Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread

• shook_17

  

  Pick6;1011479 wrote:I wasnt aware the defense turned the ball over.

  have you seen what this dude has done all year? breaking record after record. peyton manning sucked ass his first season. good thing you aren't a GM.
• BR1986FB

  After hearing more & more about how Shurmur handled this, I definitely think it's a fireable offense but why do I somehow see the front office, as usual, spin it and keep his sorry ass around?
  
  On another note, Colt McCoy's "daddy" may have done a helluva job of killing his career moving forward with his "my son has suffered multiple concussions since high school" comment. First time I've heard that. Kinda gives the front office an "out" to move forward with another QB.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  I think the Browns are going to move on at the QB spot regardless of his concussion history.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1012052 wrote:I think the Browns are going to move on at the QB spot regardless of his concussion history.

  Agree. Again, he doesn't have the weapons other QB's have had but he's failed in opportunities that were there. I think what these guys (front office) were looking at is "will Colt McCoy be the type of QB that raises the level of play of players around him (ala Manning, Brady, etc and I'm NOT comparing him to those guys) around him" OR 'will the personnel need to be upgraded significantly to make McCoy look good?"
• Commander of Awesome

  

  I just think the FO realizes that he's not good.
• BR1986FB

  I also think a lot of unrealistic expectations were put upon a 3rd round QB who has limited physical tools and has to survive on "toughness" and "moxie." I'll include myself as one of those who had high expectations. Kinda like Brady Quinn, there's a reason he fell in the draft.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  I hated Quinn in college, after watching Jane against OSU I knew he didn't have it. You could say the same thing about Rodgers, and there being a reason he fell in the draft.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1012063 wrote:I hated Quinn in college, after watching Jane against OSU I knew he didn't have it. You could say the same thing about Rodgers, and there being a reason he fell in the draft.

  But damn would I like Rodgers in Orange & Brown.
• SMITTEMS

  

  ND linebacker Teo says he is returning for his senior year.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SMITTEMS;1012431 wrote:ND linebacker Teo says he is returning for his senior year.

  Not upset, I wasn't high on him to begin with and didn't want the browns to draft him. He's mr. average IMO.
• BR1986FB

  They've had their share of average linebackers since they returned. They need IMPACT.
• said_aouita

  

  BR1986FB;1012452 wrote:They've had their share of average linebackers since they returned. They need IMPACT.

  Chris Spielman ain't coming back, dude.
• BR1986FB

  Actually, after hearing it play out, Shurmur shouldn't be dismissed for this Colt McCoy deal. Should he have put him back out there that soon? Probably not but Shurmur isn't a doctor and the training staff said he was good to go. I think they will likely get some kind of league punishment.
• like_that

  

  Just curious for those who are opposed to McCoy playing another year.
  
  After seeing what Bradford has done these 2 seasons, do you think he is the answer for the Rams? He has looked anything but great in the games he has played this year. Other than the line (which the Browns line is not THAT much better) Bradford has more talent/weapons to work with, including a much better RB and #1 WR.
  
  It seems like McCoy and Bradford are both in similar situations, except one guy was the #1 overall pick, and the other was a third round pick.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  I disagree on the Rams line, they have the worst line in the league and its not close. Its 99 browns bad. Jason Smith is a monumental bust and injured, and Roger Stafford has taken a major step back and is also injured this season. That being said he has much better playmakers and a superior running game behind him.
• derek bomar

  

  Commander of Awesome;1013024 wrote:I disagree on the Rams line, they have the worst line in the league and its not close. Its 99 browns bad. Jason Smith is a monumental bust and injured, and Roger Stafford has taken a major step back and is also injured this season. That being said he has much better playmakers and a superior running game behind him.

  so it's a wash. would you draft a qb if you were the rams?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  derek bomar;1013062 wrote:so it's a wash. would you draft a qb if you were the rams?

  At this point they can't give up on Bradford. Its too early and has promise/potential. Have to keep him upright and see what he can do next season. Now next season you're not seeing growth and he's getting pummeled its a different story.
  
  It sucks that the rams are in this situation, but they commited way too much money to the kid to dump him now and go with another QB. The browns on the other hand, don't have this issue. Colt IMO doesn't have the potential that bradford does.
• OhioStatePride2003

  But what about this? What if St. Louis gets a new head coach? (They were talking about it on MNF.) They could decide that Bradford isn't the QB they want, and look to trade him. St. Louis is likely to have a Top 5 pick, and could go after one of the 3 QBs? (Luck, Barkley, RGIII) I bet anything the Browns are in on that deal, if it were to happen of course.
• derek bomar

  

  Commander of Awesome;1013077 wrote:At this point they can't give up on Bradford. Its too early and has promise/potential. Have to keep him upright and see what he can do next season. Now next season you're not seeing growth and he's getting pummeled its a different story.
  
  It sucks that the rams are in this situation, but they commited way too much money to the kid to dump him now and go with another QB. The browns on the other hand, don't have this issue. Colt IMO doesn't have the potential that bradford does.

  Would you take Bradford off the Rams hands if you were the Brownies?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  If he was willing to restructure his current contract I would definitely think hard about it. Depends on what our other options were. If we're out of the Luck/Barkley race and no other options were available it would be very enticing.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Also if we don't upgrade the rest of our team, aka get him someone to throw to, not sure what the point would be. A young QB needs some playmakers around him and the Browns currently don't have one.
• Mulva

  

  Bradford has been really bad this year, but I think he showed more flashes and upside last season than McCoy has. Same thing with Josh Freeman (although he's in his 3rd year, not his 2nd). Plus, Bradford's contract makes it a lot more difficult to give up on him.
  
  If I was the Rams I would give him 1 more season, but if he doesn't show significant strides next year I would be looking at other options.
• IggyPride00

  

  The McCoy concussion fiasco is becoming a huge embarrassment to the franchise right now.
  
  While not directly Shurmur's fault, it just drove home how in over his head and clueless he is out there. He is just not ready for this gig.
  
  Yahoo sports is reporting he could in fact be on the hot seat heading into next year if things don't drastically turn around because he has shown no growth this year, and looks as lost in week 13 as he did week 1.
  
  A mind blowing stat I heard on Rizzo's show this morning is that the Browns have not scored a 3rd quarter touchdown this season. We have 6 field goals in 13 games in the 3rd quarter and no TD's.
  
  That right there tells anyone everything they would need to know about Pat Shurmurs competence to be a head coach. He clearly can't make adjustments at halftime, and you just can't win in the NFL with that level of ineptitude at the top. It is mind blowing.
• BR1986FB

  IggyPride00;1013612 wrote:The McCoy concussion fiasco is becoming a huge embarrassment to the franchise right now.
  
  While not directly Shurmur's fault, it just drove home how in over his head and clueless he is out there. He is just not ready for this gig.
  
  Yahoo sports is reporting he could in fact be on the hot seat heading into next year if things don't drastically turn around because he has shown no growth this year, and looks as lost in week 13 as he did week 1.
  
  A mind blowing stat I heard on Rizzo's show this morning is that the Browns have not scored a 3rd quarter touchdown this season. We have 6 field goals in 13 games in the 3rd quarter and no TD's.
  
  That right there tells anyone everything they would need to know about Pat Shurmurs competence to be a head coach. He clearly can't make adjustments at halftime, and you just can't win in the NFL with that level of ineptitude at the top. It is mind blowing.

  Who would they replace him with?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  BTW, I just saw that Brandon McDonald was released by Detroit on Friday. Not sure how I missed it or if it was discussed on here. Let me be the first to say, "LMAO!" Serves him right dipshit never learned how to tackle.