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Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread

  • BR1986FB
    OQB;975887 wrote:Good post.....I guess the basis of my post was not to spend the 2 first round picks on a rb.
    Again, if you have a chance to take an Adrian Peterson/(young) LT-type of RB with that first pick do you pull the trigger? I'm just throwing this out there because, truth be told, I want a QB (Barkley, right now) with that first pick if they are selecting top 3.
  • Crimson streak
    BR1986FB;976048 wrote:Again, if you have a chance to take an Adrian Peterson/(young) LT-type of RB with that first pick do you pull the trigger? I'm just throwing this out there because, truth be told, I want a QB (Barkley, right now) with that first pick if they are selecting top 3.

    +1 I absolutely hate USC but man Barkley is going to be damn good in the nfl
  • BR1986FB
    Crimson streak;976225 wrote:+1 I absolutely hate USC but man Barkley is going to be damn good in the nfl
    I'm just sick & tired of "dumb as a box of rocks" or "can't make all of the throws" QB's with this team. Bite the bullet & fix it.

    Sure, I'd love to see them surround McCoy with playmakers but I just get the feeling he's going to be a career mediocre/serviceable QB. Not a QB that will take you deep into the playoffs or get you to a Super Bowl.

    I don't see too many more "Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer/Ben Roethlisberger( Seahawks SB) game managers" that are going to win SB's with shutdown defenses and a running game. You NEED that stud QB.
  • like_that
    BR1986FB;976240 wrote:I'm just sick & tired of "dumb as a box of rocks" or "can't make all of the throws" QB's with this team. Bite the bullet & fix it.

    Sure, I'd love to see them surround McCoy with playmakers but I just get the feeling he's going to be a career mediocre/serviceable QB. Not a QB that will take you deep into the playoffs or get you to a Super Bowl.

    I don't see too many more "Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer/Ben Roethlisberger( Seahawks SB) game managers" that are going to win SB's with shutdown defenses and a running game. You NEED that stud QB.
    Texans were on their way with Schaub imo.
  • BR1986FB
    like_that;976245 wrote:Texans were on their way with Schaub imo.
    Schaub was on pace for his third straight 4000 yard passing season. He can't be compared to those other three and the stats they put up.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
  • BR1986FB
    Looks familiar....:laugh:
  • shook_17
    haha. that was funny as hell.


    is hardesty going to play this weekend or is he going to be a bitch like hillis
  • Commander of Awesome
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock


    Round 1
    1. Indianapolis Colts
    Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford: Some have made the argument that the fact that the Colts are winless without Peyton Manning and viewed as a Super Bowl contender with him only reinforces his brilliance. While the argument might have merit, it doesn't change the fact that Manning will be 36 next season and coming off several neck surgeries. Bill Polian won't allow loyalty to Manning to keep him from doing what is best for the Colts moving forward -- and what's best is drafting Luck first and deciding what to do with his two franchise quarterbacks later.

    2. Miami Dolphins
    Matt Barkley, QB, Southern California: The surprising victory in Arrowhead Stadium over the Chiefs only proved what has been obvious to anyone paying attention to the Dolphins (all four of us) this season - that this is a pretty talented team that simply hasn't figured out yet how to win. Some would argue that is the skill that makes Barkley an elite prospect.

    3. St. Louis Rams
    Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State: The Rams invested heavily this past season in wide receivers to develop with young star quarterback Sam Bradford. If Billy Delaney is once again picking in the top five, however, that plan hasn't worked. As such, it would be tough to pass on the playmaking Blackmon.

    4. Carolina Panthers
    Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina: Fielding one of the league's most porous run defenses, the Panthers could elect to stay close to home and draft Coples to help fill the gaps. Primarily playing defensive end this season for the Tar Heels, Coples has been unable to take advantage of the momentum he'd made last season while playing inside. In the NFL, he'll likely be asked to move back inside.

    5. Minnesota Vikings
    Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU: Prior to his arrest for domestic assault, former second-round pick Chris Cook had been playing well for the Vikings. With his situation up in the air and depth behind him a concern, Minnesota would be wise to look at replacement options. Claiborne has been the most impressive corner in the country in 2011 and is quickly rising up draft boards.

    6. Washington Redskins
    Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: The Redskins would love to see Luck or Barkley still on the board, as both possess the mobility and accuracy to be very successful in the Shanahan's offense. Richardson, arguably the best player in the draft not named Luck, is a heckuva consolation prize.

    7. Cleveland Browns
    Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California: The Browns are set at left tackle with Joe Thomas, but have struggled to get consistent play from veterans Tony Pashos and Oniel Cousins on the right side. Kalil is gaining a reputation for lax technique, but that is only because he's able to dominate at the collegiate level due to his natural ability.

    8. Jacksonville Jaguars
    Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame: The Jaguars need help at wide receiver. Bringing back Mike Sims-Walker (before placing him on Injured Reserve) only reinforced this fact. Floyd is being rated by some scouts as the elite senior prospect in the country. He'd give 2011 first round pick Blaine Gabbert a needed weapon.

