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Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread

  • Nate
    YEAR NAME GRADE 2010 Sam Bradford Too Early 2010 Tim Tebow Too Early 2009 Matthew Stafford Servicable 2009 Mark Sanchez Servicable 2009 Josh Freeman Servicable 2008 Matt Ryan Above Average 2008 Joe Flacco Above Average 2007 JaMarcus Russell Bust 2007 Brady Quinn Bust 2006 Vince Young Above Average 2006 Matt Leinart Bust 2006 Jay Cutler Above Average 2005 Alex Smith Bust 2005 Aaron Rodgers Elite 2005 Jason Campbell Servicable 2004 Eli Manning Above Average 2004 Philip Rivers Elite 2004 Ben Roethlisberger Elite 2004 J.P. Losman Bust 2003 Carson Palmer Above Average 2003 Byron Leftwich Servicable 2003 Kyle Boller Bust 2003 Rex Grossman Bust 2002 David Carr Bust 2002 Joey Harrington Bust 2002 Patrick Ramsey Bust 2001 Michael Vick Elite 2000 Chad Pennington Servicable 1999 Tim Couch Bust 1999 Donovan McNabb Elite 1999 Akili Smith Bust 1999 Daunte Culpepper Above Average 1999 Cade McNown Bust 1998 Peyton Manning Elite 1998 Ryan Leaf Bust 1997 Jim Druckenmiller Bust 1995 Steve McNair Above Average 1995 Kerry Collins Above Average 1994 Heath Shuler Bust 1994 Trent Dilfer Servicable 1993 Drew Bledsoe Elite 1993 Rick Mirer Servicable 1992 David Klingler Bust 1992 Tommy Maddox Servicable 1991 Dan McGwire Servicable 1991 Todd Marinovich Bust 1990 Jeff George above Average 1990 Andre Ware Bust
  • thedynasty1998
    DeyDurkie5;642843 wrote:looking at that draft, what the fuck were we thinking? we chose robiskie, massoquoi, and veikune? We had three fucking picks in the second round, and couldn't muster at least someone who could produce?

    Let's not pretend like Alex Mack was a gem of a pick.

    Look at the guys immediately following:
    Harvin, Oher and then Clay Mathews a few later.
  • Commander of Awesome
    thedynasty1998;642847 wrote:Who knows? How good would Aaron Rodgers be in Cleveland? No one can predict that.

    However, Cleveland passed on a franchise QB, to draft Mack. Would Sanchez have worked out? Maybe, maybe no. It's just hard to to imagine what their thought process was.

    And yes, he's been inconsistent. But he's at least been good at times. What can we say about the Browns QB's? That they have shown the potential to be average?

    Obviously you can't redo it now, but I just hope that they don't make the same mistake again. Ideally, they would trade down, pick up another pick and get a QB later in the draft, but that's just my opinion. I know it's not shared by all.
    thedynasty1998;642853 wrote:Let's not pretend like Alex Mack was a gem of a pick.

    Look at the guys immediately following:
    Harvin, Oher and then Clay Mathews a few later.
    Wow, no one else is going to take the opportunity to PWN this moron here? He says Sanchez is a franchise QB, Mack isn't a good player, and that Rodgers wouldn't be a good player here. SMH.

    IPOTW. Keep it up dynasty, you might be making head way towards the top of the list.
  • SportsAndLady
    Dynasty have you ever watched the Browns play? lol

    To say that Alex Mack was not a good pick is asinine.

    People throw around this "franchise QB" bullshit like it means anything. Aren't all QBs franchise QBs since technically they are a QB of the franchise? The only adjective that can be placed before "QB" is "super bowl winning"
  • sleeper
    It's not a knock on Mallet, but the Browns are in more need of an impact WR or DE than anything else. We're still unsure of McCoy and his ability to win CHAMPIONSHIPS, but one thing is for sure, we don't have a legitimate WR to throw to anyway.
  • DaBrowns41
    I can't stress offensive and defensive schemes enough.

    Mallett- Big arm, deep thrower, lacks short/intermediate accuracy.

    West Coast Offense (Cleveland's offense)- Horizontal offense, utilizes slants, hitches, outs, crossing patterns, mostly. Emphasizes heavy use of short/intermediate routes.

    It doesn't fit.

