2013 Cleveland Browns Thread: RIP Chud

• like_that

  

  Here is a question for all in this thread: What does Weeden need to do this year for him to solidfy himself as a franchise starter?
• CLEconomically Speaking

  

  like_that;1396471 wrote:Here is a question for all in this thread: What does Weeden need to do this year for him to solidfy himself as a franchise starter?

  Find a time machine and be born a few years later
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1396471 wrote:Here is a question for all in this thread: What does Weeden need to do this year for him to solidfy himself as a franchise starter?

  To me, it's not a "number" as in "throw less than x amount of interceptions, etc." He needs to a) win (not help lose) games and b) not look so much like a deer in headlights. He had moments where he looked very good while at other times I thought "WTF?" He's gotta have a lot less of the latter and a lot more of the former.
• BR1986FB

  CLEconomically Speaking;1396476 wrote:Find a time machine and be born a few years later

  And this is where the scrutiny lies. If he's RGIII's or Luck's age, there's no issue moving forward with him. He has a very small window of opportunity. He doesn't have the luxury to be babied.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1396477 wrote:To me, it's not a "number" as in "throw less than x amount of interceptions, etc." He needs to a) win (not help lose) games and b) not look so much like a deer in headlights. He had moments where he looked very good while at other times I thought "WTF?" He's gotta have a lot less of the latter and a lot more of the former.

  I agree, but throwing INTs leads to losing, so I am going to say he def needs to cut down on ints. Basically he CAN'T be the reason why the Browns lose.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1396482 wrote:I agree, but throwing INTs leads to losing, so I am going to say he def needs to cut down on ints. Basically he CAN'T be the reason why the Browns lose.

  Agree completely. In my comment about INT's I'd think it was assumed he can't throw 25 and the Browns expect to win. If he has even an "average" game in his first start (Philly), they win. He didn't single handedly lose that game but he was a huge reason for that loss, at least 80-85%.
• CLEconomically Speaking

  

  He will never be a franchis QB. He's the perfect 2-3 year bookmark while Chud finds his guy to develop though.. assuming we can keep a coach that long.
• Pick6

  

  BR1986FB;1396477 wrote:To me, it's not a "number" as in "throw less than x amount of interceptions, etc." He needs to a) win (not help lose) games and b) not look so much like a deer in headlights. He had moments where he looked very good while at other times I thought "WTF?" He's gotta have a lot less of the latter and a lot more of the former.

  Agreed. More wins, and more consistency. Im in the party of giving him another year, but I would like somebody who has a legitimate chance at being a starter/the future brought in to compete to at least push him. I really like Mallet (for a mid-round pick) or taking somebody else mid-round.
• BR1986FB

  Pick6;1396520 wrote:Agreed. More wins, and more consistency. Im in the party of giving him another year, but I would like somebody who has a legitimate chance at being a starter/the future brought in to compete to at least push him. I really like Mallet (for a mid-round pick) or taking somebody else mid-round.

  Belichick doesn't seem to like to make trades unless he can rape someone. I'd think his asking price for Mallett would start at a 2nd rounder, which we don't have.
  
  I don't want him but the thoughts on the radio were that Geno Smith would be there at 6. Also, Sirius thinks the Browns are going to put on the "full court press" for Flacco. I don't see Flacco leaving Crackmore but if the Browns can drive up the price and hamstring Baltiwhore? Win-win....
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1396530 wrote:Belichick doesn't seem to like to make trades unless he can rape someone. I'd think his asking price for Mallett would start at a 2nd rounder, which we don't have.
  
  I don't want him but the thoughts on the radio were that Geno Smith would be there at 6. Also, Sirius thinks the Browns are going to put on the "full court press" for Flacco. I don't see Flacco leaving Crackmore but if the Browns can drive up the price and hamstring Baltiwhore? Win-win....

  I thought Flacco was tagged?
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1396533 wrote:I thought Flacco was tagged?

  Not sure if they've tagged him yet but they will. The question is, would you give up two 1st's, to a division rival, for your franchise QB for the next 5-6 years? I would. Not likely to happen but I'd go "all in" on that deal. If nothing else you screw the Rats.
• Crimson streak

  

  I say we roll with weeden this year and if he's not our guy we go all in next year for bridgewater. We should fill almost all our big needs this draft/ FA where we can take that chance of moving up next year to get our qb. And if weeden pans outs its even better
• Pick6

  

  BR1986FB;1396530 wrote:Belichick doesn't seem to like to make trades unless he can rape someone. I'd think his asking price for Mallett would start at a 2nd rounder, which we don't have.
  
