Columbus:Officer shoots 13-year old, who pulled BB Gun on them during chase

• Iliketurtles

  

  iclfan2;1811774 wrote:I'm surprised I haven't seen more on this one besides the usual BLM stuff. Maybe in the next couple of days.
  
  My question, why the hell was he walking away from police with their guns drawn? And what called that many cops and a chopper out there in the first place?

  Reports are the cops were responding to a different call when they found the victim and his car broke down in the middle of the road. I agree don't really get why a chopper was needed though unless it was also for the call. As for why he was walking away from the police... maybe they order him back to his car/told him to get his license/information? I mean every video I've seen they all start with him walking from the first police car while an officer has their gun drawn on him and then the other police car rolls up and that is the video we get. We have no idea what the first 2 responding officers said to him before the 2nd police car got there.
  
  The cop who shot him should be in jail and charged with murder. No reason to shoot that man.
• iclfan2

  

  Yea, there are definitely a few things wrong here. The article said an officer was clearing the guys car, so I doubt they told him to go get his license and registration with guns drawn. I'm interested in hearing what the heck they were doing letting him walk away from them like that. Either tackle or taze him (Why didn't she have a tazer, how stupid is that?). Regardless, I agree that the situation was handled terribly, and for that she should be held responsible. It would never be "murder" since that requires pre-meditation, but some sort of homicide charge will most likely be coming.
  
  In this day and age, with cameras everywhere, why the hell are you letting him walk away/ using lethal force without being certain? Cuff him on the ground, put him in the back of the car, and clear the vehicle. Looks like they forgot how to do any part of their job correctly on this one.
• Laley23

  

  Tough to say.
  
  From a police point of view, they want him to stop and arrest him. He keeps walking to his car...you gotta shoot. What if he opens the door and has an automatic weapon, or something?
  
  I would have to know what was said and why he kept walking away before passing judgement.
• thavoice

  Laley23;1811786 wrote:Tough to say.
  
  From a police point of view, they want him to stop and arrest him. He keeps walking to his car...you gotta shoot. What if he opens the door and has an automatic weapon, or something?
  
  I would have to know what was said and why he kept walking away before passing judgement.

  Then you shoot when he starts to pull out what looks to be a weapon out of his vehicle. . Officers already have their weapons trained on him and should be able to easily pull the trigger if that would happen.
  
  I have gone through shoot houses with pop up targets where you have to make a split second decision on to fire or not. It is tough I am not going to lie but you are not to shoot unlesss you see a weapon
• Laley23

  

  Lol. Real life threat to a pop up shooting house. Ok.
• Laley23

  

  What if he gets in the car, which I beleive was running(??), and then takes off on you and end up killing himself and others, or drives to a house where others are waiting to ambush. It's ridiculous to sit here and blame people for shooting when we don't know if the guy was cooperating or not.
• thavoice

  He didnt even get his car door opened. They should only shoot a dude if they see a weapon. The kid in columbus shooting....100% legit. This one....cmon man!
• GOONx19

  

  Laley23;1811789 wrote:What if he gets in the car, which I beleive was running(??), and then takes off on you and end up killing himself and others, or drives to a house where others are waiting to ambush. It's ridiculous to sit here and blame people for shooting when we don't know if the guy was cooperating or not.

  You can't shoot someone based on an assumption that they might do something worse in the future. That would be justification to kill any uncuffed criminal at any time!
• Laley23

  

  GOONx19;1811793 wrote:You can't shoot someone based on an assumption that they might do something worse in the future. That would be justification to kill any uncuffed criminal at any time!

  Not if they are telling him to stop, get down on ground, etc and he is just ignoring them.
• SportsAndLady

  

  GOONx19;1811793 wrote:You can't shoot someone based on an assumption that they might do something worse in the future. That would be justification to kill any uncuffed criminal at any time!

  Lol this guy wasn't just walking down the street going to work. He was in the middle of the road, not complying with police officers.
• GOONx19

  

  SportsAndLady;1811828 wrote:Lol this guy wasn't just walking down the street going to work. He was in the middle of the road, not complying with police officers.

  Failure to comply with police officers is a misdemeanor offense, for which this guy was just shot and killed. Even if he gets in that car and flees, unless it was determined he had already committed a felony, he is still guilty of only a misdemeanor offense. It would require him to fail to comply, get into the vehicle, flee, and cause harm to person or property in order to even face a felony charge. It doesn't matter if they told him to stop or get on the ground; to shoot him only because he might take off, might harm others, or might lead you into an ambush is manslaughter. It's common sense to do what a police officer says if you want things to go smoothly, but this situation only ends like this if the officer fucks up.
• iclfan2

  

  Another one shot in Charlotte. Ghetto daughters and onlookers yell he was unarmed, they "protest" etc, yet the police recover gun from scene. Both officer and criminal black. That puts a damper all over the BLM narrative.
  Wait did I say protest, I meant riot, injuring police, looting a Walmart, robbing semis on I-85, etc. the police allowing these worthless human beings to shut down major highways is insane. Mow them down with bean bags and rubber bullets and hall their worthless asses to jail.
  
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• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Laley23;1811786 wrote:Tough to say.
  
  From a police point of view, they want him to stop and arrest him. He keeps walking to his car...you gotta shoot. What if he opens the door and has an automatic weapon, or something?
  
  I would have to know what was said and why he kept walking away before passing judgement.

