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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

  • sleeper
    se-alum;1071489 wrote:Good Lord, those drafts are disgusting.
    +1

    Makes me sick to my stomach.
  • BR1986FB
    LOL...found this old picture on Deadspin from where the Hoodie was a Starter jacket "model"...

  • shook_17
    SportsAndLady;1071226 wrote:Yes, I understnad that and your article/point is duly noted.

    Most 6th rounders don't pan out either, but then you have Tom Brady
    tom brady. one in a million. weak excuse.
  • Pick6
    shook_17;1071604 wrote:tom brady. one in a million. weak excuse.
    Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Ryan Fitzpatrick is doing alright, Matt Schaub was a 3rd rounder,
  • BR1986FB
    http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/25719/20120130/post_senior_bowl_nfl_mock_draft/

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Mock-NFL-Draft-Senior-Bowl-Week-practices-Andrew-Luck-still-on-top-012812

    http://nflmocks.com/2012/01/29/updated-2012-nfl-mock-draft-post-senior-bowl-edition/

    http://mockdraft101.com/mock-draft

    http://www.sbnation.com/2012-nfl-draft/2012/1/30/2757802/2012-nfl-mock-draft-robert-griffin-iii

    http://newnfldraft.com/

    http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1.asp
  • Commander of Awesome
    Scratch my name off the list for fans of this draft. Jeff Risdon comes across as an an idiot.
  • shook_17
    Pick6;1071610 wrote:Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Ryan Fitzpatrick is doing alright, Matt Schaub was a 3rd rounder,
    i will give you warner. tony romo hasn't done shit in the NFL, biggest choke artist ever, neither has fitzpatrick, he had what 5 good games last year then fell of the side of the earth? i have a question for ya, how many division titles and playoff games have those qbs won?! tony romo hasn't won a playoff game, neither has fitzpatrick or shaub and i know for damn sure fitzpatrick and shaub have zero division titles. so if you want a mediorce qb in the regular season and doesn't win playoff games and division titles have at em.
  • shook_17
    BR i do like a few of those mocks. i really like the one that had us taking griffen with the fourth pick and wright with the 22nd pick. also the other mock that had us taking griffen with the fourth and dre patrick with the 22nd then the one with griffen fourth pick and barron the SS from bama. either way we are getting a little closer to free agency. come on march 13th
  • Skyhook79
    shook_17;1071925 wrote:i will give you warner. tony romo hasn't done shit in the NFL, biggest choke artist ever, neither has fitzpatrick, he had what 5 good games last year then fell of the side of the earth? i have a question for ya, how many division titles and playoff games have those qbs won?! tony romo hasn't won a playoff game, neither has fitzpatrick or shaub and i know for damn sure fitzpatrick and shaub have zero division titles. so if you want a mediorce qb in the regular season and doesn't win playoff games and division titles have at em.
    Romo has won 2 Division titles and has 1 playoff win, while not great it is more than any Browns QB over the last 17 years.
  • BR1986FB
    Skyhook79;1071956 wrote:Romo has won 2 Division titles and has 1 playoff win, while not great it is more than any Browns QB over the last 17 years.
    I'll do a "180" and say that of that list that he posted (Warner, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Schaub, etc), yes...they were later round or undrafted QB's but Colt McCoy will not have near the career that any of them have, including Fitzpatrick.
  • shook_17
    Skyhook79;1071956 wrote:Romo has won 2 Division titles and has 1 playoff win, while not great it is more than any Browns QB over the last 17 years.
    i knew he had a division title or two but i didn't know about the playoff win. opps. agree its not great but the dude makes the same mistakes time and time again. i wouldn't want him in cleveland because he is vastly overrated. they need to draft RGIII this year.
  • BR1986FB
    Do. Not. Want.

    http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/02/cleveland-browns-rumors-name-kevin-kolb.html
  • Skyhook79
    shook_17;1071969 wrote:i knew he had a division title or two but i didn't know about the playoff win. opps. agree its not great but the dude makes the same mistakes time and time again. i wouldn't want him in cleveland because he is vastly overrated. they need to draft RGIII this year.
    2011 Dallas Cowboys 16 16 346 522 66.3
    %    		 4,184
    YDS
    		 8.0 31
    TD    		 10
    INT    		 36 227 102.5
    Rate

    I agree who would want a QB in Cleveland with those stats.
  • shook_17
    Skyhook79;1071997 wrote:
    2011 Dallas Cowboys 16 16 346 522 66.3
    %    		 4,184
    YDS     		8.0 31
    TD    		 10
    INT    		 36 227 102.5
    Rate


    I agree who would want a QB in Cleveland with those stats.
    lol stats don't tell the whole story. i think romo was the same place as the browns after week 17. home. nice fail though
  • Commander of Awesome
    I went back and read scout analysis on McCoy:

    MCCOY

    Accuracy: Completion percentage benefits from many short throws and receiver screens. Puts those shorter throws where receivers can catch the ball, usually in a position where the receiver can make a play after the catch. Doesn't attempt a high number of intermediate-to-deep throws, although he can throw the intermediate out and the occasional line drive down the seam or sideline. Makes touch throws look easy while in the pocket or on the move but will float deep passes down the middle, often causing his receiver to stop or comeback for the ball.

