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  • SportsAndLady
    And lets not forget the whole purpose of sign and trading Bosh--to save money! They aren't looking for a title-contending team next year...they are trying to dump Bosh, save money, and plan for the future....and that Cavs trade would do just that for them. A potential future all-star in Hickson and a first round pick. They dump money on the Banks contract and are relieved of the huge Bosh contract.
  • j_crazy
    just once, i'd like to see the cavs make a first round pick
  • jordo212000
    I kind of agree with dynasty. The ideal landing spot for Bosh would be the Thunder. They appear primed to be a contender for the next several years. They have a nice young team. The only problem is that they play in OKC. Bosh doesn't want to do that
  • lhslep134
    jordo212000;404964 wrote:I kind of agree with dynasty. The ideal landing spot for Bosh would be the Thunder. They appear primed to be a contender for the next several years. They have a nice young team. The only problem is that they play in OKC. Bosh doesn't want to do that

    Except that cap-wise it's impossible unless there's a sign and trade and Harden or Westbrook is involved and that ain't happening.
  • KR1245
    lhslep134;404969 wrote:Except that cap-wise it's impossible unless there's a sign and trade and Harden or Westbrook is involved and that ain't happening.

    Thunder are pretty happy with their team. They arent going to be shipping out key pieces. Cavs are desperate, there isnt a guy on that roster that is untouchable. If we were comparing the Cavs chances vs the Thunder chances it wouldnt even be close imo.
  • -Society-
    j_crazy;404959 wrote:just once, i'd like to see the cavs make a first round pick

    Really?
  • jpake1
    It isn't about what team has the assests or not, it's about what team Bosh wants to go to. The players now have the power. They'll work out a trade with whichever team he wants to play for. The Raptors havn't exactly had the Gilbert stance of I'll just let him go. If Bosh wants to go to Miami, they'll take back their 1st pick they gave Miami and maybe something else. I think they'd be crazy not to take back Beasley and their 1st. If you aren't high on Beasley, fine, then just don't pick up his option next year and rent him out for 4.9M for a year.
  • IggyPride00
    jpake1;404978 wrote:It isn't about what team has the assests or not, it's about what team Bosh wants to go to. The players now have the power. They'll work out a trade with whichever team he wants to play for. The Raptors havn't exactly had the Gilbert stance of I'll just let him go. If Bosh wants to go to Miami, they'll take back their 1st pick they gave Miami and maybe something else. I think they'd be crazy not to take back Beasley and their 1st. If you aren't high on Beasley, fine, then just don't pick up his option next year and rent him out for 4.9M for a year.

    That's like saying though Lebron could walk up to Gilbert and say I want a sign and trade with X team, so you have to. No ownership group is going to agree to a bad deal for there club just because the alternative is losing a guy outright.
  • jpake1
    There is a HUGE differen't between the Raptors FO and the Cavs. The Raptors have been talking about a S&T for MONTHS now. Colangelo has thrown out the term while in the SEASON. They know Bosh is gone, they recently just hinted at that. They may like the Cavs assests more than anybody else's, and they make give it a try. But if Bosh says I'm going to Miami whether it's on a 5 or 6 year contract, the Raptors will play ball. He isn't stayin in Toronoto for another 6 years for his extra 20+M. He won't let them force him to a team that isn't high on his list. In the end, I think Toronto would okay with getting back their 1st rounder from the Heat (If not, the protection on that ends in 4 year... how good will they be without Bosh for the next 4 years... if they somehow kept that, they might have a sweet ass pick). I think Miami will try to explore a 3 way, just to make Toronoto a bit more happy just to be safe.


    Anyways.... Wade is denying that a summit happened this weekend. He said he was in Chicago. Not sure what happened, but I imagine it's just Wade covering his ass.

    Here is this too.. take it for what it's worth-- just words.... http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-s062910,0,1501758.story
  • thedynasty1998
    SportsAndLady;404946 wrote:Dynasty,

    You don't think the Raptors would be okay with receiving Jamison, Hickson, Delonte/Williams, and a 2011 1st round draft pick and sending Bosh and Marcus Banks (dump his contract) to the Cavs in a sign and trade? I mean they are gonna lose Bosh, that is assumed. So they need to try and get the best deal for him right? What other deal would be better than this? Hickson, despite a pretty weak playoffs, is going to be a very good player; Jamison is a 20-10 guy; Mo would be their 2 or come off the bench, and then you get a first round pick. I mean that's potentially 3 starters and a 1st round pick for a guy who is about to leave you anyways?
    I don't think the Raptors are as dumb as the Cavs and wouldn't touch Jamison. I don't think the Cavs can trade their 2011 1st round pick, because you can't trade consecutive 1st rounders. So, it would come down to Mo Williams and Hickson. Sure they get something out of Bosh, but like I said, I think they can get much more elsewhere.
    KR1245;404952 wrote:The Thunder? Come on. There are maybe a handful of teams that have a legit shot at landing Bosh. OKC isnt one of them.

