Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread

• Sonofanump

  OneBuckeye;641674 wrote:I think Mangina had as much to do with slowing down the offense as Daboll. I think his time was done in cleveland, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him succeed elsewhere.

  
  I disagree. I think it was the players. You have 5 different QBs in two years. Go from Lewis to Harrison to Hillis. Have whom at WR?
• OneBuckeye

  

  Sonofanump;641680 wrote:I disagree. I think it was the players. You have 5 different QBs in two years. Go from Lewis to Harrison to Hillis. Have whom at WR?

  Right that is only part of what mangina did too. He got rid of Braylon, Winslow etc... Personell was only 1 part of how mangina slowed down the O.
• Sonofanump

  OneBuckeye;641688 wrote:Right that is only part of what mangina did too. He got rid of Braylon, Winslow etc... Personell was only 1 part of how mangina slowed down the O.

  
  Gotcha, agree. I think he was trying to build a solid base before dealing with talented idiots and ran out of time.
• rydawg5

  I know im in the minority in the "Draft a QB" camp, but look at the playoffs year after year and you see year after year who is in the playoffs (the top Qbs)
  
  Sure you CAN make it with a "serviceable" QB, but you have to be SPECIAL in many other categories. Playoffs baby. Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler... I don't see any "mediocre" Qbs in this group. Sorry. Even Sanchez is pretty good.
  
  Gotta get a Mallet. Trade down if you want.
• dat dude

  rydawg5;641938 wrote:I know im in the minority in the "Draft a QB" camp, but look at the playoffs year after year and you see year after year who is in the playoffs (the top Qbs)
  
  Sure you CAN make it with a "serviceable" QB, but you have to be SPECIAL in many other categories. Playoffs baby. Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler... I don't see any "mediocre" Qbs in this group. Sorry. Even Sanchez is pretty good.
  
  Gotta get a Mallet. Trade down if you want.

  
  I was with you until you said Mallet.
• DaBrowns41

  rydawg5;641938 wrote:I know im in the minority in the "Draft a QB" camp, but look at the playoffs year after year and you see year after year who is in the playoffs (the top Qbs)
  
  Sure you CAN make it with a "serviceable" QB, but you have to be SPECIAL in many other categories. Playoffs baby. Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler... I don't see any "mediocre" Qbs in this group. Sorry. Even Sanchez is pretty good.
  
  Gotta get a Mallet. Trade down if you want.

  
  So we are going to run a WCO (horizontal) and draft Ryan Mallett (vertical QB)?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  LMAO at mallett and Sanchez. Sanchez sucks, sorry. If you watch any game and come away thinking he's good, then we're watching different tape.
• Automatik

  

  Sanchez looks great at times and awful at others.
  
  The only QB "lock" I thought in this draft was Luck and he is staying. I'm not sure how I'd feel about Mallet.
  
  Cleveland has so many holes to fill I don't think its even worth taking a QB early in this draft. I don't see anyone making an immediate impact anyway.
• wes_mantooth

  

  Automatik;641985 wrote:Sanchez looks great at times and awful at others.
  
  The only QB "lock" I thought in this draft was Luck and he is staying. I'm not sure how I'd feel about Mallet.
  
  Cleveland has so many holes to fill I don't think its even worth taking a QB early in this draft. I don't see anyone making an immediate impact anyway.

  
  Yep...to all of this post.
  
  They need either get a solid receiver via free agency or with the 1st pick. If they have to....trade back and accumulate more picks. We can not afford to miss with this draft though...very important to the future of this franchise.
• OQB

  

  rydawg5;641938 wrote:I know im in the minority in the "Draft a QB" camp, but look at the playoffs year after year and you see year after year who is in the playoffs (the top Qbs)
  
  Sure you CAN make it with a "serviceable" QB, but you have to be SPECIAL in many other categories. Playoffs baby. Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler... I don't see any "mediocre" Qbs in this group. Sorry. Even Sanchez is pretty good.
  
  Gotta get a Mallet. Trade down if you want.

  
  I was with you until you said Jay Cutler.....sure he is a good QB but nothing close to the elite guys. He just won his very first playoff game yesterday and he has been in the league how long now? Sanchez is the product of the system, great run game and defense which means the pass is going to be wide open. I agree we need another QB, because I don't think anyone is 100% sold on McCoy just yet....but I'd take McCoy over any of the QB's in this draft any day, especially Mallet.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  rydawg5;641938 wrote:I know im in the minority in the "Draft a QB" camp, but look at the playoffs year after year and you see year after year who is in the playoffs (the top Qbs)
  
  Sure you CAN make it with a "serviceable" QB, but you have to be SPECIAL in many other categories. Playoffs baby. Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler... I don't see any "mediocre" Qbs in this group. Sorry. Even Sanchez is pretty good.
  
  Gotta get a Mallet. Trade down if you want.

  
  you are just continuously wrong
• rydawg5

  OrrvilleQB;642030 wrote:I was with you until you said Jay Cutler.....sure he is a good QB but nothing close to the elite guys. He just won his very first playoff game yesterday and he has been in the league how long now? Sanchez is the product of the system, great run game and defense which means the pass is going to be wide open. I agree we need another QB, because I don't think anyone is 100% sold on McCoy just yet....but I'd take McCoy over any of the QB's in this draft any day, especially Mallet.