    Arm Strength: Improved arm strength over his career, and now has good zip on underneath patterns and short outs. Only adequate arm strength on deeper throws, although he can sneak a 40-yard rope into the end zone if he spots an open man. Inconsistent spiral on intermediate and longer tosses. Rarely throws into tight spots between defenders.

    Setup/Release: Has only adequate height, but stands tall and balanced in the pocket to find passing lanes. Quiet feet when patient in his drop, but usually throws from shotgun. Willing to throw off back foot to get ball to receiver quickly, but that style gets him in trouble when throwing into traffic. Could be a bit more patient to sell ball and pump fakes. Good poise in the pocket and will stand in and take the hit. Inconsistent release, and will wind up at times allowing defenders to break on the ball. Missed throws tend to be high because he gets too anxious and forgets to follow through completely.

    Reading Defenses: Intelligent enough to understand what the defense is giving him and take advantage of it. Patient enough to let deep routes develop. Usually throws to first read because he feels where defense is weak. He will take off if first option isn't available instead of going through progressions. Hesitates to make a read on QB sneaks, finding a sliver to get to the marker. Must prove he can survey the field after taking a snap from under center. Not always cognizant of double coverage, and will force throws to make a big play.

    On the Move: Moves well inside the pocket, staying calm when pressured. Buys time with his feet, and is able to throw accurately on the run in either direction within 10-12 yards -- although he will lose his spiral. Loses accuracy past that point. Directs receivers into open areas while on the move. Picks up first downs -- and much more -- with his feet by displaying quickness and vision in the open field. Able to evade sackers and run through arm tackles, but is smart enough to slide or find the sideline when needed. Could be more patient looking for receivers downfield instead of tucking and running.

    Intangibles: Good intelligence. Quiet leader with positive attitude who doesn't give up during games. Impeccable character. Plays tough; gets hit often whether running the ball and in the pocket but bounces back up. Teammates will play for him. College football's all-time winningest quarterback.

    NFL Comparison: Jake Plummer, ex-Cardinals/Broncos

    Pretty much spot on. Same guy last two years.
  • lhslep134
    Romo wasn't the one who lost the Cowboys those games, it was his defense. Romo had a great season, and he's got a lot of talent.
  • derek bomar
    BR1986FB;1071958 wrote:I'll do a "180" and say that of that list that he posted (Warner, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Schaub, etc), yes...they were later round or undrafted QB's but Colt McCoy will not have near the career that any of them have, including Fitzpatrick.
    Fitzpatrick sucks. You hate McCoy, which is cool, but come on.
  • BR1986FB
    derek bomar;1072147 wrote:Fitzpatrick sucks. You hate McCoy, which is cool, but come on.
    Fitzpatrick still has a higher career completion % & QB rating than McCoy. Fitzpatrick may suck but McCoy sucks worse, by the numbers.
  • Iliketurtles
    shook_17;1071925 wrote:i will give you warner. tony romo hasn't done shit in the NFL, biggest choke artist ever, neither has fitzpatrick, he had what 5 good games last year then fell of the side of the earth? i have a question for ya, how many division titles and playoff games have those qbs won?! tony romo hasn't won a playoff game, neither has fitzpatrick or shaub and i know for damn sure fitzpatrick and shaub have zero division titles. so if you want a mediorce qb in the regular season and doesn't win playoff games and division titles have at em.
    LOL are you serious... I really shouldn't even respond because if you really believe this then you truly are an idiot.

    1) I will agree with you that Fitzpatrick isn't anything great but he is still better than McCoy but I wouldn't want him as my QB.

    2)Schaub- He actually does have a division title(this year) if you want to discredit him for helping the Texans win it because he got injured then whatever fits your agenda. The Texans might be in the Super Bowl if he never gets injured. Schaub is one of the top 10 QBs in the league and saying you wouldn't want him because he never did anything in the playoffs is like saying you wouldnt take Stafford because he hasn't done shit either.

    3)Romo- Really the biggest choke artist ever? Do you seriously believe that. I could go on and on about Romo but I'll just keep this short do you know since 2006(when Romo became the starter) who has the best passer rating in the 4th quarter? Its Romo. Does he make bonehead throws sure but all QBs do it. Romo's just get overblown so much more.