    I think the Thunder have as good of a shot, if not better, than the Cavs. They have more young pieces, have cap space and are an improving team. They add Bosh and they are up there with the Lakers are western conferences championship contenders.

    I said it before, I think there are probably 20 other possibilities for a S/T that are better than what the Cavs can offer. You are talking about arguably the best PF in the NBA, and the best Toronto can get is a backup PF and a PG who might end up coming off the bench. Someone has to be able to offer better than 2 bench players.
  • BR1986FB
    IggyPride00;404983 wrote:That's like saying though Lebron could walk up to Gilbert and say I want a sign and trade with X team, so you have to. No ownership group is going to agree to a bad deal for there club just because the alternative is losing a guy outright.

    There's a difference though. In the case of Lebron, Gilbert holds ALL the cards in a sign & trade. If he doesn't like what he sees in what he is getting back, I think he says "thanks for your service and best of luck...no dice" where the Bosh is in control, IMO. The Raptors KNOW he is going to walk and would like to get SOMETHING in return so if Bosh dictates his destination, the Raptors are likely going to comply. Gilbert will have the Cavs in full blown rebuild mode and doesn't need to take on the contracts of the Mark Madsen's and Gheorge Muresan's of the league just to appease Lebron.
  • jpake1
    Back to Iggy-- Gilbert is a stubborn dude. If LBJ says I've got my plane ticket to LA, Miami, Chicago, NY, or wherever... this is your last chance to at least get some picks to build this place back up-- interested? Gilbert is stubborn enough to say no and get NOTHING back for arguably the best player in the world. That may go down as the 2nd/3rd worst move in NBA history. I honestly don't think that extra 20+M will be real big for LBJ if he went to a city like Miami. I don't see him doing that extra 6 year anyways so it's a bit of a mute point. Let alone, in Miami, with the lack of taxes, he could make up a decent portion of that money throughout his career.
  • thedynasty1998
    SportsAndLady;404953 wrote:And lets not forget the whole purpose of sign and trading Bosh--to save money! They aren't looking for a title-contending team next year...they are trying to dump Bosh, save money, and plan for the future....and that Cavs trade would do just that for them. A potential future all-star in Hickson and a first round pick. They dump money on the Banks contract and are relieved of the huge Bosh contract.

    The sole purpose is not toe save money. Their salary last year was only $46 million and they just missed out on the playoffs. Toronto will always be in rebuilding mode and have to build through trades because no one wants to play in Toronto. The idea that they want to save money is just so far from the truth.

    Hickson a future all star? In what league? Have you seen the PF's in the NBA?
  • BR1986FB
    jpake1;405006 wrote: That may go down as the 2nd/3rd worst move in NBA history.

    No it won't. I think most Cavs fans would applaud him for doing so. He's (Gilbert) a villain either way. He's either the "guy who let LBJ walk for nothing" or the "guy who traded away the best player in Cavs history for a bucket of beans." If the Cavs can't get at LEAST .80 cents back on the dollar, you DON'T trade him.
  • jpake1
    I'll never get over this Hickson stuff. Cavs fans have given me some great laughs over the years, but everytime I see them call Hickson a future all-star I laugh. He may end up as one, which would be cool. But they say it as if they've seen the production to warrant it. He's done nothing. He's played with LBJ that spoon fed the kid. Hell, we've seen more production from A. Randolph, M. Speights, and M. Beasley, where is their future all-star campain at? Some of you guys sound like the horrible GM's that draft 18 year old kids that see them as the next Kobe or TMac, but turn out to be bench players in Turkey in 5 years. Don't get all excited about the potential, let the kid actually accomplish some good this on a consistant basis. But hey, do what you want. It just makes for good conversation.


    I know this has nothing to do with it, but I'm too lazy to find my offseason thread, but Yao may possible out of witht he Rockets. It seems like they don't want to give him the max, more like a 4/60M contract. That could make things interesting.
  • jpake1
    BR1986FB;405011 wrote:No it won't. I think most Cavs fans would applaud him for doing so. He's (Gilbert) a villain either way. He's either the "guy who let LBJ walk for nothing" or the "guy who traded away the best player in Cavs history for a bucket of beans." If the Cavs can't get at LEAST .80 cents back on the dollar, you DON'T trade him.

    That makes no sense AT ALL. This isn't a normal trade at all. This is a desperation move because our guy informed us we aren't in a relationship together. He won't ever be known as the guy that traded away LBJ, LBJ will be known as the guy that left Cleveland. If a team like Miami was willing to give up 2 1st rounders, why would he say no? Just to be stubborn. If he didn't want those picks, he could always trade them for assests. If LBJ wants to go elsewhere and Gilbert doesn't get anything, it'll be because he's complete butt hurt over this and will go down as the Owner that couldn't satisfy the best player in the planet. That actually sounds worse than the guy that traded away the best player in Cavs history for a bucket of beans.
  • thedynasty1998
    First off, if Gilbert can do a S/T to improve the team, you do it.

