Cleveland Cavaliers 11-12 season thread
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BR1986FB
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mucalum49
Nice. Hope Manny Harris sticks this time.BR1986FB;1077405 wrote:http://networkedblogs.com/tDOFe -
Pick6
Dont like comparing Irving to dickhole, but seen this article on twitter:
http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2012/02/rookie_kyrie_irving_vs_rookie.html
So far, Irving has the edge over James. -
Commander of Awesome
Looking at the standings, the Cavs are currently 9-12 with a 3-7 record over the last 10 games. I don't see the Cavs sneaking into the playoffs. I would bet that NY gets their shit together and makes it in over the Cavs.Y-Town Steelhound;1077353 wrote:A playoff appearance for the Cavs would be be bad in the sense that it would have them picking outside of the lottery and good in the sense that it would give the young guys (particularly Irving) playoff experience. -
BR1986FB92.3 was asking the question "who would you rather have, Kyrie or Miami's #6?"
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sleeper
Lebron by a mile. -
Y-Town Steelhound
Kyrie by 2 miles -
BR1986FB
Agreed. #6 is more physically gifted but Kyrie will be a better all around player. He's already starting to show that.Y-Town Steelhound;1078211 wrote:Kyrie by 2 miles -
GOONx19
^ All around player? Lebron is the best all-around player since Oscar. And he's the best at his position. Kyrie can't be better than the best at his position, and he obviously will never rebound as well as Lebron, so he can't be a better all-around player. Lebron is Kyrie's ceiling.
And I love everything about Kyrie.
That being said, until Lebron gets his, Kyrie CAN distance himself by winning a championship. -
sleeper
GTFO. LOLBR1986FB;1078213 wrote:Agreed. #6 is more physically gifted but Kyrie will be a better all around player. He's already starting to show that.
I know no Cavs fan likes Lebron, including me, but you are absolutely delusional if you want to place Kyrie anywhere near the same level as Lebron. Lebron will end his career as a top 5 player all time, Kyrie will be lucky to make more than 2 all star teams. -
BR1986FB
Really? Can't shoot free throws...check. Piss poor jump shooter...check. Won't consistently play in the low post where he could be dominant...check. Settles for jump shots intead of consistently attacking the hoop where he would also be dominant...check. Can't make said jumpshots to save his life...check. Has no "clutch gene" and will never develop one...check. Doesn't look like an "all around player" to me. Helluva "athlete" who can jump out of the gym? Sure...but great "all around" player?...nah.GOONx19;1078253 wrote:^ All around player? Lebron is the best all-around player since Oscar.
Irving has already shown he can do these things, and more, except for maybe the low post part, which isn't his game anyhow. With the game on the line he is fearless, WANTS the ball and ATTACKS. #6's nutsack shrivels up and he chokes. -
sleeper
SMH. Stick to football. Your hate for Lebron blinds you.BR1986FB;1078259 wrote:Really? Can't shoot free throws...check. Piss poor jump shooter...check. Won't consistently play in the low post where he could be dominant...check. Settles for jump shots intead of consistently attacking the hoop where he would also be dominant...check. Can't make said jumpshots to save his life...check. Has no "clutch gene" and will never develop one...check. Doesn't look like an "all around player" to me. Helluva "athlete" who can jump out of the gym? Sure...but great "all around" player?...nah.
Irving has already shown he can do these things, and more, except for maybe the low post part, which isn't his game anyhow. With the game on the line he is fearless, WANTS the ball and ATTACKS. #6's nutsack shrivels up and he chokes. -
BR1986FB
Why, because I bring FACTS to the table? Everything that I mentioned in that post about him is correct. You slobbering all over his nuts for all of these years blinds you. I was critical of his game LONG before he bolted for South Beach.sleeper;1078263 wrote:SMH. Stick to football. Your hate for Lebron blinds you. -
Wooball
Not exactly FACTS you bring to the table. More like exaggerations. He is a streaky jumpshooter, not piss poor. He shoots free throws at an OK .760. He hasn't been very clutch the last couple years, but he did take a Cavs team with no other star to the NBA finals. His career averages are 27ppg/7apg/7rpg/1.7spg. That looks like a great all around player to me. I hope he loses everytime he steps on the floor, and he does have some flaws, but he is a helluva player.BR1986FB;1078273 wrote:Why, because I bring FACTS to the table? Everything that I mentioned in that post about him is correct. You slobbering all over his nuts for all of these years blinds you. I was critical of his game LONG before he bolted for South Beach. -
sleeper
Those aren't facts. Those are opinions. I guess we'll see in a few years when Kyrie is a full developed NBA player. I'd be willing to compare their career stats(aka facts) and we'll see that Lebron is heads and shoulders above Kyrie in every way. Scoring, rebounding, and assists.BR1986FB;1078273 wrote:Why, because I bring FACTS to the table? Everything that I mentioned in that post about him is correct. You slobbering all over his nuts for all of these years blinds you. I was critical of his game LONG before he bolted for South Beach. -
Y-Town Steelhound
Assuming the question is RIGHT NOW, I would definitely take Kyrie. Kyrie has only scratched the surface of his talent and has many more years ahead of him. LeBron is in his prime and is at the peak of the mountain. Now I think he can stay at this peak for a few more years, but eventually the years of wear and tear his body has experienced will catch up with him. When his athleticism deteriorates, LeBron will not be near as useful as a player since he relies on it so much. I also know that a team built around LeBron is not a championship caliber team, this we have seen. I do not yet know that to be true of Irving.