    If you really want to call Romo and Schaub mediorce QBs then like 95% of QBs in the NFL are mediorce.
  • se-alum
    BR1986FB;1072179 wrote:Fitzpatrick still has a higher career completion % & QB rating than McCoy. Fitzpatrick may suck but McCoy sucks worse, by the numbers.
    You're comparing someone who has been in the league for 6 seasons vs. 2 seasons(one of which, by all accounts, shouldn't even count).
  • BR1986FB
    se-alum;1072232 wrote:You're comparing someone who has been in the league for 6 seasons vs. 2 seasons(one of which, by all accounts, shouldn't even count).
    Why shouldn't one count and which season?
  • shook_17
    Iliketurtles;1072194 wrote:LOL are you serious... I really shouldn't even respond because if you really believe this then you truly are an idiot.

    1) I will agree with you that Fitzpatrick isn't anything great but he is still better than McCoy but I wouldn't want him as my QB.

    2)Schaub- He actually does have a division title(this year) if you want to discredit him for helping the Texans win it because he got injured then whatever fits your agenda. The Texans might be in the Super Bowl if he never gets injured. Schaub is one of the top 10 QBs in the league and saying you wouldn't want him because he never did anything in the playoffs is like saying you wouldnt take Stafford because he hasn't done **** either.

    3)Romo- Really the biggest choke artist ever? Do you seriously believe that. I could go on and on about Romo but I'll just keep this short do you know since 2006(when Romo became the starter) who has the best passer rating in the 4th quarter? Its Romo. Does he make bonehead throws sure but all QBs do it. Romo's just get overblown so much more.

    If you really want to call Romo and Schaub mediorce QBs then like 95% of QBs in the NFL are mediorce.
    schaub had some part in this years title. they can thank peyton mannings neck for having that title. schaub and romo don't lead their teams to divison titles year in and year out, let alone playoff victories. i don't care what they do in regular season. regular season stats don't mean shit, make it to the playoffs, make some noise then come talk to me. romo will NEVER be elite due to that fact he makes the same mistake year in and year out. also look at his roster, talent across the board, hard for a qb to fail there. schaub doesn't have a playoff victory either. i want division titles, confrence championships and superbowls not good stats. you don't like what i write iliketurtles block the shit.
  • se-alum
    BR1986FB;1072238 wrote:Why shouldn't one count and which season?
    The first one when he was basically shunned by the coaching staff until he was forced to be thrown into the fire. Even if you want to count that year, it's still only 2 years(with lockout between seasons) that he has had to work with NFL coaches. Not to mention the changing of the offensive scheme.
  • BR1986FB
    se-alum;1072335 wrote:The first one when he was basically shunned by the coaching staff until he was forced to be thrown into the fire. Even if you want to count that year, it's still only 2 years(with lockout between seasons) that he has had to work with NFL coaches. Not to mention the changing of the offensive scheme.
    Yet his first year was the year that gave us "hope" that he'd amount to something. And then he regressed...

    Don't see Andy Dalton & Cam Newton, TRUE rookies, making excuses. And don't give me the "supporting cast" argument because Jimmy Clausen had essentially the same weapons as Newton and he sucked.

    McCoy floundered in year two when he HAD his chances. Sure, WR's dropped passes and the O-Line wasn't stout, early, but McCoy repeatedly missed open receivers, threw behind them, etc. The first part of that scouting report on McCoy posted by COA was bullshit. It gave you the impression that McCoy was strong at hitting receivers in stride allowing them to get YAC. Nothing could be further from the truth.
  • Iliketurtles
    shook_17;1072329 wrote:schaub had some part in this years title. they can thank peyton mannings neck for having that title. schaub and romo don't lead their teams to divison titles year in and year out, let alone playoff victories. i don't care what they do in regular season. regular season stats don't mean shit, make it to the playoffs, make some noise then come talk to me. romo will NEVER be elite due to that fact he makes the same mistake year in and year out. also look at his roster, talent across the board, hard for a qb to fail there. schaub doesn't have a playoff victory either. i want division titles, confrence championships and superbowls not good stats. you don't like what i write iliketurtles block the shit.
    Well you need more than a QB to get division titles, playoff wins, conference championships, superbowls. Just look at the NFC playoffs Brees>>>>>>>>>>Smith and Rodgers>Manning. But Smith and Mannings teams won because their defenses were superior to Brees and Rodgers. Also I'd say I still think the Texans win that division with Peyton there but it would be close.

    When you defense gives up a game winning drive after game winning drive there really isn't much a QB can do. And what talent you mean pretty good WRs(who were injured pretty much all year) and decent RBs? The Cowboys O-Line isn't great or even that good and the Defense is great except for probably the 2nd worst secondary's in the league.

    Also from your logic you'd take Mark Sanchez over Romo, Schaub, Stafford, Ryan, etc?

    And I don't block people but you made some asinine comments and I felt the need to call you out. I mean its fine to think Romo is over rated and all but to call him the biggest choke artist ever is just ridiculous.