  I don't want him but the thoughts on the radio were that Geno Smith would be there at 6. Also, Sirius thinks the Browns are going to put on the "full court press" for Flacco. I don't see Flacco leaving Crackmore but if the Browns can drive up the price and hamstring Baltiwhore? Win-win....

  I like Geno. Not sure if he should be taken as high as 6, but I think he will be the best QB in the draft. People say he dropped off after the first half of the season, but he didnt. The defense was just maybe the worst in college football history.
• BR1986FB

  Crimson streak;1396541 wrote:I say we roll with weeden this year and if he's not our guy we go all in next year for bridgewater. We should fill almost all our big needs this draft/ FA where we can take that chance of moving up next year to get our qb. And if weeden pans outs its even better

  I'm more along this line of thought but if they could miraculously land Flacco (pipe dream), I'd do it.
• BR1986FB

  Pick6;1396547 wrote:I like Geno. Not sure if he should be taken as high as 6, but I think he will be the best QB in the draft. People say he dropped off after the first half of the season, but he didnt. The defense was just maybe the worst in college football history.

  Most of these "talking heads" seem to think he's a late 1st rounder. I have seen him going to the Bills & Cards in mocks though. KC obviously isn't that high on him if they are going after Alex Smith.
  
  The thing about this QB draft is that there might be some solid "developmental" QB's but there are no plug & play's like Luck or RGIII.
• CLEconomically Speaking

  

  How many teams are in the market for a QB this year? There's six or seven guys in this draft that are question marks. Just hang out til the fourth or even fifth round and see who's left.
• shook_17

  

  like_that;1396471 wrote:Here is a question for all in this thread: What does Weeden need to do this year for him to solidfy himself as a franchise starter?

  I want to see better numbers and wins. With Norvs offense I want to see atleast 20 tds and under 12 INTs. I expect 4000 yards passing and atleast in the playoff hunt. Anything else Im looking at drafting a qb next year in the first round. Like a Teddy Bridgewater. I think he is draft eligible next year.
  
  EDIT:
  
  Also I want to see him step up in big situations. I want him to be CLUTCH. No more excuses you are in an offense that fits your bill, no bitching nothing. lets gooo
• shook_17

  

  Raiders interested on bring Holmgren in for a "leadership Role"
  
  lulz
  
  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/26/re port-raiders-talking-to-holmgren-about-leadership- role/
• BR1986FB

  shook_17;1396760 wrote:Raiders interested on bring Holmgren in for a "leadership Role"
  
  lulz
  
  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/26/re port-raiders-talking-to-holmgren-about-leadership- role/

  "So you'd like your team to go from 5 wins to 4 wins and back to 5 wins? I can do that !"
• BR1986FB

  FA "names of interest" per the OBR...
  
  Flacco, Kruger, Ellerbe, Cary Williams- Rats
  Wallace, Keenan Lewis (big interest)--Pittsburgh
  Byrd (Buffalo)
  Goldson (SF)
  Moore (ATL)
  Chung (NE)
  Groves (AZ)
  Victor Butler (Dallas)
  Vasquez (SD)
  Schwartz (Minn)
• BR1986FB

  http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2013/02/nfl-draft-news-combine-cleveland-browns-john-simon/
• SMITTEMS

  

  Josh Cribbs is slated to become an unrestricted free agent in less than two weeks, and there’s a chance that could spell the end of his time in Cleveland after eight years with the Browns. Cribbs won’t rule anything out, and with a new regime in place he’d love to stay at a discounted rate, but he also seems to feel as though there’s a decent chance he is headed somewhere else.
  
  
  
  Josh Cribbs joined Baskin and Phelps on 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland to discuss his contract situation with the Browns, the new coaching staff, his feelings about his chances of re-signing, and his playing time. He also touched on quarterback Brandon Weeden.
  
  On his contract situation:
  
  “It’s at a standstill right now. I’m hearing a lot of different meetings are being scheduled with different teams and everything. My plan is to stay with the team as much as possible, even to take a slight paycut. But at the same time, not huge paycuts. And I’m trying to work with the team. I want to be a Brown. I want to end my career here. We have the coaches to do it now, to take it to the next level, and I definitely want to be there.”
  
  On the new coaching staff:
  
  “I’m excited to have the opportunity to work with those guys again. I worked with Coach Turner at the Pro Bowl a couple years ago and I definitely know that they can help me succeed and use me like I should be used. And hopefully we can get this contract thing worked out.”
  
