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Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread

  • Crimson streak
    DeyDurkie5;1003233 wrote:yeah, shurmur at offensive coordinator seems like a winning move

    He obviously wouldn't call plays holmgren would
  • BR1986FB
    sleeper;1003155 wrote:I still think the biggest need is top tier linebacker. Look at what guys like Von Miller and the guy from San Francisco can do for a defense. The browns get that, and our defense is golden.
    This.

    If they put two very strong linebackers to go with DQ behind that front 4, we won't be talking about the Rats going for 290 yards on the ground. For some reason, along with QB, this franchise has never really "gotten it" that they need game changing, impact LB's. Heckert also needs to swallow his pride and make Gocong depth.

    And I disagree on Burfict. If he keeps his nose clean off the field, I'm cool with him on the field as long as he's not intentionally trying to end careers.
  • Commander of Awesome
    BR1986FB;1003300 wrote:as long as he's not intentionally trying to end careers.
    I can think of a few exceptions.
  • BR1986FB
    Seriously though, imagine the Browns front 4 with LB's like the Rats or Steelers back there? Humor me, I know the schemes are different but don't you think the run D would be just a tad better?
  • like_that
    Just got done reading this month ESPN the Mag. It was an interview issue this month. One of the interview was with Ed Reed. Here are a couple questions:

    Q: Who are the toughest QBs to read in the NFL?
    Reed: Peyton, Brady, and Rivers

    Q:The easiest?
    Reed: Younger guys, and most of the Cleveland QBs.

    smh.
  • BR1986FB
    like_that;1003417 wrote:Q:The easiest?
    Reed: Younger guys, and most of the Cleveland QBs.

    smh.
    Don't think that was a jab against the Browns as much as he has more INT's against them than any other team. Either way, the Browns QB's have sucked.
  • OQB
    If the season ended today, the Browns would have the seventh overall pick.

    This is familiar territory for Cleveland. In 13 drafts since returning to the NFL as an expansion team, the Browns have had a top-10 pick nine times. It happened in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011.
  • Footwedge
    Brown number one need....wide receivers. Use your pick AND the Atlanta pick to fill a need that's been here forever. thenpay a qualified offensive coordinator 50 million a year.

    In the second round, draft a corner, linebacker or an offenstive tackle.

    We might lose 12 games next year....but the games would be 35-34 instead of these snoozers.
  • BR1986FB
    Footwedge;1003780 wrote:Brown number one need....wide receivers. Use your pick AND the Atlanta pick to fill a need that's been here forever. thenpay a qualified offensive coordinator 50 million a year.

    In the second round, draft a corner, linebacker or an offenstive tackle.

    We might lose 12 games next year....but the games would be 35-34 instead of these snoozers.
    Still need a QB. Checkdown Charlie isn't going to cut it.
  • BR1986FB
    OQB;1003650 wrote:If the season ended today, the Browns would have the seventh overall pick.

    This is familiar territory for Cleveland. In 13 drafts since returning to the NFL as an expansion team, the Browns have had a top-10 pick nine times. It happened in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010 and 2011.
    Guy on the OBR did some fancy calculations and has the Browns picking 6th, currently, with the opportunity to jump to 4th if they lose out behind Indy, MINN & St Louis. If this happens, it's going to be interesting to see if they pass on a QB at #4.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Even at #4 I'm not sure its low enough for Barkley as I would imagine many teams would be willing to trade up.
  • IggyPride00
    Footwedge;1003780 wrote:Brown number one need....wide receivers. Use your pick AND the Atlanta pick to fill a need that's been here forever. thenpay a qualified offensive coordinator 50 million a year.

    In the second round, draft a corner, linebacker or an offenstive tackle.

    We might lose 12 games next year....but the games would be 35-34 instead of these snoozers.
    You think a Pat Shurmur led offense will ever be scoring 34 points in a game?

    That has happened exactly once in the 3 seasons he has been responsible for calling plays in the NFL.

    He would struggle to break 30 coaching a pee-wee football team.
  • BR1986FB
    Mind the gap? Not Joe: Left tackle Joe Thomas disagreed with Josh Cribbs' postgame assessment that there's "a big gap" between the Browns and Ravens.

    "That's one player's opinion," said Thomas. "I tend to disagree with that. I think we're just as talented as any team that we face and I think the bottom line is that it comes down to execution and who's going to execute on gameday."