    So unless we want to do an offensive overhaul, and try and set us back another 4 years, I'd stick with Colt.
  • Jester
    For the most part, a quarterback is only as good as his offensive linemen allow him to be. While not a "flashy" pick, anyone that thinks Mack wasn't a good pick doesn't quite understand football. He's started since day 1. You win and lose games in the trenches. The better the linemen, the better said team performs.
  • Commander of Awesome
    lol at the pwning of dynasty. Not sure who the biggest cleveland troll on this board is, but he is def the biggest passive aggressive one.
  • Commander of Awesome
    http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/20160/20110118/2011_nfl_mock_draft_version_50_%28trade_edition%29/

    On a Browns note, I like the first pick, have no clue who the guy he has us taking in the second round is. Anyone weigh in on him for me?
  • DeyDurkie5
    Commander of Awesome;643014 wrote:http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/20160/20110118/2011_nfl_mock_draft_version_50_%28trade_edition%29/

    On a Browns note, I like the first pick, have no clue who the guy he has us taking in the second round is. Anyone weigh in on him for me?

    I reallly, really, really, really want AJ green
  • thedynasty1998
    1. I never said that Rodgers wouldn't be good in Cleveland. Someone said it would be hard to predict Sanchez would be good with the Browns offensive line, and I said that it's hard to predict how anyone would perform in a different situation. You can only judge guys off of their performance on the field in their current situations.

    2. I never said Alex Mack was a bad pick. I said it wasn't a good pick. I think he's a good player, but IMO you don't take a center in the first round when you have so many other needs. I listed three guys who were drafted right after him who would have made more sense (I know Oher is a LT and you have Thomas, but move him to RT and you have two anchors on the edges).

    3. To argue Mark Sanchez isn't a franchise QB, or that he isn't good, is fucking stupid. He's not elite, but he's definitely a franchise QB and has produced in the playoffs in just two years. It's laughable to discredit his production as a franchise QB.
  • DeyDurkie5
    thedynasty1998;643028 wrote:1. I never said that Rodgers wouldn't be good in Cleveland. Someone said it would be hard to predict Sanchez would be good with the Browns offensive line, and I said that it's hard to predict how anyone would perform in a different situation. You can only judge guys off of their performance on the field in their current situations.

    2. I never said Alex Mack was a bad pick. I said it wasn't a good pick. I think he's a good player, but IMO you don't take a center in the first round when you have so many other needs. I listed three guys who were drafted right after him who would have made more sense (I know Oher is a LT and you have Thomas, but move him to RT and you have two anchors on the edges).

    3. To argue Mark Sanchez isn't a franchise QB, or that he isn't good, is fucking stupid. He's not elite, but he's definitely a franchise QB and has produced in the playoffs in just two years. It's laughable to discredit his production as a franchise QB.

    dude, say starting qb...mark brunell is a franchise qb as well
  • thedynasty1998
    thedynasty1998;642853 wrote:Let's not pretend like Alex Mack was a gem of a pick.
    SportsAndLady;642964 wrote:To say that Alex Mack was not a good pick is asinine.

    People throw around this "franchise QB" bullshit like it means anything. Aren't all QBs franchise QBs since technically they are a QB of the franchise? The only adjective that can be placed before "QB" is "super bowl winning"

    I said he wasn't the best.

    No, a starting QB is not a franchise QB. I'd say about 2/3 of the teams in the NFL do not have "franchise QB's":
    Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland, Tennessee, Oakland, Washington, Minnesota, San Francisco and Arizona.

    Ironic that all those teams are at the bottom of their divisions.
  • thedynasty1998
    DeyDurkie5;643031 wrote:dude, say starting qb...mark brunell is a franchise qb as well

    Huh?
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    I like AJ Green but I don't think he's the best fit for this offense. His skill set seems more along the lines of a down the field threat, which isn't necessary in a west coast offense. I would rather go defense with the 1st rounder this year and next year take Justin Blackmon of Oklahoma State, who I feel is a much better fit for the Browns offense. I would rather go with Bowers, Quinn, or Patterson/Amukamara.

