Cleveland Cavaliers (current) off-season rumors

• BR1986FB

  thedynasty1998;405104 wrote:Like who?

  
  Stephen A. Smith.......he mumbled it right after he said Bosh & LBJ were a "lock" to hook up with Wade in South Beach. You gotta listen closely though.
• KR1245

  

  Mike Brown is the reason we didnt see much of JJ in the playoffs. Danny Ferry is one GM that thinks JJ has some potential, thats the main reason he wasnt included in a trade. Kerr was rumored to have wanted JJ in the Amare rumors so it seems like he valued his potential as well. NBA Gm's are always trading/drafting kids based on their potential. Like somebody said earlier, the kid is only 21 yrs old.
• KR1245

  

  I have seen several trade rumors that include Andy. Cavs also have the MLE that they can use.
• SportsAndLady

  

  thedynasty1998;405104 wrote:Like who?

  
  Well Phoenix obviously thinks it if they were trying to get him for AMARE STOUDEMIRE.
• SportsAndLady

  

  thedynasty1998;405106 wrote:Jamison is not a 20-10 guy anymore
  
  What are you smoking? You can't say they are trying to save money, and then say they would want Jamison who is due $12 million next year.

  
  He is a 20-10 guy, just not with Lebron James on the team. He's always been a 20-10 guy, soon as he gets with another team (next year) he will continue that. Mike Brown is a retard and tried to make him a spot up 3 point shooter...not his fault he couldn't average his career numbers doing something he's not accustomed to.
  
  Adding Jamison and subtracting Bosh saves them money.
• BR1986FB

  KR1245;405132 wrote:I have seen several trade rumors that include Andy. Cavs also have the MLE that they can use.

  
  If somehow LBJ comes back and they can get Bosh (unlikely in my eyes), I think they use that MLE on Ray Allen.
• KR1245

  

  Latest from Windy: Take it for what its worth
  
  A source close to James told The Plain Dealer Tuesday morning that James still considers the Cavs to have the edge in re-signing the two-time Most Valuable Player. This is based not only on the fact that the Cavs can pay him $30 million more than another team over the next six years, but also that it is James' home.
  
  James will host a series of meetings in the Akron area starting Thursday at 10 a.m. when the New Jersey Nets are scheduled to make the first presentation, a source said. Nets new Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov is flying to the U.S. just for the meeting before immediately flying back out. Then the New York Knicks are expected to present their case followed by a series of other suitors that could last much of Thursday and Friday.
  
  The Cavs and likely a new head coach, which the team hopes to hire in the next two days, might also meet with James. While there have been reports that the Cavs are close to hiring Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw, a team source said Tuesday morning that the Cavs have not made an offer to Shaw or other leading candidate Byron Scott.
  
  After all the meetings, according to sources, James is expected to make his decision over a period of several days. Until then, James does not plan on committing to anything.
  
  Over the last several days there have been a series of stories from newspaper and websites that have linked James to the Knicks, Bulls and Heat. Various denials then followed. Late Monday, ESPN reported that James met with fellow free agents Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade over the weekend in Miami.
  
  But sources close to James have told The Plain Dealer that James was in New York over the weekend and did not travel to Miami. It is possible that Wade, James and Bosh all spoke on the telephone about their options and plans as they hit free agency. All three are represented by the same agency.
  
  Wade and Bosh's agent, Henry Thomas, told the Miami Herald that the three did not meet in Miami
• jordo212000

  

  BR1986FB;405145 wrote:If somehow LBJ comes back and they can get Bosh (unlikely in my eyes), I think they use that MLE on Ray Allen.

  
  I keep hearing Ray Allen will be a MLE guy too. With all the money being thrown around, don't you think Allen will want upper echelon money too? Heck Joe Johnson is probably getting a max deal. I realize Allen is much older but still.
• gibby08

  

  Wow...I feel sorry for him if he resigns with Cleveland
• thedynasty1998

  

  SportsAndLady;405140 wrote:Well Phoenix obviously thinks it if they were trying to get him for AMARE STOUDEMIRE.

  
  So, because Phoenix wanted him, they think he's an All Star? No. Phoenix knew they wouldn't resign Stoudemire, so they explored the option of bringing in some talent. You are just wrong here.
  

  SportsAndLady;405143 wrote:He is a 20-10 guy....... He's always been a 20-10 guy
  
  Adding Jamison and subtracting Bosh saves them money.

  Only once in his career has he averaged 20/10. It's so easy to throw that around, but it's not true.
  
  They don't have Bosh next season. They don't have to take on that salary.
  

  KR1245;405168 wrote:Latest from Windy: Take it for what its worth
  
  A source close to James told The Plain Dealer Tuesday morning that James still considers the Cavs to have the edge in re-signing the two-time Most Valuable Player. This is based not only on the fact that the Cavs can pay him $30 million more than another team over the next six years

  
  Windhorst is losing all credibility when he talks about a 6 year deal. There is no way Lebron signs a 6 year deal, therefore the extra $30 million is irrelevant.
• SportsAndLady

  

  thedynasty1998;405184 wrote:So, because Phoenix wanted him, they think he's an All Star? No.

  
  Future all-star, yes.
• BR1986FB

  thedynasty1998;405184 wrote: Windhorst is losing all credibility when he talks about a 6 year deal. There is no way Lebron signs a 6 year deal, therefore the extra $30 million is irrelevant.