    Cornerback Sheldon Brown says "it's a copout" to use lack of talent as an excuse for a 4-8 record.
    "We get paid to do a job," he said. "If you made it to this level, you have talent. It's time to look yourself in the mirror and say 'go out and do your job.'"

    Brown said everyone needs to step it up a notch.
    "At this given moment, I wouldn't say everyone is playing as good as they can," he said. "The teams that win, the more consistent football, they execute a majority of the time."


    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/receivers_are_the_nfls_best_--.html

    Seems like Cribbs is kinda throwing his teammates under the bus but I agree with the "lack of talent" comment. Perhaps Josh is trying to buy his ticket out of Cleveland?
  • Commander of Awesome
    I think Cribbs is playing his way out of cleveland. I wouldnt be surprised if he was gone next season.
  • BR1986FB
    Commander of Awesome;1004034 wrote:I think Cribbs is playing his way out of cleveland. I wouldnt be surprised if he was gone next season.
    He hasn't really done anything of value (in his specialty area) in two years.
  • sleeper
    BR1986FB;1003815 wrote:Still need a QB. Checkdown Charlie isn't going to cut it.
    I agree. I'd much rather have a strong top tier QB than any top tier WR. Look at what Peyton can do with average WRs.

    I wouldn't mind at all getting Barkley this year in the draft. Trade up if needed, but let's solve a problem instead of drafting a WR that won't have anyone to throw them the ball.
  • BR1986FB
    sleeper;1004047 wrote:I agree. I'd much rather have a strong top tier QB than any top tier WR. Look at what Peyton can do with average WRs.

    I wouldn't mind at all getting Barkley this year in the draft. Trade up if needed, but let's solve a problem instead of drafting a WR that won't have anyone to throw them the ball.
    I really wanted McCoy to succeed and I do feel that he's "tough" and a "leader" but just don't think he has the physical tools to get this team to where it wants to be. I don't think he can make all of the throws necessary.

    This is supposed to be a "QB strong" draft so they might as well bite the bullet. Besides, as someone else (think it was durkie) pointed out, I don't think that McCoy is Shurmur's preferred choice at QB.
  • Sonofanump
    BR1986FB;1004056 wrote: I don't think that McCoy is Shurmur's preferred choice at QB.
    Does not appear that Shurmur is the fans choice right now.
  • DeyDurkie5
    BR1986FB;1004056 wrote:I really wanted McCoy to succeed and I do feel that he's "tough" and a "leader" but just don't think he has the physical tools to get this team to where it wants to be. I don't think he can make all of the throws necessary.

    This is supposed to be a "QB strong" draft so they might as well bite the bullet. Besides, as someone else (think it was durkie) pointed out, I don't think that McCoy is Shurmur's preferred choice at QB.
    I mean if you really look at it, everyone sees the execution that happens when they run the hurry up. If shurmur truly wanted to win now, why wouldn't he go with that? It's what mccoy has been most successfull in, and just seems to me that shurmur is done with this. That or he really does just have no offensive play calling ability.
  • BR1986FB
    Sonofanump;1004088 wrote:Does not appear that Shurmur is the fans choice right now.
    Agreed. The whole regime is pretty arrogant. It's as if their attitude is "we don't have to explain, just shut your mouth and keep shelling out $200 for tickets and buy your $8 beers."
  • BR1986FB
    DeyDurkie5;1004094 wrote:I mean if you really look at it, everyone sees the execution that happens when they run the hurry up. If shurmur truly wanted to win now, why wouldn't he go with that? It's what mccoy has been most successfull in, and just seems to me that shurmur is done with this. That or he really does just have no offensive play calling ability.
    Like I said before "see John Fox with Tebow."
  • DeyDurkie5
    BR1986FB;1004101 wrote:Like I said before "see John Fox with Tebow."
    exactly. shumur is either shellin out bullshit, or is just a really bad coach.
  • BR1986FB
    DeyDurkie5;1004204 wrote:exactly. shumur is either shellin out bullshit, or is just a really bad coach.
    With the sneaky mofo's and poor coaches they've had since 1999, it's probably both. :(
  • IggyPride00
    DeyDurkie5;1004204 wrote:exactly. shumur is either shellin out bull****, or is just a really bad coach.
    That is why his bullshit is wearing so thin in Cleveland and people don't want to hear it.

    Harbaugh turned around a shitty team quickly. Fox has taken a shitty team with a non-conventional QB and molded his system to fit the strengths he has to win games.

    Shurmur on the other hand is so ideologically rigid about his system that he makes no effort to adjust when he has a square peg to fill a round hole with.