  On if he gets the sense that he’s wanted back:“I’m familiar with the coaching staff. … Norv Turner, he actually utilized me in the Pro Bowl, the first Pro Bowl. He ran a couple option plays for me and he’s excited to work with me. But ultimately we all know that it comes down to the upper management and the organization, and after the coaches voice their opinion it’s up to them. … So I’m not too confident in upper management because I’m not sure of their plans, their intentions. Right now, it doesn’t seem like the interest level is there with upper management, but there’s ways around that. I gotta just weigh my options. And like I said, I want to be a Brown. I want to continue my career here. I want to retire a Cleveland Brown, and that’s my intention. I’m gonna go as far as I can with the team to make a compromise. And at the same time, I won’t devalue myself. I know I haven’t been used to my potential and all of that, but I just want to be able to help this football team see a playoff and get to the playoffs and see what we can do in the postseason, because I think we’re so close. And I [would] just hate to have to leave a team right when we’re on the cusp of winning, right when we’re getting the pieces together to make this a winning organization. So that’s where we’re at right now.”
  
  On being surprised that he wasn’t used in the offense as much this past season:
  
  “I was the most surprised. I was like, ‘What happened?’ I’m like, ‘Did I not catch enough [last year]?’ I was the third wide receiver last year and ended up being the second-leading receiver on the team, and I think I led in touchdown receptions or something like that. But it just disappeared. I know how the business works. My thing with coaches and upper management — mostly with upper management — you draft guys and guys come in that’s new, they have to play. And it shouldn’t be this way. It should be the best guys that’s gonna help you win that play. But when you draft a guy or you spend money on a guy, that player has to play or the person who drafted him or the person who got him looks bad. And I wish it wasn’t like that because when I didn’t play this year on offense, I’m like, I was talking to Coach Shurmur every now and then like, ‘Hey man, I caught this many balls for you and I didn’t have any drops. What’s up?’ But I kind of got the feel that it wasn’t coming from him, like it was over his head. And it was unfortunate because that was my best year as a receiver. You used me as a receiver, I came through for you, and let’s go further. And that didn’t happen, and that was saddening for me. And I did not want to have to go through that again, but with this new coaching staff I’m so excited to be a part of it. And now that my contract is up, I’m like, ‘Wow, it might be coming to an end here in Cleveland.’ But I don’t want to see that day come. So I’m doing everything, using the back channels, trying to stay a Cleveland Brown.”
  
  On Brandon Weeden’s up-and-down rookie season:
  
  “I think you’re only as good as the play-calling [and] being put in the right position to make plays as a rookie. Each rookie that comes in, whether it be RG3 or Luck, they have plays that cater to their skills, their talents. The coaches put plays in that they like to run, and the offense is tailored to them. It works out different for us when you have a rookie quarterback, rookie receivers, a rookie running back, a rookie head coach. We had a lot of pieces that were just starting out and things that were having to mesh together. I think Brandon did an awesome job. Sometimes it might seem like it took him long to warm up for a game, he seemed like he didn’t get a rhythm, but that’s just because he’s a rookie. He just got out there. Maybe it came easier to other guys, but as far as his talent as a quarterback and his skill level, he is the guy. He has a great arm, he can read defenses well and I think that this second year will tell the tale of his skill level and how much he has grown since Season 1.”
• Crimson streak

  

  SMITTEMS;1397153 wrote:Josh Cribbs is slated to become an unrestricted free agent in less than two weeks, and there’s a chance that could spell the end of his time in Cleveland after eight years with the Browns. Cribbs won’t rule anything out, and with a new regime in place he’d love to stay at a discounted rate, but he also seems to feel as though there’s a decent chance he is headed somewhere else.
  
  
  
  Josh Cribbs joined Baskin and Phelps on 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland to discuss his contract situation with the Browns, the new coaching staff, his feelings about his chances of re-signing, and his playing time. He also touched on quarterback Brandon Weeden.
  
  On his contract situation:
  
  “It’s at a standstill right now. I’m hearing a lot of different meetings are being scheduled with different teams and everything. My plan is to stay with the team as much as possible, even to take a slight paycut. But at the same time, not huge paycuts. And I’m trying to work with the team. I want to be a Brown. I want to end my career here. We have the coaches to do it now, to take it to the next level, and I definitely want to be there.”
  