  
  How in the hell do you KNOW that Lebron won't sign a 5 or 6 year deal? With the salary cap being lowered and the uncertainty that it holds, IF he signs a max deal for the full term, he will be "grandfathered" in under the old agreement. I know he's not hurting for money but not signing a deal for the max length is going to leave a lot of FUTURE money on the table.
• jpake1

  

  I think Bosh plays a big part in this. If he likes the idea of Cleveland, I think the Cavs can get Bosh with a S&T and it secures LBJ staying. But it revolves around if Bosh would want to play in Cleveland. If Bosh wants to go elsewhere, then that takes away the Cavs #1 trade target. I think it also hurts LBJ staying. This is my stance-- LBJ wants to stay in Cleveland, he just needs to really believe they can win a ring. I think that thought is in doubt at the moment. If they can get a good player-- boom, he's staying. If they can't, I think he really looks elsewhere. It comes down to this-- LBJ is looking for reasons to stay, not leave. Leaving is the last option, and if moves don't get made, it may be the best option for him.
• Azubuike24

  

  SportsAndLady;405186 wrote:Future all-star, yes.

  I disagree. Sometimes, you face reality, and the situation was that Phoenix is going to lose Amare for nothing. Maybe it's possible Hickson was a key target they had in-mind. However, Phoenix really had no leverage in how much value they got for Amare.
• thedynasty1998

  

  BR1986FB;405194 wrote:How in the hell do you KNOW that Lebron won't sign a 5 or 6 year deal? With the salary cap being lowered and the uncertainty that it holds, IF he signs a max deal for the full term, he will be "grandfathered" in under the old agreement. I know he's not hurting for money but not signing a deal for the max length is going to leave a lot of FUTURE money on the table.

  
  He would be foolish to sign a 6 year deal in Cleveland. You know that. I know that. Lebron knows that.
• BR1986FB

  I wouldn't be so sure that he's going to sign a 3 year deal though. It's likely that he does (sign for 3 years) but from a financial perspective it would be cutting off his nose to spite his face.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Azubuike24;405214 wrote:I disagree. Sometimes, you face reality, and the situation was that Phoenix is going to lose Amare for nothing. Maybe it's possible Hickson was a key target they had in-mind. However, Phoenix really had no leverage in how much value they got for Amare.

  
  I just don't understand how you can say JJ Hickson is NOT a POTENTIAL all-star. He's 21 years old and has shown flashes of brilliance. Doesn't help playing behind Shaq, Jamison, and Varejao.
• Azubuike24

  

  I didn't say he is or isn't I'm just saying that Phoenix's mindset was likely that of just wanting to get something positive for Amare and Hickson was someone they would've considered. I personally don't think Hickson will ever be good enough offensively but who knows.
• thedynasty1998

  

  SportsAndLady;405227 wrote:I just don't understand how you can say JJ Hickson is NOT a POTENTIAL all-star. He's 21 years old and has shown flashes of brilliance. Doesn't help playing behind Shaq, Jamison, and Varejao.

  
  I never said he doesn't have some potential, I think he does have potential to be a solid NBA player. But he has shown absolutely nothing to make me believe he'll be an All Star. Plus, if he's that good, he should be able to play in front of Shaq and Varejao.
• BR1986FB

  I don't really get all of the love for Hickson myself. Seems all the dude does is dunk. Has a LONG way to go before the word "all-star" and "JJ Hickson" should be uttered in the same sentence.
• hoops23

  

  JJ developed into much more than a "dunker" during the second half run for the Cavs. He showed the ability to attack the basket WITH the ball in his hands. He also improved his jump shot over the last month of the season.
  
  JJ could no doubt turn into a 20/10 guy. He's young, still raw, and missed an entire summer of workouts due to the back injury last off season.
  
  The fact that he was getting looked at for Team USA should tell anybody all they need to know.
• hoops23

  

  thedynasty1998;405221 wrote:He would be foolish to sign a 6 year deal in Cleveland. You know that. I know that. Lebron knows that.

  
  Not exactly.
  
  IF the Cavs can get Bosh through S&T, it's likely that Bosh and LeBron would both sign the max deals to get as much money as they can and to be able to go forward in building a dynasty.
  
  a 6 year deal leaves Bosh at 32 and LBJ at 31. After that run together, they'd still be able to choose to stay or choose to pursue other options then.
  
  I think 6 years is unlikely, but not foolish.
• SportsAndLady

  

  thedynasty1998;405242 wrote:But he has shown absolutely nothing to make me believe he'll be an All Star. Plus, if he's that good, he should be able to play in front of Shaq and Varejao.

  
  Yeah and a lot of players with POTENTIAL have shown nothing to be considered a future all-star, that's why it's called potential. And he didn't play over Varejao and Shaq because Varejao was an all-NBA defender, and Shaq was a big name signee that Brown felt obligated to play. When he was out of the lineup, Hickson played very well for Cleveland...many people forget that.
• hoops23

  

  Brian Shaw close to being hired as the Cavs next coach:
  
  http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/06/brian_shaw_poised_to_be_clevel.html
  
  I like this if it does indeed finalize.
  
  Supposedly Kobe prefers Byron Scott over Shaw, but the rest of the Lakers preferred Shaw... Including Mitch Kupchak.
  
  Brings a stabilized offense to the Cavs that would actually help out Mo Williams A LOT (should we keep him)
• hoops23

  

  SportsAndLady;405263 wrote:Yeah and a lot of players with POTENTIAL have shown nothing to be considered a future all-star, that's why it's called potential. And he didn't play over Varejao and Shaq because Varejao was an all-NBA defender, and Shaq was a big name signee that Brown felt obligated to play. When he was out of the lineup, Hickson played very well for Cleveland...many people forget that.

  
  I think the Cavs were at their best with the line up of Mo/AP/LBJ/AJ/JJ with Andy as the 6th man.