    The normal new coach excuses are hog wash because around the league there are a host of coaches in similar shitty situations coaching their ass off working with what they have instead of pouting with a poopy face about what they don't like Shurmur does.
  • OQB
    BR1986FB;1003815 wrote:Still need a QB. Checkdown Charlie isn't going to cut it.
    Absolutely!
    BR1986FB;1003873 wrote:Guy on the OBR did some fancy calculations and has the Browns picking 6th, currently, with the opportunity to jump to 4th if they lose out behind Indy, MINN & St Louis. If this happens, it's going to be interesting to see if they pass on a QB at #4.
    I hope he is right.
    Commander of Awesome;1003890 wrote:Even at #4 I'm not sure its low enough for Barkley as I would imagine many teams would be willing to trade up.
    We would be the team to trade out of that pick to get more picks.....
    IggyPride00;1003926 wrote:You think a Pat Shurmur led offense will ever be scoring 34 points in a game?

    That has happened exactly once in the 3 seasons he has been responsible for calling plays in the NFL.

    He would struggle to break 30 coaching a pee-wee football team.
    Terrible.:mad:
    BR1986FB;1004019 wrote:Mind the gap? Not Joe: Left tackle Joe Thomas disagreed with Josh Cribbs' postgame assessment that there's "a big gap" between the Browns and Ravens.

    "That's one player's opinion," said Thomas. "I tend to disagree with that. I think we're just as talented as any team that we face and I think the bottom line is that it comes down to execution and who's going to execute on gameday."

    Cornerback Sheldon Brown says "it's a copout" to use lack of talent as an excuse for a 4-8 record.
    "We get paid to do a job," he said. "If you made it to this level, you have talent. It's time to look yourself in the mirror and say 'go out and do your job.'"

    Brown said everyone needs to step it up a notch.
    "At this given moment, I wouldn't say everyone is playing as good as they can," he said. "The teams that win, the more consistent football, they execute a majority of the time."


    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/receivers_are_the_nfls_best_--.html

    Seems like Cribbs is kinda throwing his teammates under the bus but I agree with the "lack of talent" comment. Perhaps Josh is trying to buy his ticket out of Cleveland?
    I love those comments by Thomas and Brown (although Brown is terrible now)
    Commander of Awesome;1004034 wrote:I think Cribbs is playing his way out of cleveland. I wouldnt be surprised if he was gone next season.
    I wouldn't mind seeing him leave, he hasn't done a darn thing the past 2 years. Pay the man! :rolleyes:
    sleeper;1004047 wrote:I agree. I'd much rather have a strong top tier QB than any top tier WR. Look at what Peyton can do with average WRs.

    I wouldn't mind at all getting Barkley this year in the draft. Trade up if needed, but let's solve a problem instead of drafting a WR that won't have anyone to throw them the ball.
    You gotta have those great QB's to turn a franchise around....
    BR1986FB;1004056 wrote:I really wanted McCoy to succeed and I do feel that he's "tough" and a "leader" but just don't think he has the physical tools to get this team to where it wants to be. I don't think he can make all of the throws necessary.

    This is supposed to be a "QB strong" draft so they might as well bite the bullet. Besides, as someone else (think it was durkie) pointed out, I don't think that McCoy is Shurmur's preferred choice at QB.
    Agreed!
    Sonofanump;1004088 wrote:Does not appear that Shurmur is the fans choice right now.
    He's an idiot.....
    BR1986FB;1004098 wrote:Agreed. The whole regime is pretty arrogant. It's as if their attitude is "we don't have to explain, just shut your mouth and keep shelling out $200 for tickets and buy your $8 beers."
    Excellent point, so true!
    BR1986FB;1004101 wrote:Like I said before "see John Fox with Tebow."
    Amazing what those two are doing in Denver....kind of makes me sick to think about.
    IggyPride00;1004219 wrote:That is why his bullshit is wearing so thin in Cleveland and people don't want to hear it.

    Harbaugh turned around a shitty team quickly. Fox has taken a shitty team with a non-conventional QB and molded his system to fit the strengths he has to win games.

    Shurmur on the other hand is so ideologically rigid about his system that he makes no effort to adjust when he has a square peg to fill a round hole with.

    The normal new coach excuses are hog wash because around the league there are a host of coaches in similar shitty situations coaching their ass off working with what they have instead of pouting with a poopy face about what they don't like Shurmur does.
    good point!