  
  It was just my humblest of humble of opinion. I think that Mallet will make a probowl though.
• rydawg5

  DeyDurkie5;642057 wrote:you are just continuously wrong

  
  I didn't realize you had the eye of the future and knew all... God?
• DeyDurkie5

  

  rydawg5;642059 wrote:I didn't realize you had the eye of the future and knew all... God?

  
  It's not that I know the future, it's the fact that for the first time in a while, we don't need to draft a qb and you think we do. We need to get an offensive play maker such as a number 1 receiver or we need to draft a pass rusher or a cb such as patrick peterson or amukamara. The fact you even mentioned mallet makes me laugh
• rydawg5

  DeyDurkie5;642065 wrote:It's not that I know the future, it's the fact that for the first time in a while, we don't need to draft a qb and you think we do. We need to get an offensive play maker such as a number 1 receiver or we need to draft a pass rusher or a cb such as patrick peterson or amukamara. The fact you even mentioned mallet makes me laugh

  
  Mallet makes YOU laugh, yet me and every GM looks at him as a 1st Round Talent. Sorry God. Also, I said if we can "TRADE DOWN" and get Mallet, meaning get more picks for more players.
  
  If we draft where we are, I always want the best available player. So what I was saying is if we do trade our pick. But if we trade down and get Mallet at a value and then have more picks, I think that's the right way to go.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  rydawg5;642068 wrote:Mallet makes YOU laugh, yet me and every GM looks at him as a 1st Round Talent. Sorry God. Also, I said if we can "TRADE DOWN" and get Mallet, meaning get more picks for more players.
  
  If we draft where we are, I always want the best available player. So what I was saying is if we do trade our pick. But if we trade down and get Mallet at a value and then have more picks, I think that's the right way to go.

  
  Drafting a qb is a dumb idea, period. Trading down to get a qb is even dumber...and me and EVERY SCOUT agrees that mallet isn't going to the browns.
• Laley23

  

  Lawlz at Cutler and Sanchez being in the list above.
• like_that

  

  rydawg5;642058 wrote:It was just my humblest of humble of opinion. I think that Mallet will make a probowl though.

  
  DA made a pro bowl too....
  
  You have been sucking Mallet's penis ever since he had 1 good half vs Alabama. Then just like DA he threw 3-4 picks. We don't need to draft another DA.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Mallet sucks [/debate].
• DaBrowns41

  rydawg5;642068 wrote:Mallet makes YOU laugh, yet me and every GM looks at him as a 1st Round Talent. Sorry God. Also, I said if we can "TRADE DOWN" and get Mallet, meaning get more picks for more players.
  
  If we draft where we are, I always want the best available player. So what I was saying is if we do trade our pick. But if we trade down and get Mallet at a value and then have more picks, I think that's the right way to go.

  Still, you want to draft a quarterback that has an arm, and throws downfield well, with huge short/intermediate accuracy issues, to play in a system on our team that runs 90% short/intermediate routes, and takes few shots down field.
  
  That's what doesn't make sense.
  
  I could understand if you wanted to draft a QB who's skillset compliments our system, but grabbing a guy who doesn't fit the scheme at all?
  
  That'd be like drafting Marcel Dareus and playing him as a 34 OLB.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  DaBrowns41;642114 wrote:Still, you want to draft a quarterback that has an arm, and throws downfield well, with huge short/intermediate accuracy issues, to play in a system on our team that runs 90% short/intermediate routes, and takes few shots down field.
  
  That's what doesn't make sense.
  
  I could understand if you wanted to draft a QB who's skillset compliments our system, but grabbing a guy who doesn't fit the scheme at all?
  
  That'd be like drafting Marcel Dareus and playing him as a 34 OLB.

  
  thank you...rydawg is just wrong
• DaBrowns41

  DeyDurkie5;642118 wrote:thank you...rydawg is just wrong

  
  Your avatar pains me.
• OQB

  

  Not to mention Mallet isn't the brightest crayon in the box....I'd put him about a step above Ted Ginn Jr. in terms of interviews. Is he a good athlete yes, does he have a cannon arm yes, is he a pro bowl QB no. Does he slip to the 2-3rd round yes.
  
  
  I would rather go 0-16 this coming season and get Andrew Luck in next year's draft than pick Mallet anywhere in this year's draft.
• SportsAndLady

  

  OrrvilleQB;642155 wrote:I'd put him about a step above Ted Ginn Jr. in terms of interviews. Is he a good athlete yes, does he have a cannon arm yes, is he a pro bowl QB no. Does he slip to the 2-3rd round yes.
  
  I would rather go 0-16 this coming season and get Andrew Luck in next year's draft than pick Mallet anywhere in this year's draft.

  
  Both of those opinions make me believe you are very, very delusional.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  OrrvilleQB;642155 wrote:I would rather go 0-16 this coming season and get Andrew Luck in next year's draft than pick Mallet anywhere in this year's draft.

  
  Speak for yourself. 0-16...wow I dont want to go through that at all.