2014 Cleveland Browns Offseason Thread

• BR1986FB

  like_that;1639868 wrote:Lol why do you feel this way? I wouldn't get your hopes up.

  A) he just hired the attorney that got Richard Sherman off, scott free, during his Adderall case in 2012, b) this attorney is apparently pretty tight with Goodell and they have a mutual respect, c) they lengthy delay in this decision and d) there's a bit of a backlash over the Ray Rice decision and the "no decision" on Jim Irsay.
  
  I know that Gordon and Ray Rice's situation are apples to oranges but Goodell has the power to make the decision any way he feels.
• Sonofanump

  BR1986FB;1639870 wrote:c) they lengthy delay in this decision

  This is interesting. The league is either screwing the Browns not letting them know, or Gordon will play at least half the season.
• BR1986FB

  The suspension could be the full year but I'm more optimistic than I was 24 hours ago after I heard 3 of those 4 new reasons. This attorney getting into the mix could be the curveball that Gordon needs to save his season.
  
  And another thing that I noticed was that Pettine had Gordon running with the 1's part of practice yesterday. Why do that if he's going to be done for the year as of this weekend?
• SportsAndLady

  

  I agree with you BR. I think it'll be downgraded from a full season to a half season, maybe even a 4-6 gamer.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  ts1227;1639867 wrote:Because god knows this just randomly happened and has no reflection on their Boomer or Gen X parents/grandparents

  Agreed 100%
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Footwedge;1639843 wrote:What exactly do you mean obviously not yet? From everything the coaches and GM have been saying, Manziel is working hard and making huge strides. A little tired of assholes like Mary Kay spewing her worthless opinion who as to who is performing better. Even Pluto is making me cringe with his articles lately.
  
  Barring an injury. I will wager anyone here up to 100 clams that Johnny Football will win the job no later than week 4. Any takers?

  I'll take that bet. Injuries aside, hoyer will be the starter past week 4
• BR1986FB

  Good lord, every media person who covers the Browns and even people who I know personally, who have attended camp, are saying that Hoyer is "firmly in the lead" and "looks a lot more comfortable running the offense" than Manziel. Manziel seems to be improving, which is better than regressing, but still has a LONG way to go. Unless your name is Chuck Booms or are a JFF nuthugger, an unbiased perspective will see this.
  
  Manziel could overtake Hoyer in this competition but Hoyer is going to have to look totally clueless in those first two preseason games and JFF is going to have to look like a seasoned vet to win this job coming out of camp.
• thavoice

  At this point BR I would EXPECT the veteran to be firmly in the lead over a rookie.
  
  It has been a few years since I have been to Latrobe for steelers camp and the rules have since changed. How do they do the training camps now? If I remember right they cannot practice as long or as much under the new CBA. Used to have 2 practices..one open and one closed.
  
  Manzeil will make some plays in the preseason games with his feet. He will look electric at times. Only the coaches will know though if he is doing the right thing and be able to grade him. If JM drops back, sees his firt guy covered and then runs and gains yardage it may look good to the fans, but in reality the coaches may look down on it that he didnt go through his progressions before running. There is more than meets the eye when evaluating a QB such as his understanding of the playbook and reading of defenses that NFL teams will throw out there.
  
  JM will be able to make up for his inexperience and lack of options at WR (assuming Gordon is gone) with his legs and that just may be enough to land him the starting job after a few weeks.
• BR1986FB

  thavoice;1639897 wrote:At this point BR I would EXPECT the veteran to be firmly in the lead over a rookie.

  Understood but it's not like Hoyer has been running this offense for years. He's new to it too so they are in the same boat.
• sleeper

  

  If Manziel is better than Hoyer, than he will be the starter over time. I don't see how you just dump Hoyer when he played alright last season before he got hurt.
• thavoice

  BR1986FB;1639899 wrote:Understood but it's not like Hoyer has been running this offense for years. He's new to it too so they are in the same boat.

  True, both would be new to the offense, but the veteran still does have a bit of an advantage just by being involved in pro offenses and the speed of the game. Talked to a kid I coached in baseball who is competing for a NFL job at QB and he is trying to unseat a returning backup and he said that just the experience of being in an NFL camp/games gives the incumbent backup an advantage. If they are going to do a legit competition then JM needs reps with the first team.
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1639901 wrote:If Manziel is better than Hoyer, than he will be the starter over time. I don't see how you just dump Hoyer when he played alright last season before he got hurt.

  Agreed. I would like to see JFF eventually be the starter since they used the 1st rounder on him but I think people are looking to throw him out there just for the sake of doing so. Hoyer isn't the long term answer but why throw the kid into the fire when you have the luxury of letting him watch & learn for a bit?
• vball10set

  sleeper;1639901 wrote:If Manziel is better than Hoyer, than he will be the starter over time. I don't see how you just dump Hoyer when he played alright last season before he got hurt.

  
  Exactly.
• BR1986FB

  Early reports from today's TC sounds like the Browns front seven is manhandling the O-Line.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1639916 wrote:Early reports from today's TC sounds like the Browns front seven is manhandling the O-Line.

  That's not good.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1639920 wrote:That's not good.

  Good for the front seven and that's with Dansby sitting out. I think the O-Line may be missing a starter. I know Pinkston's been out.
• thavoice

  BR1986FB;1639916 wrote:Early reports from today's TC sounds like the Browns front seven is manhandling the O-Line.

  Could be as simple as the defense just attacking the ball and the OL having to think too much about their reponsibilities in the new offense. Early on it seems that the defense has a little bit of an advantage while the offense gets their timing down.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Looks like there was a little scruffle between Ben Tate and some D lineman, Rubin and mingo
• like_that

  

  SportsAndLady;1639944 wrote:Looks like there was a little scruffle between Ben Tate and some D lineman, Rubin and mingo

  Good. Hope it's like that every practice.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1639944 wrote:Looks like there was a little scruffle between Ben Tate and some D lineman, Rubin and mingo

  Yeah, I saw that. Also sounded like there were interceptions o' plenty thrown by the QB's.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  BR1986FB;1639926 wrote:Good for the front seven and that's with Dansby sitting out. I think the O-Line may be missing a starter. I know Pinkston's been out.

  I believe Greco has been out as well. Missing your two starting guards, the defense SHOULD manhandle the offense.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1639920 wrote:That's not good.

  I disagree. I expect our Oline to be top 5-7 in the nfl. If they're getting pwned that means our dline is nasty. Love it.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Footwedge where you at?
• Benny The Jet

  

  2nd hand smoke is your defense? Good luck Josh ha
• BR1986FB

  A source informed Profootballtalk that suspended WR Josh Gordon's failed drug test barely generated a positive, and it would have been a negative had luck been on Gordon's side.
  Gordon was summoned for a urine sample. Those samples are split into two bottles, one marked "A" and the other "B." It's completely random which one is marked "A" and which is labeled "B." "A" is tested first, and if it generates a positive test, then "B" is tested. The limit is 15 nanograms-per-milliliter. Gordon's "A" bottle showed a concentration of 16 ng/ml, while his "B" registered a 13.6 ng/ml. The result was a failed test. If urine sample handlers would have by chance marked the "A" bottle "B" and the "B" bottle "A," then Gordon would be free to play. Gordon is appealing the ban, and his hearing will be held on Friday. There seems to be a decent chance he wins. Jul 29 - 2:21 PM
  
  http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8282/josh-gordon
  
  EDIT: I know he's a dumbass but how exciting would it be to have him for Week 1 in Pittsburgh?