    9. Seattle Seahawks
    Devon Still, DT, Penn State: Still has been as dominant as any defensive lineman in the country, but the inconsistency and durability concerns that haunted his early career could limit how high he will rise on draft day. Big, strong and capable of playing either defensive tackle position or backing up Red Bryant at left defensive end, Still would make sense if the top quarterbacks are off the board

    10. Philadelphia Eagles
    Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina: The Eagles' much-maligned linebacking corps could use an infusion of athleticism and playmaking skills. I'm not as high on Brown as some seem to be, but there is no denying that he possesses a great deal of upside.

    11. Arizona Cardinals
    Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa: Kevin Kolb has been a disappointment in his first season as the Cardinals' starting quarterback, but the team isn't likely to panic after just one year. Rather, the team would be wise to protect him with better blindside protection. Reiff, a left tackle for Iowa, has the size, technique and physicality to contribute early.

    12. Kansas City Chiefs
    Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford: With injuries robbing Kansas City of three of their best players (Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Tony Moeaki) early this season, the team has struggled to play with any consistency. How these players appear to be proceeding in their rehabilitation may go a long way in determining what direction GM Scott Pioli will look with his 2012 first round pick. As it stands now, Martin would make a great deal of sense as he'll provide aid to an average offensive line and is the best player available.

    13. Denver Broncos
    Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma: Should the Broncos continue to win with Tim Tebow they could elect to spend this pick differently. If picking in the top half of the draft, however, John Elway and John Fox aren't likely to pass on a quarterback with Jones' natural passing talents.

    14. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama: Only four teams are allowing more passing yards per game than the Buccaneers (263 yards). Kirkpatrick's inconsistent technique worries some scouts, but his size, athleticism and physicality could eventually make him the best cornerback to come out of this draft. At this point in the draft, he'd be a steal.

    15. San Diego Chargers
    Orson Charles, TE, Georgia: Newsflash - the Chargers feature arguably the league's elite tight end in Antonio Gates. Gates' inability to remain healthy, however, too often puts San Diego in a precarious position. While smaller than most teams prefer, the 6-3, 245-pound Charles is a matchup nightmare with surprising prowess as a blocker.

    16. Tennessee Titans
    Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson: The Titans feature one of the NFL's best athletic talents in tight end Jared Cook, but injuries and inconsistency haven't allowed the former South Carolina standout to become the star Tennessee expected. With young receivers stepping up and their quarterback of the future already secured in Jake Locker, the club might be interested in adding another threat down the seam to aid in the offense's transition. Allen (6-4, 255) is viewed by some scouts to be the most complete tight end in the country.

    17. Buffalo Bills
    Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame: The surprising play of Buffalo's offense has helped hide what remains one of the league's leakiest run defenses. Last season Buffalo finished dead last and this year they've been only slightly better. The physical and instinctive Te'o could help remedy that.

    18. NY Jets
    David DeCastro, OG, Stanford: The Jets have been one of the league's better running teams since Rex Ryan took over, but they are struggling so far this season. DeCastro doesn't have much name recognition yet, but is viewed by some as the elite interior offensive lineman in the country.

    19. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta)
    Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska: The Browns feature one of the league's better young cover corners in Joe Haden, but have been inconsistent, at best, on the other side. Dennard lacks the height scouts prefer, but is a physical press corner who could provide the Browns' with an athlete equally capable of providing lockdown coverage as Haden.

    20. Dallas Cowboys
    Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State: The Cowboys' defense has made gains under Rob Ryan, but inconsistencies up front have led to plenty of breakdowns in coverage on the back end. With longer arms than most 6-3, 305-pounders, Worthy could contribute at end or nose guard in Dallas' 3-4 alignment.

    21. Cincinnati Bengals
    Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia: The Bengals have their young quarterback and boast talent along their offensive line, especially at tackle. Glenn's size and power makes a lot of sense in Cincinnati's downhill running attack.

    22. Detroit Lions
    Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama: With all of the focus on Ndamukong Suh and the Lions' talented defensive line (not to mention Calvin Johnson and Detroit's explosive offense), not enough credit for the team's turnaround has gone to the improved play of their secondary. Rivals, however, think that Detroit is doing it with smoke and mirrors and will almost surely look to address the secondary in the draft. Jenkins has top 20 talent, but his off-field problems could cause him to slip. The Lions were lauded for snatching up Nick Fairley when he dropped last year and could get better immediate dividends from the playmaking Jenkins.

    23. Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland)
    Lamar Miller, RB, Miami (Fla.): If there is a running back in the country capable of leaping into the first round to join Alabama's Trent Richardson, it is likely this redshirt sophomore. Possessing big-play speed to go with his 5-11, 212-pound frame, Miller could prove to be a difference-maker and insurance for the Bengals behind the bruising Cedric Benson.

    24. Chicago Bears
    Mark Barron, SS, Alabama: The Bears have shuffled through several veterans at safety this season and surprisingly enough are getting the most consistent play out of rookie Chris Conte, a third-round pick out of California. Conte's range makes him a natural free safety. Barron, more of a downhill thumper, would be a solid complement in Chicago.