    Receivers are tough to judge, and taking one with a top 10 pick is always risky. For every Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald, there's a Charles Rodgers or Braylon Edwards.
  • thedynasty1998
    I like AJ Green and all, but after the last WR the Browns took out of Georgia, I'd pass on him.
  • DaBrowns41
    Commander of Awesome;643014 wrote:http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/20160/20110118/2011_nfl_mock_draft_version_50_%28trade_edition%29/

    On a Browns note, I like the first pick, have no clue who the guy he has us taking in the second round is. Anyone weigh in on him for me?

    Sheard is my sleeper to rise up as a pure pass rusher. He's been excellent for Pitt in the last two seasons. He's a great pass rusher, who's strong and versatile. He can play as a 4-3 DE, and most likely make the switch to 3-4 OLB just in case we ever switch back. He's a physical bull rusher, who keeps contain quite well and can play the run quite well.

    He has some character concerns after being arrested for throwing somebody through a window last July out of self defense.
  • DaBrowns41
    thedynasty1998;643049 wrote:I like AJ Green and all, but after the last WR the Browns took out of Georgia, I'd pass on him.

    I don't think it's fair to compare Massoquoi and Green. They are completely different players.

    Mo Mass runs bad routes, has a case of the dropsies on a regular basis, and really only has one thing going for him, and it's not even that much: His speed down field. We can't even utilize that "speed" because we are a horizontal offense going forward, and he won't be making many catches down the field. He has almost no RAC ability, and is just not very good.

    Green is much different, IMO.

    I actually just did a player profile on Green last night.

    http://nflsoup.com/?p=6729
  • Commander of Awesome
    LT and Center are THE two most important positions on the Offensive line. LOL fail for talking about a RT. You've obviously never played football at any level, I've read some arguements that Center is the most important spot on the Oline, and in the AFC north its a good argument.
  • thedynasty1998
    I think Green is a really good player, but I'm just saying that you are going to draft the same position, from the same program, coached by the same coach. I would be slightly hesitant, but I also know Holmgren wasn't here then, so it's unfair to hold that against him.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Alex Mack is also a top 5 center in this league with only Mangold and Brown (St Louis) being clearly better than him at this stage in the game. Pouncey is also a top 5 center which PAINS me to say. He's started every game in his short career, when even Matthews (which you eluded to the Browns should have drafted instead, lolfail) already has issues staying healthy. Keep digging...
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    thedynasty1998;643062 wrote:I think Green is a really good player, but I'm just saying that you are going to draft the same position, from the same program, coached by the same coach. I would be slightly hesitant, but I also know Holmgren wasn't here then, so it's unfair to hold that against him.

    Like I said, I'd rather go get a defensive stud in the first round. If the Browns want to compete with the Steelers and Ravens they need to build a defense as good as those two. If the Browns really want to draft a receiver in this draft, wait a few rounds and take Dane Sanzenbacher whose route running, hands, and quickness would be perfect for the west coast offense.
  • Commander of Awesome
    DaBrowns41;643054 wrote:Sheard is my sleeper to rise up as a pure pass rusher. He's been excellent for Pitt in the last two seasons. He's a great pass rusher, who's strong and versatile. He can play as a 4-3 DE, and most likely make the switch to 3-4 OLB just in case we ever switch back. He's a physical bull rusher, who keeps contain quite well and can play the run quite well.

    He has some character concerns after being arrested for throwing somebody through a window last July out of self defense.
    Awesome, thanks for the insight.
  • DaBrowns41
    thedynasty1998;643062 wrote:I think Green is a really good player, but I'm just saying that you are going to draft the same position, from the same program, coached by the same coach. I would be slightly hesitant, but I also know Holmgren wasn't here then, so it's unfair to hold that against him.

    Well, to be fair, Mo Mass and AJ Green had different WR coaches. :P

    It may be a moot point regardless though if Carolina or Cincinnati decides to grab him. Those are the only two teams that would take him before the Browns, IMO. Buffalo, Denver, and Arizona have reliable #1 receivers, seemingly.
  • DeyDurkie5
    thedynasty1998;643062 wrote:I think Green is a really good player, but I'm just saying that you are going to draft the same position, from the same program, coached by the same coach. I would be slightly hesitant, but I also know Holmgren wasn't here then, so it's unfair to hold that against him.

    That logic is dumb...because green went to georgia, where momass went, green is going to be bad?

    If green is avaliable, and we don't take him, i'll be extremely pissed