  On the new coaching staff:
  
  “I’m excited to have the opportunity to work with those guys again. I worked with Coach Turner at the Pro Bowl a couple years ago and I definitely know that they can help me succeed and use me like I should be used. And hopefully we can get this contract thing worked out.”
  
  On if he gets the sense that he’s wanted back:“I’m familiar with the coaching staff. … Norv Turner, he actually utilized me in the Pro Bowl, the first Pro Bowl. He ran a couple option plays for me and he’s excited to work with me. But ultimately we all know that it comes down to the upper management and the organization, and after the coaches voice their opinion it’s up to them. … So I’m not too confident in upper management because I’m not sure of their plans, their intentions. Right now, it doesn’t seem like the interest level is there with upper management, but there’s ways around that. I gotta just weigh my options. And like I said, I want to be a Brown. I want to continue my career here. I want to retire a Cleveland Brown, and that’s my intention. I’m gonna go as far as I can with the team to make a compromise. And at the same time, I won’t devalue myself. I know I haven’t been used to my potential and all of that, but I just want to be able to help this football team see a playoff and get to the playoffs and see what we can do in the postseason, because I think we’re so close. And I [would] just hate to have to leave a team right when we’re on the cusp of winning, right when we’re getting the pieces together to make this a winning organization. So that’s where we’re at right now.”
  
  On being surprised that he wasn’t used in the offense as much this past season:
  
  “I was the most surprised. I was like, ‘What happened?’ I’m like, ‘Did I not catch enough [last year]?’ I was the third wide receiver last year and ended up being the second-leading receiver on the team, and I think I led in touchdown receptions or something like that. But it just disappeared. I know how the business works. My thing with coaches and upper management — mostly with upper management — you draft guys and guys come in that’s new, they have to play. And it shouldn’t be this way. It should be the best guys that’s gonna help you win that play. But when you draft a guy or you spend money on a guy, that player has to play or the person who drafted him or the person who got him looks bad. And I wish it wasn’t like that because when I didn’t play this year on offense, I’m like, I was talking to Coach Shurmur every now and then like, ‘Hey man, I caught this many balls for you and I didn’t have any drops. What’s up?’ But I kind of got the feel that it wasn’t coming from him, like it was over his head. And it was unfortunate because that was my best year as a receiver. You used me as a receiver, I came through for you, and let’s go further. And that didn’t happen, and that was saddening for me. And I did not want to have to go through that again, but with this new coaching staff I’m so excited to be a part of it. And now that my contract is up, I’m like, ‘Wow, it might be coming to an end here in Cleveland.’ But I don’t want to see that day come. So I’m doing everything, using the back channels, trying to stay a Cleveland Brown.”
  
  On Brandon Weeden’s up-and-down rookie season:
  
  “I think you’re only as good as the play-calling [and] being put in the right position to make plays as a rookie. Each rookie that comes in, whether it be RG3 or Luck, they have plays that cater to their skills, their talents. The coaches put plays in that they like to run, and the offense is tailored to them. It works out different for us when you have a rookie quarterback, rookie receivers, a rookie running back, a rookie head coach. We had a lot of pieces that were just starting out and things that were having to mesh together. I think Brandon did an awesome job. Sometimes it might seem like it took him long to warm up for a game, he seemed like he didn’t get a rhythm, but that’s just because he’s a rookie. He just got out there. Maybe it came easier to other guys, but as far as his talent as a quarterback and his skill level, he is the guy. He has a great arm, he can read defenses well and I think that this second year will tell the tale of his skill level and how much he has grown since Season 1.”

  
  I do like cribbs shot at shurmur though lol.
• BR1986FB

  Blech...could be a smokescreen though and I think that Miller is the lead writer at the Bleacher Report so take it FWIW
  
  Matt Miller ‏ @ nfldraftscout Relevant time to note that the # Browns reportedly love Geno Smith, but didn't expect him to be available.
  
  
  Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton86 Source says # Browns are interested in QB Geno Smith. He will definitely get attention from Cleveland's front office
• CLEconomically Speaking

  

  BR1986FB;1397912 wrote:Blech...could be a smokescreen though and I think that Miller is the lead writer at the Bleacher Report so take it FWIW
  
  Matt Miller ‏ @ nfldraftscout Relevant time to note that the # Browns reportedly love Geno Smith, but didn't expect him to be available.
  
  
  Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton86 Source says # Browns are interested in QB Geno Smith. He will definitely get attention from Cleveland's front office

  Goes against everything FO has said