking at the top of the draft must also be prepared for the possibility that Embiid misses multiple seasons or even has his career cut short.
• lhslep134

  

  BTW that's from a Kevin Pelton insider article so that's why I copied and pasted it.
• BR1986FB

  Yeah, that's not very promising. More "rules" than "exceptions" as to those who have overcome that type of injury.
• Midstate01

  

  Please please please pick Wiggins!!!
• sleeper

  

  I like the Blatt coaching pick. I also want Wiggins. I wouldn't mind Parker either but I think Wiggins is a Kevin Durant type player who can be a game changer.
  
  If Bennett can turn into a solid starter this year, the core of Irving, Waiters, Wiggins, Bennett will be too strong.