    25. Houston Texans
    Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis

    26. NY Giants
    Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College

    27. New England Patriots
    Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama

    28. New England Patriots (from New Orleans)
    Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
    29. Baltimore Ravens
    Kelechi Osemele, OG, Iowa State

    30. San Francisco 49ers
    Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers

    31. Pittsburgh Steelers
    Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State:

    32. Green Bay Packers
    Billy Winn, DE, Boise State:
  • OQB
    BR1986FB;976048 wrote:Again, if you have a chance to take an Adrian Peterson/(young) LT-type of RB with that first pick do you pull the trigger? I'm just throwing this out there because, truth be told, I want a QB (Barkley, right now) with that first pick if they are selecting top 3.
    I completely agree with this! Barkely is going to be a dandy in the NFL.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    BR, I understand and agree with your point about drafting a Peterson or a Tomlinson....but Trent Richardson is not as good as those backs. The truth is that you can find stud running backs late in the draft or undrafted (Arian Foster, Fred Jackson) as long as you have a good line. Not to mention that if you look at the past however many Super Bowl winners, most of them have pretty mediocre running backs.

    Not to mention the Browns clearly don't believe this philosophy as they PASSED on LT to take Gerard fucking Warren.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    OQB;976371 wrote:I completely agree with this! Barkely is going to be a dandy in the NFL.
    Mediocre arm + never playing in bad weather in his life=bad fit for the Browns. RGIII all day
  • Commander of Awesome
    lol get over RGIII. He's going to suck in the pros Akli Smith part 2
  • BR1986FB
    shook_17;976338 wrote:is hardesty going to play this weekend or is he going to be a bitch like hillis
    FWIW...

    http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/hardesty-continues-to-work-his-way-back/#.TsVK7qps6gc.facebook
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    Commander of Awesome;976386 wrote:lol get over RGIII. He's going to suck in the pros Akli Smith part 2
    lol, why because he's black? Otherwise I can see zero similarities between Griffin and Smith from a football sense. The guy has a rocket arm and is a playmaker. Something the Browns have lacked at that position for quite some time.
  • Mulva
    Griffin has indicated he might return to school for his senior year. And it doesn't sound like that would surprise anyone who knows him if he did.
  • Commander of Awesome
    I disagree with both of your assessments. I don't see a rocket arm, and not sure what a play maker means. I also hate running QBs, and he's smaller than Barkley. Also you talked about Barkley (the VASTLY superior prospect) having not played in bad weather, well excuse while I lol when you then use a guy from Texas as your example.
  • TigerNation10
    Y-Town Steelhound;976384 wrote:Mediocre arm + never playing in bad weather in his life=bad fit for the Browns. RGIII all day
    Except for 2 weeks ago at Colorado. 39 degrees and 318 YDS and 6 TDS
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    Commander of Awesome;976411 wrote:I disagree with both of your assessments. I don't see a rocket arm, and not sure what a play maker means. I also hate running QBs, and he's smaller than Colt. Also you talked about Barkley (the VASTLY superior prospect) having not played in bad weather, well excuse while I lol when you then use a guy from Texas as your example.
    I suggest you do some research before you make yourself look like an ass. He's not smaller than Colt, in fact he's 2-3 inches TALLER. As for his arm, well I'll let the educated people on this site judge for themselves. Here's one of many examples of his arm strength: [video=youtube;7277gnKV1g8][/video]

    Now I might be crazy but a 50 yard frozen rope via a perfect spiral hitting the receiver in stride would indicate the quarterback indeed has a strong arm. This guy can make EVERY throw on the field, he throws 20 yard outs with perfect precision. He's the same size as Barkley, has a stronger arm, has more mobility, and is used to playing with inferior talent around him (something he would have to deal with playing for the Browns). As for the cold weather thing, it only seems to be a factor when the quarterback has a weak to average arm. When they have a strong arm (see California native Aaron Rodgers, or Mississippi native Brett Favre) it becomes less of an issue. I questioned McCoy because he has an average to below average arm and is from Texas. Griffin has a much stronger arm then he or Barkley.

    You may not like running qbs, but this guy is the next Steve McNair.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    TigerNation10;976416 wrote:Except for 2 weeks ago at Colorado. 39 degrees and 318 YDS and 6 TDS
    Barkley is a good prospect no doubt. I was amazed at the poise he showed back as a freshman playing against a hostile OSU crowd in Columbus. He has a record of performing pretty well in big games. I just think he'll be gone by the time the Browns pick anyways and I think Griffin is going to be a better NFL qb.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    Mulva;976409 wrote:Griffin has indicated he might return to school for his senior year. And it doesn't sound like that would surprise anyone who knows him if he did.
    Probably a good idea for him considering he might be the #1 QB taken in next year's draft if he were to have another strong season.
  • Commander of Awesome
    It was a typo, I meant to say Barkley. I edited it. RG3 is listed as 6'2" but most draft sites say they'll be surprised if he's any taller than 6' on the dot at the combine.
  • OQB
    When I think of RGIII I don't think NFL QB.....
  • Commander of Awesome
    OQB;976440 wrote:When I think of RGIII I don't think NFL QB.....
    Neither do I. He might not have elite talent around him but he doesn't play elite college teams either.