    Secondly, Lebron is only going to sign a 3 year deal, so I don't really see how the Cavs get involved in a S/T as the only way that makes sense is in a max contract.
  • SportsAndLady
    thedynasty1998;405002 wrote:I don't think the Raptors are as dumb as the Cavs and wouldn't touch Jamison. I don't think the Cavs can trade their 2011 1st round pick, because you can't trade consecutive 1st rounders. So, it would come down to Mo Williams and Hickson. Sure they get something out of Bosh, but like I said, I think they can get much more elsewhere.

    The Cavs were dumb, but for the wrong reason. They were dumb becuase he didn't put them over the top. They brought in Jamison to make them the champions, which failed. Toronto would be smart to bring in a guy like Jamison because he's a 20-10 guy who can be a solid player, with no pressure, for Toronto.
  • SportsAndLady
    thedynasty1998;405009 wrote:The sole purpose is not toe save money. Their salary last year was only $46 million and they just missed out on the playoffs. Toronto will always be in rebuilding mode and have to build through trades because no one wants to play in Toronto. The idea that they want to save money is just so far from the truth.

    Hickson a future all star? In what league? Have you seen the PF's in the NBA?

    Toronto is trying to save money. Every team not named Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, LA are trying to save money. That's what the NBA trades are all about now a days--expiring contracts to save money. What are you smoking?
  • KR1245
    2 bench players? If the Cavs ive up Mo, JJ and Andy there are pretty good chances that 2 of those guys are starting next season. Throw in Delontes expiring, which Toronto WOULD want and a couple 1st round picks and its not as bad as you think. You make it sound like the Cavs are giving them Boobie and Leon Powe.
  • SportsAndLady
    jpake1;405016 wrote:I'll never get over this Hickson stuff. Cavs fans have given me some great laughs over the years, but everytime I see them call Hickson a future all-star I laugh. He may end up as one, which would be cool. But they say it as if they've seen the production to warrant it. He's done nothing. He's played with LBJ that spoon fed the kid. Hell, we've seen more production from A. Randolph, M. Speights, and M. Beasley, where is their future all-star campain at? Some of you guys sound like the horrible GM's that draft 18 year old kids that see them as the next Kobe or TMac, but turn out to be bench players in Turkey in 5 years. Don't get all excited about the potential, let the kid actually accomplish some good this on a consistant basis. But hey, do what you want. It just makes for good conversation.

    That's not me. That's GM's who are saying he is a potential all-star..AND ITS TRUE! He's got great potential and these teams love that. I'm not saying he's going to be Amare Staudemire, but he's definitely a valuable trade asset for Cleveland.

    And you say when you hear Cavs fans call him a potential all-star you laugh..then your next sentence is "he may end up as one" well that's exactly what we are saying..he may end up as one..not "hes going to be an all star" it's "he has the potential to be an all-star PF in the league"

    He's still probably 3 years away from that status, and by then, who knows how the PF status in the NBA will be like. Yes, it's a loaded position right now...but in 3-5 years, who knows..I mean he's only 21 for christ sake
  • jpake1
    You just said it? But anyways. Carlos Arroyo may end up as a future all-star. Maybe Eddy Curry, Terrance Williams, Dexter Pittman, and Paul Millsap may end up as future all-stars. There's a chance, even if it's .1%. There is a difference between meaning it's remotely possible and the way some of the fans come off whe saying it. It's like you guys are really meaning it's probable he'll be an allstar. I have seen nothing that makes me say he's got the potential to be an all-star. He'll first have to take this step with me-- he looks like a kid that could potentially be an impact role player for a playoff and championship contending team-- something he wasn't while his team was actually in the playoffs and contending for a championship. When I see him actually be a force, I'll definitely get on that Hickson train. I just need to see it first.
  • SportsAndLady
    jpake1;405077 wrote:I have seen nothing that makes me say he's got the potential to be an all-star

    And lots of people, including NBA GM's think otherwise...so where does that leave us?
  • thedynasty1998
    SportsAndLady;405085 wrote:And lots of people, including NBA GM's think otherwise...so where does that leave us?

    Like who?
  • thedynasty1998
    SportsAndLady;405033 wrote:Jamison because he's a 20-10 guy who can be a solid player, with no pressure, for Toronto.
    Jamison is not a 20-10 guy anymore
    SportsAndLady;405035 wrote:Toronto is trying to save money..... What are you smoking?
    What are you smoking? You can't say they are trying to save money, and then say they would want Jamison who is due $12 million next year.
    KR1245;405038 wrote:2 bench players? If the Cavs ive up Mo, JJ and Andy there are pretty good chances that 2 of those guys are starting next season. Throw in Delontes expiring, which Toronto WOULD want and a couple 1st round picks and its not as bad as you think. You make it sound like the Cavs are giving them Boobie and Leon Powe.

    I didn't think the Cavs could trade next years 1st rounder and Andy wasn't mentioned in the proposed trade. The Cavs make that move and that leaves them with Boobie running the point and Powe at center. Real solid roster.