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BR1986FB
#6 hasn't ever developed the clutch gene. If he hasn't by now, it's likely not going to happen. Irving has said "I'd never settle for a jumper" (to win a game) or something to that effect.Y-Town Steelhound;1078297 wrote:Assuming the question is RIGHT NOW, I would definitely take Kyrie. Kyrie has only scratched the surface of his talent and has many more years ahead of him. LeBron is in his prime and is at the peak of the mountain. Now I think he can stay at this peak for a few more years, but eventually the years of wear and tear his body has experienced will catch up with him. When his athleticism deteriorates, LeBron will not be near as useful as a player since he relies on it so much. I also know that a team built around LeBron is not a championship caliber team, this we have seen. I do not yet know that to be true of Irving.
I think that Kyrie is going to have PLENTY of chances to prove whether he's clutch, whether through hitting a game winner on a drive or hitting free throws after getting fouled to win it. #6 will just settle for his jumpers. -
Pick6
check the link I posted. Kyrie's stats are better than Lebron's stats at the same point in their rookie careers. (And not im not saying Kyrie is better)sleeper;1078290 wrote:Those aren't facts. Those are opinions. I guess we'll see in a few years when Kyrie is a full developed NBA player. I'd be willing to compare their career stats(aka facts) and we'll see that Lebron is heads and shoulders above Kyrie in every way. Scoring, rebounding, and assists. -
BR1986FB
Guess part of my point is that Kyrie has that "go for the throat/killer instinct" that #6 does not.Pick6;1078332 wrote:check the link I posted. Kyrie's stats are better than Lebron's stats at the same point in their rookie careers. (And not im not saying Kyrie is better) -
sleeper
Lebron's only "bad" season with the Cavs was his rookie season. And his rookie numbers at season completion are better than Kyrie's right now. It'd be incredible if Kyrie turns out to be better than Lebron, but I don't see it, not even close.Pick6;1078332 wrote:check the link I posted. Kyrie's stats are better than Lebron's stats at the same point in their rookie careers. (And not im not saying Kyrie is better) -
sleeper
#6 led the league in 4th quarter scoring most of his time with Cleveland. He also had most games won before the last shot too. I'll take that any day of the week.BR1986FB;1078336 wrote:Guess part of my point is that Kyrie has that "go for the throat/killer instinct" that #6 does not. -
GOONx19
Quit talking about the damn "clutch gene". it's something Skip Bayless made up to rationalize his hatred for Lebron. Lebron has made more game winning shots in his career than any active player except Kobe, who is another great player. And I'd be willing to bet that Lebron has one of the best winning percentages of any current player.BR1986FB;1078312 wrote:#6 hasn't ever developed the clutch gene. If he hasn't by now, it's likely not going to happen. Irving has said "I'd never settle for a jumper" (to win a game) or something to that effect.
I think that Kyrie is going to have PLENTY of chances to prove whether he's clutch, whether through hitting a game winner on a drive or hitting free throws after getting fouled to win it. #6 will just settle for his jumpers. -
Skyhook79
Maybe but he is 2-8 in NBA Finals games.GOONx19;1078383 wrote:Quit talking about the damn "clutch gene". it's something Skip Bayless made up to rationalize his hatred for Lebron. Lebron has made more game winning shots in his career than any active player except Kobe, who is another great player. And I'd be willing to bet that Lebron has one of the best winning percentages of any current player. -
sleeper
I think Lebron is clutch, but its hard to talk about "game winning shots". There are a lot of ways to interpret the clutchness factor, but a lot of stats put Lebron at the top or near the top in 4th quarter scoring and various clutch factors(such as scoring in the last 5 minutes of a game when the score is within 5).GOONx19;1078383 wrote:Quit talking about the damn "clutch gene". it's something Skip Bayless made up to rationalize his hatred for Lebron. Lebron has made more game winning shots in his career than any active player except Kobe, who is another great player. And I'd be willing to bet that Lebron has one of the best winning percentages of any current player. -
lhslep134
You're right, because scoring 25 straight points to beat your heated rival in a pivotal Eastern Conference playoff game doesn't require killer instinct...BR1986FB;1078336 wrote:Guess part of my point is that Kyrie has that "go for the throat/killer instinct" that #6 does not.
It's so pathetic how many Cleveland fans, who for years defended Lebron's amazing 4th quarter stats in the argument against Kobe, now say he's not clutch because he doesn't know how to co-exist with another superstar in a close game in the 4th. I'm looking at you BR.