  That's easily the most idiotic argument I've ever heard. Congratulations on going full retard.
• SportsAndLady

  

  GOONx19;1811831 wrote:Failure to comply with police officers is a misdemeanor offense, for which this guy was just shot and killed. Even if he gets in that car and flees, unless it was determined he had already committed a felony, he is still guilty of only a misdemeanor offense. It would require him to fail to comply, get into the vehicle, flee, and cause harm to person or property in order to even face a felony charge. It doesn't matter if they told him to stop or get on the ground; to shoot him only because he might take off, might harm others, or might lead you into an ambush is manslaughter. It's common sense to do what a police officer says if you want things to go smoothly, but this situation only ends like this if the officer fucks up.

  The officer fucks up because someone is not following their orders and ends up getting shot because of it? Sorry, I'm not losing sleep over a dude standing in the middle of the road disobeying police orders as he walks towards his car and ends up getting killed. Just because it was only a misdemeanor doesn't mean he couldn't have committed a felony.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  lol shocked this thread brings the lulz.
• like_that

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1811845 wrote:lol shocked this thread brings the lulz.

  Which part(s)? I would love to see your takes since you think very highly of your opinions.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  like_that;1811846 wrote:Which part(s)? I would love to see your takes since you think very highly of your opinions.

  post 102 gave me a good chuckle for sure.
• sleeper

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1811847 wrote:post 102 gave me a good chuckle for sure.

  BLM gives me a chuckle as well.
  
  Glad to see these riots though. This is a great way to enact change evidenced by all the change that has occurred since Darren Wilson got justice.
• Gardens35

  Update: Allah has just arrived in Charlotte.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  sleeper;1811850 wrote:BLM gives me a chuckle as well.
  

  I'm sure it does.
• thavoice

  iclfan2;1811835 wrote:Another one shot in Charlotte. Ghetto daughters and onlookers yell he was unarmed, they "protest" etc, yet the police recover gun from scene. Both officer and criminal black. That puts a damper all over the BLM narrative.
  Wait did I say protest, I meant riot, injuring police, looting a Walmart, robbing semis on I-85, etc. the police allowing these worthless human beings to shut down major highways is insane. Mow them down with bean bags and rubber bullets and hall their worthless asses to jail.
  
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  Yeah, awaiting what they mean by 'gun recovered at the scene'. Was it in his car, glove box, trunk, under seat, etc and what the officer saw was his book he was reading when he got out of the car?
  
  
  They see this as another time to riot, what a bunch of fuck ups these BLM people are and just looking to be able to riot. It is quite possible he was doing what they were saying, waiting in the car reading a book and then gets out with said book.
• thavoice

  GOONx19;1811831 wrote:Failure to comply with police officers is a misdemeanor offense, for which this guy was just shot and killed. Even if he gets in that car and flees, unless it was determined he had already committed a felony, he is still guilty of only a misdemeanor offense. It would require him to fail to comply, get into the vehicle, flee, and cause harm to person or property in order to even face a felony charge. It doesn't matter if they told him to stop or get on the ground; to shoot him only because he might take off, might harm others, or might lead you into an ambush is manslaughter. It's common sense to do what a police officer says if you want things to go smoothly, but this situation only ends like this if the officer fucks up.

  I concur. Plus, this guy was standing with his hands up and against the car. Some female got her panties all in a bunch and got trigger happy.
• queencitybuckeye

  sleeper;1811850 wrote:BLM gives me a chuckle as well.
  
  Glad to see these riots though. This is a great way to enact change evidenced by all the change that has occurred since Darren Wilson got justice.

  I'm not sure why people with causes think that pretending every situation is an example of what they're fighting against helps their cause, regardless of facts. Portraying Michael Brown as a hero or martyr when he was nothing but a lowlife who tried to steal a cop's gun destroys any credibility they have over a legitimate concern. He played stupid games and won stupid prizes.
• sleeper

  

  queencitybuckeye;1811862 wrote:I'm not sure why people with causes think that pretending every situation is an example of what they're fighting against helps their cause, regardless of facts. Portraying Michael Brown as a hero or martyr when he was nothing but a lowlife who tried to steal a cop's gun destroys any credibility they have over a legitimate concern. He played stupid games and won stupid prizes.

  That part is very frustrating. BLM would make huge steps towards credibility if they would just admit that justice was served in MB's shooting.
  
  The other frustrating part is the timing of the riots. The guy was just shot and already riots have taken place? The police haven't even had a chance to investigate and determine the facts and we are already saying its the cops fault and the "victim" din do nuttin.
• Heretic

  

  Laley23;1811796 wrote:Not if they are telling him to stop, get down on ground, etc and he is just ignoring them.

  Uh, there are ways to non-lethally incapacitate a person, you know? In fact, from reading about this particular incident, it seems another cop on the scene used one of them (stun gun) around the same time the other one shot him. There's a bit of a difference between "He's making a move!!!!" and "He's not listening and might, in the future, make a move, even though his hands are above his head at the moment..." as far as deciding to use lethal force goes.
  
  The most annoying thing about all of these incidents is how so many people immediately go to pure absolutes in a "one size fits all" logic-fail. The BLM types acting like any incident where a cop shoots a person of color is worth being outraged over is stupid. People acting like cops are justified in everything they do -- even if it's murdering a dude because he wasn't complying with orders in a non-aggressive manner is equally stupid.